# Trump speech live 01/08/2019: follow-along thread. **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 9, 2019, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439 "2019-01-09T01:21:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/21 "2019-01-09T02:16:39Z")
Another check from the NY Times: > [@](#): > > ``` > “The wall will also be paid for, indirectly by the great new trade deal we have made with Mexico.” > > ``` > > **False.** > > First, the revised North American Free Trade Agreement, known as the United States-Canada-Mexico-Agreement, has yet to pass in Congress. Any economic benefits from the agreement, if it passes, will likely come in the form of lower tariffs for American companies or higher wages for American workers. > > This is different than Mr. Trump’s campaign promise that Mexico would finance the wall. > > —Alan Rappeport ---
**Author:** ![Dacien](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dacien/32/5663_2.png) [@Dacien](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dacien)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/22 "2019-01-09T02:16:54Z")
> [@Beckdawrek](#): > > Well, crap. I was expecting him to show a giant check from Mexico to pay for the wall. I imagine Trump was dreaming last night of Obrador coming on-screen with a jumbo check straight out of Publisher’s Clearing House. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/23 "2019-01-09T02:19:54Z")
> [@Beckdawrek](#): > > Well, crap. I was expecting him to show a giant check from Mexico to pay for the wall. In pesos. ---
**Author:** ![Kelby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/a587f6/32.png) [@Kelby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kelby)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/24 "2019-01-09T02:20:03Z")
Mercifully short, thank God. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/25 "2019-01-09T02:20:59Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > At least he didn’t declare a National Thing or whatever it’s called. There’s that. That comes on Friday. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/26 "2019-01-09T02:21:02Z")
> [@Beckdawrek](#): > > Well, crap. I was expecting him to show a giant check from Mexico to pay for the wall. Did you see the rebuttal? Pelosi and Schumer both taunted him about Mexico (not) paying. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/27 "2019-01-09T02:45:18Z")
What’s up with this bizarre claim he pulled out of his ass (maybe the smell is why he’s sniffing so much) that the Democrats asked him to change the design from concrete to steel? ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/28 "2019-01-09T02:48:18Z")
> [@Steve\_MB](#): > > What’s up with this bizarre claim he pulled out of his ass (maybe the smell is why he’s sniffing so much) that the Democrats asked him to change the design from concrete to steel? IKR, where in hell did that come from? Maybe previous presidents told him that, too. ---
**Author:** ![jshore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b5e925/32.png) [@jshore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jshore)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/29 "2019-01-09T02:54:34Z")
I just got a news alert from the New York Times that said “President Trump’s address on border security was at times misleading”. I suppose they used the “at times” qualifier because it was only misleading during those times his mouth was actually open? ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/30 "2019-01-09T02:56:03Z")
> [@Beckdawrek](#): > > IKR, where in hell did that come ftom? Maybe previous presidents told him that, too. The previous presidents hanging on the walls, maybe. Anyhoo, a few highlights from [the Washington Post fact check](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/live-updates/trump-white-house/live-fact-checking-and-analysis-of-president-trumps-immigration-speech): > [@](#): > > “The wall will also be paid for indirectly by the great new trade deal we have made with Mexico.” > > [This is a Four-Pinocchio claim.](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/01/08/president-trumps-desperate-nonsensical-claim-that-mexico-is-paying-wall) (Actually, it’s two claims at that mendacity level: the four-Pinocchio (which I think now qualifies as a Bottomless Pinocchio now that the Post found it necessary to expand the scale for Trump) that Mexico was paying for the wall and the (dunno if formally rated) claim that NAFTA Version 1.001a is a “new trade deal” in any meaningful sense.) > [@](#): > > “Every week, 300 of our citizens are killed by heroin alone, 90% of which floods across from our southern border.” > > But while 90 percent of the heroin sold in the United States comes from Mexico, virtually all of it comes through legal points of entry… Trump’s repeated claim that the wall would stop drug trafficking is another [Bottomless Pinocchio claim.](https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/fact-checker-most-repeated-disinformation) > [@](#): > > There is no new crisis at the border > > Apprehensions of people trying to cross the southern border peaked most recently at 1.6 million in 2000 and have been in decline since, partly because of technology upgrades, tougher penalties post-9/11, a decline in migration rates from Mexico and a sharp rise in the number of Border Patrol officers… ---
**Author:** ![ZipperJJ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zipperjj/32/211_2.png) [@ZipperJJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZipperJJ)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/31 "2019-01-09T03:02:02Z")
I’m fucking livid about this “imagine if it were your child” shit (in regards to people being killed by illegal immigrants). Fucking livid. “Congress must act”. What about the hundreds of American children who are killed by Americans with guns? Who was calling for Congress to act on that? Also the whole “drugs coming over the border are killing Americans.” So the answer is a wall. But guns in America killing Americans? “Criminals will get guns anyway.” Fuck all of this. Suck fucking twisted “morality.” ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/32 "2019-01-09T03:14:54Z")
[Fact-checking even on Fox News…](https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-gets-instant-fact-check-from-fox-news-shepard-smith-after-oval-office-speech) ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/33 "2019-01-09T03:20:54Z")
> [@Steve\_MB](#): > > [Fact-checking even on Fox News…](https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-gets-instant-fact-check-from-fox-news-shepard-smith-after-oval-office-speech) My god. Finally, even on Fox “News,” someone said the emperor has no clothes. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/34 "2019-01-09T03:21:46Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > My god. Finally, even on Fox “News,” someone said the emperor has no clothes. Not only that, he’s hung like a hamster. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/35 "2019-01-09T03:22:56Z")
Twitter thread about his head being green-screened into the Oval Office. [https://twitter.com/MaxKennerly/status/1082820646424453125?s=19](https://twitter.com/MaxKennerly/status/1082820646424453125?s=19) ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/36 "2019-01-09T03:23:51Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > Not only that, he’s hung like a hamster. That’s the tiniest toadstool I’ve ever seen!! ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/37 "2019-01-09T03:38:11Z")
I guess it must have been a pretty decent speech if the criticism has already regressed to complaints about his genitals. ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/38 "2019-01-09T03:42:36Z")
No, we first have to talk about his hair. Who pouffed that mess up tonight. I was laughing audibly. I cannot take the man seriously. I swear to God if he came on tv and said giant aliens had landed on the Whitehouse lawn I’d be laughing so hard I would miss it. Hes a joke. ---
**Author:** ![Grrr](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grrr/32/146_2.png) [@Grrr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grrr)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/39 "2019-01-09T03:46:24Z")
> [@ZipperJJ](#): > > I’m fucking livid about this “imagine if it were your child” shit (in regards to people being killed by illegal immigrants). Fucking livid. “Congress must act”. What about the hundreds of American children who are killed by Americans with guns? Who was calling for Congress to act on that? > > Also the whole “drugs coming over the border are killing Americans.” So the answer is a wall. But guns in America killing Americans? “Criminals will get guns anyway.” > > Fuck all of this. Suck fucking twisted “morality.” This is a meme worthy post right here. Well said. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 3:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/40 "2019-01-09T03:48:23Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > I guess it must have been a pretty decent speech if the criticism has already regressed to complaints about his genitals. Whad’ja think of the rebuttal? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439.md?page=3)