# Trump speech live 01/08/2019: follow-along thread. **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 9, 2019, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439 "2019-01-09T01:21:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/281 "2019-01-11T20:54:14Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > What’s your concern on this point? That the Dems will give him the money and President Trump will just burn it lighting cigars or something? You don’t think it will actually go towards building new fencing? Well, sure it will go towards a Wall. A useless wall that only Trump wants, and he wants it for one thing only- to inflame his racist supporters. Note that the DHS asked for $292 million, and got it. They didnt ask for FIFTEEN times that. If they wanted another 100 mill or so, there wouldnt be a issue. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/282 "2019-01-11T21:08:52Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Well, sure it will go towards a Wall. … I’m delighted to see that it’s not a mystery to _all_ liberals. > [@DrDeth](#): > > … Note that the DHS asked for $292 million, and got it. They didnt ask for FIFTEEN times that. If they wanted another 100 mill or so, there wouldnt be a issue. Did you note that that was for FY 2017? Where does the “issue” come into play in your mind? $1.6B is OK? What about $2B? Is $4B just way over the top? ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/283 "2019-01-11T21:21:07Z")
$1 is too much. Especially given the $1.5 trillion of tax-giveaways to the billionaires you guys did a year ago. As I asked, why couldn’t your team be bothered to deduct this money from the tax scam and give Zuckerburg, Buffet, et all $1.495 trillion? ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/284 "2019-01-11T21:31:57Z")
The bottom line is Dems cannot capitulate on this whether it is $5 or $5 billion. Trump is acting like a terrorist (using intimidation against civilians in the pursuit of political aims) and there is a firm policy against negotiating with terrorists. There is a reason for that. If they give Trump his money he will learn all he ever needs to do is shut down the government and wait till he gets what he wants. Not gonna happen. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/285 "2019-01-11T21:34:31Z")
Hey, looks like I got away with it, calling Il Douche a big fat liar over those “dozens of families” he is supposed to have met and hugged. Figured ol’ **HD** was gonna slap me down _hard_ with the links and the photos and all that good stuff! Whew! What a relief! ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/286 "2019-01-11T21:44:10Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > The bottom line is Dems cannot capitulate on this whether it is $5 or $5 billion. > > Trump is acting like a terrorist (using intimidation against civilians in the pursuit of political aims) and there is a firm policy against negotiating with terrorists. There is a reason for that. If they give Trump his money he will learn all he ever needs to do is shut down the government and wait till he gets what he wants. > > Not gonna happen. Both Ravenman and DrDeth appear to support at least $100M. Chuck has already agreed to $1.6B. In fact … > [@The five billion dollar wall](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-five-billion-dollar-wall/826495/310): > > And yet, that $1.6 billion got a lot of Democratic votes. … > [@The five billion dollar wall](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-five-billion-dollar-wall/826495/313): > > … But the fact that Democrats have already agreed to $1.6B for wall suggests to me that they’re not opposed to it. I’m 100% convinced that, absent Trump’s current tantrum, congress would go back to the negotiating table come up with a bipartisan plan that included \ the $1.6B for new barrier construction that DHS requested. … If you’re part of the Pelosi-style “not $1” crowd, you might want to brace yourself for some disappointment from your friends. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/287 "2019-01-11T21:49:12Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > If you’re part of the Pelosi-style “not $1” crowd, you might want to brace yourself for some disappointment from your friends. Nah, it the Republicans and friends the ones that get the disappointment. > **[Trump rejects shutdown deal Republicans negotiated with Republicans](https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/trump-rejects-shutdown-deal-republicans-negotiated-republicans-msna1182701)** > > Yesterday offered a strange dynamic: Republicans negotiated a deal with other Republicans, only to be shot down by a Republican president. > [@](#): > > Trump rejects shutdown deal Republicans negotiated with Republicans > [@](#): > > What we’re left with is a dynamic in which Republicans negotiated a deal with other Republicans, only to be shot down by a Republican president. > > Not surprisingly, Graham announced soon after he’d given up on trying to find a resolution to the shutdown. > > It was around this time that Vice President Pence summarized the administration’s position: “No wall, no deal.” > > Remember when White House counselor Kellyanne Conway said, “Always saying ‘wall’ or ‘no wall’ is being very disingenuous”? That was 12 days ago. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/288 "2019-01-11T21:59:25Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Both Ravenman and DrDeth appear to support at least $100M. Chuck has already agreed to $1.6B. In fact … > > If you’re part of the Pelosi-style “not $1” crowd, you might want to brace yourself for some disappointment from your friends. Man, is there a single point you’ve made this thread that wasn’t just completely and utterly wrong? Like, I’m almost impressed. How do you get to be this wrong? Everything you just said - wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong. It’s really incredible! ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/289 "2019-01-11T22:03:19Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > Man, is there a single point you’ve made this thread that wasn’t just completely and utterly wrong? Like, I’m almost impressed. How do you get to be this wrong? Everything you just said - wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong. It’s really incredible! With juvenile fact-free responses like this, I think I’m doing ok. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/290 "2019-01-11T22:19:45Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > With juvenile fact-free responses like this, I think I’m doing ok. 😉 That would depend on what your goal is, I suppose. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/291 "2019-01-11T22:22:11Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > That would depend on what your goal is, I suppose. My goal is to present the other side of the debate in a forum that often lacks diverse perspectives. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/292 "2019-01-11T22:24:39Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > My goal is to present the other side of the debate in a forum that often lacks diverse perspectives. Then no, you aren’t doing very good at all. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/293 "2019-01-11T22:26:40Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Then no, you aren’t doing very good at all. _shrug_ it should come as no great surprise to you that I’m not doing it for your approval, or BPC’s. ---
**Author:** ![Wolf333](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolf333/32/3460_2.png) [@Wolf333](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wolf333)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/294 "2019-01-11T22:28:05Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > _shrug_ it should come as no great surprise to you that I’m not doing it for your approval, or BPC’s. I don’t think Trump reads The Dope. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/295 "2019-01-11T22:28:40Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > _shrug_ it should come as no great surprise to you that I’m not doing it for your approval, or BPC’s. And whose approval _are_ you seeking, pray tell? ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/296 "2019-01-11T23:01:28Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Both Ravenman and DrDeth appear to support at least $100M. Chuck has already agreed to $1.6B. In fact … > > If you’re part of the Pelosi-style “not $1” crowd, you might want to brace yourself for some disappointment from your friends. It may surprise you that people on the left of the political spectrum don’t always agree on everything (unlike conservatives who line up like lemmings to parrot whatever talking point was recently fed to them). ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/297 "2019-01-11T23:16:57Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > My goal is to present the other side of the debate in a forum that often lacks diverse perspectives. So it is your position that the other side of the debate that is lacking from this forum is wrong wrong wrong? ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/298 "2019-01-11T23:18:52Z")
> [@snfaulkner](#): > > So it is your position that the other side of the debate that is lacking from this forum is wrong wrong wrong? It’s my position that the evidence in favor of Bone’s “so” rule is piling up like [cars on an icy highway](https://youtu.be/W9fI5M6_XVk). ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/299 "2019-01-11T23:54:40Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > It’s my position that the evidence in favor of Bone’s “so” rule is piling up like [cars on an icy highway](https://youtu.be/W9fI5M6_XVk). Yep, it is a wreck alright. But as pointed before, that it attracts more viewers does not means that a point is more accurate. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2019, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/300 "2019-01-12T00:34:56Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > It’s my position that the evidence in favor of Bone’s “so” rule is piling up like [cars on an icy highway](https://youtu.be/W9fI5M6_XVk). So you’re saying you’re bad at making clear what your point is? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439.md?page=14) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439.md?page=16)