# Trump speech live 01/08/2019: follow-along thread. **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 9, 2019, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439 "2019-01-09T01:21:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![steronz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steronz/32/11765_2.png) [@steronz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steronz)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/261 "2019-01-11T17:52:49Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > What’s your concern on this point? That the Dems will give him the money and President Trump will just burn it lighting cigars or something? You don’t think it will actually go towards building new fencing? You’ve already admitted that you don’t care if they light it on fire because $5.7B is such a small amount of money in the grand scheme of things. So why should anyone bother answering you? (Sorry, you admitted that you don’t care if they use this money to build useless barrier in useless places). ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/262 "2019-01-11T17:56:03Z")
I don’t care if you “answer” or not. I wasn’t asking you a question, I was pointing out a factually false claim. I’ve done that to my satisfaction, and I don’t require an “answer” on the matter. ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/263 "2019-01-11T17:56:24Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Me too 🙂 I know, right? You wouldn’t want to, you know, have empathy for your fellow humans, right? ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/264 "2019-01-11T17:57:37Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > I don’t care if you “answer” or not. I wasn’t asking you a question, I was pointing out a factually false claim. I’ve done that to my satisfaction, and I don’t require an “answer” on the matter. Okay, but you’re wrong. ---
**Author:** ![steronz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steronz/32/11765_2.png) [@steronz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steronz)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/265 "2019-01-11T17:58:35Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > I don’t care if you “answer” or not. I wasn’t asking you a question, I was pointing out a factually false claim. I’ve done that to my satisfaction, and I don’t require an “answer” on the matter. Yes, you “proved” that the money probably won’t go towards a literal $5.7B backscratcher. What a valuable contribution to the site. I’m sure many lurkers were confused as to why Trump had such an itchy back, but you really cleared that up for them. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/266 "2019-01-11T17:59:24Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > I don’t care if you “answer” or not. I wasn’t asking you a question, I was pointing out a factually false claim. I’ve done that to my satisfaction, and I don’t require an “answer” on the matter. LOL, you quoted people incapable of telling the truth, and called it “proof”. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/267 "2019-01-11T18:03:25Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > Okay, but you’re wrong. See post #265. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/268 "2019-01-11T18:20:22Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > I don’t care if you “answer” or not. I wasn’t asking you a question, I was pointing out a factually false claim. I’ve done that to my satisfaction, and I don’t require an “answer” on the matter. Yeah, reasoning doesn’t work that way. Your own satisfaction is no standard by which to judge whether something’s true or not. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/269 "2019-01-11T18:22:27Z")
Fox affiliate editor [fired for altered video](https://start.att.net/news/read/article/newser-bizarre_clip_of_trump_in_oval_office_gets_editor_f-rnewsernor/category/news) of Trump’s speech. > [@](#): > > An editor from Q13 has now been fired for what [MyNorthwest.com](http://MyNorthwest.com) calls [a “bizarre and unbalanced” clip](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZLs11uSg-A&feature=youtu.be) of the president that was apparently altered. I agree it’s been altered, he looks way too normal. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/270 "2019-01-11T18:28:49Z")
> [@steronz](#): > > I see that HurricaneDitka is peddling his unique form of gaslighting in a new thread now. This isn’t an appropriate place to take shots at another poster. Cease doing so. > [@CaptMurdock](#): > > No, for starters, STOP. > > STOP. > > All you are doing is embarrassing yourself and wasting our time. Your arguments have been shown to be completely horse hockey time and again, and you _keep making the same arguments over and over._ > > :smack: Do not threadshit. [/moderating] ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/271 "2019-01-11T18:33:17Z")
> [@The\_Tooth](#): > > Yeah, reasoning doesn’t work that way. Your own satisfaction is no standard by which to judge whether something’s true or not. What do you think? You still don’t know if the $5.7B is for “construction of a steel barrier on the Southern Border to fund 234 miles of new physical barrier” or if it might be for an Oval Office backscratcher? You think “What is that $5.7Billion actually for?” is still a serious question at this point? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/272 "2019-01-11T18:36:49Z")
> [@](#): > > …Over the last several years, I have met with dozens of families whose loved ones were stolen by illegal immigration. I’ve held the hands of the weeping mothers and embraced the grief-stricken fathers. So sad. So terrible… By stealth? Don’t recall the events, so there was no publicity, he met with them dozens of times in secret? Maybe he met with dozens of such families one time? Threw them some paper towels? Did the liberal media suppress these events? Know what? I think this is a big fat lie. I await rebuttal “with the calm confidence of a Methodist with four aces”. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/273 "2019-01-11T18:52:08Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > What do you think? You still don’t know if the $5.7B is for “construction of a steel barrier on the Southern Border to fund 234 miles of new physical barrier” or if it might be for an Oval Office backscratcher? You think “What is that $5.7Billion actually for?” is still a serious question at this point? I think there’s no plan. There are statements, promises, and wishes, but no plan. “I’m gonna build a wall thats 234 miles long” is not a plan any more than “I want a really nice house” is a blueprint. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/274 "2019-01-11T19:16:03Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > We don’t need an engineering schematic to know that it’s not for a backscratcher. Well, _somebody_ needs an engineering schematic to know whether it will be an effective barrier, or whether it’s a POS. Is there one? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/275 "2019-01-11T19:19:25Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > Well, _somebody_ needs an engineering schematic to know whether it will be an effective barrier, or whether it’s a POS. > > Is there one? Of course there is. Believe me. No one knows more about engineering schematics than Trump! ---
**Author:** ![Bijou\_Drains](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bijou_drains/32/2814_2.png) [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/276 "2019-01-11T19:33:13Z")
Lindsey Graham wants Trump to do the same kind of thing he said Obama should not do. [Trump's National Emergency Is an American Obscenity](http://reason.com/blog/2019/01/11/trumps-national-emergency-is-an-american) Pretty much par for the course in DC. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/277 "2019-01-11T19:45:49Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > What do you think? You still don’t know if the $5.7B is for “construction of a steel barrier on the Southern Border to fund 234 miles of new physical barrier” or if it might be for an Oval Office backscratcher? You think “What is that $5.7Billion actually for?” is still a serious question at this point? I mean, it’s always been perfectly obvious what it’s for - “so Trump can get a fight”. If you trust Trump, you will obviously come up with the wrong answer, but that’s fine, we’ll keep reminding you that you’re wrong. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/278 "2019-01-11T19:51:14Z")
So, the President is: 1. Proposing an out-of-nowhere emergency declaration, as to… 2. Seize private lands via the… 3. Military This is exactly what they told themselves for 8 years Obama would do. Hell, even the idiotic Governor of Texas [fell for this shit](https://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/05/02/403865824/texas-governor-deploys-state-guard-to-stave-off-obama-takeover). ---
**Author:** ![Bookkeeper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bookkeeper/32/281_2.png) [@Bookkeeper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bookkeeper)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/279 "2019-01-11T20:36:07Z")
> [@DesertDog](#): > > Besides, once you’ve paid the Danegeld, you’re never rid of the Dane. Surely you mean “Duncegeld”? ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/280 "2019-01-11T20:40:09Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > So, the President is: > > 1. Proposing an out-of-nowhere emergency declaration, as to… > 2. Seize private lands via the… > 3. Military > > This is exactly what they told themselves for 8 years Obama would do. Hell, even the idiotic Governor of Texas [fell for this shit](https://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/05/02/403865824/texas-governor-deploys-state-guard-to-stave-off-obama-takeover). Not to mention, it’s total banana-republic stuff. We used to be half kidding when we referred to those in a certain party as Banana Republicans. Now that’s what they are, end of story. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439.md?page=13) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439.md?page=15)