# Trump speech live 01/08/2019: follow-along thread. **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 9, 2019, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439 "2019-01-09T01:21:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/41 "2019-01-09T03:49:37Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > I guess it must have been a pretty decent speech if the criticism has already regressed to complaints about his genitals. Didja send your five dollars yet? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/42 "2019-01-09T03:50:05Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > I guess it must have been a pretty decent speech if the criticism has already regressed to complaints about his genitals. We’ve already discussed his shortcomings. You must have ignored it. And it’s not complaints. It’s mockery. ---
**Author:** ![Grrr](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grrr/32/146_2.png) [@Grrr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grrr)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/43 "2019-01-09T03:51:23Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > I guess it must have been a pretty decent speech if the criticism has already regressed to complaints about his genitals. Do you feel the need to debate with Flat Earthers? It’s kind of like that. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/44 "2019-01-09T03:53:44Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > I guess it must have been a pretty decent speech if the criticism has already regressed to complaints about his genitals. And, as usual, your guess would be wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/45 "2019-01-09T03:58:13Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > I guess it must have been a pretty decent speech if the criticism has already regressed to complaints about his genitals. I’d say this subthread of commentary is about 30% serious, 70% mock. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 4:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/46 "2019-01-09T04:00:10Z")
That was some low-energy shit. What the fuck - all this sturm and drang culminating in Mr Sniffles whining for 10 minutes about border security and claiming, bizarrely, that the Dems negotiated him into steel slats? That’s it? Why are we talking about his genitals, HD? Because his speech was a big nothing. Didn’t help his cause, hurt it even by his lack of enthusiasm for the subject and the blundering way in which we got here. ---
**Author:** ![Dacien](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dacien/32/5663_2.png) [@Dacien](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dacien)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 4:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/47 "2019-01-09T04:04:52Z")
> [@ZipperJJ](#): > > I’m fucking livid about this “imagine if it were your child” shit (in regards to people being killed by illegal immigrants). Fucking livid. “Congress must act”. What about the hundreds of American children who are killed by Americans with guns? Who was calling for Congress to act on that? > > Also the whole “drugs coming over the border are killing Americans.” So the answer is a wall. **But guns in America killing Americans? “Criminals will get guns anyway.”** > > Fuck all of this. Suck fucking twisted “morality.” The fact that it’s a Constitutionally-protected right makes it a bit different than immigration policy. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/48 "2019-01-09T04:09:02Z")
Trump apparently made off-the-record comments to some news folks that he really didn’t want to make this speech, and really doesn’t want to go visit the border, but is only doing it because his advisers have told him it’s a good idea. From a NYT article this evening: > [@](#): > > Yet privately, Mr. Trump dismissed his own new strategy as pointless. In an off-the-record lunch with television anchors hours before the address, he made clear in blunt terms that he was not inclined to give the speech or go to Texas, but was talked into it by advisers, according to two people briefed on the discussion who asked not to be identified sharing details. > > “It’s not going to change a damn thing, but I’m still doing it,” Mr. Trump said of the border visit, according to one of the people, who was in the room. The trip was just a photo opportunity, he said. “But,” he added, gesturing at his communications aides, Bill Shine, Sarah Huckabee Sanders and Kellyanne Conway, “these people behind you say it’s worth it.” ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/49 "2019-01-09T04:09:27Z")
> [@Dacien](#): > > The fact that it’s a Constitutionally-protected right makes it a bit different than immigration policy. Oh don’t worry, the next Democratic president will be certain to declare a national emergency before he takes all the guns. It will be all nice and legal. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/50 "2019-01-09T04:11:44Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > That was some low-energy shit. What the fuck - all this sturm and drang culminating in Mr Sniffles whining for 10 minutes about border security and claiming, bizarrely, that the Dems negotiated him into steel slats? That’s it? > > \ On the bright side, the networks won’t fall for it again. He took his big shot, wasted their (and our) time, interrupted regularly-scheduled programming and accomplished nothing. It was such an obvious abuse of his office he should be ashamed down to his tiny tadger. He won’t be, of course. But he should. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/51 "2019-01-09T04:13:37Z")
> [@Steve\_MB](#): > > What’s up with this bizarre claim he pulled out of his ass (maybe the smell is why he’s sniffing so much) that the Democrats asked him to change the design from concrete to steel? a few weeks ago Trump removed sanctions on a steel producer owned mostly by a Russian oligarch. Around that time he decided that the wall would be made of steel slats rather than concrete. One of those 400 coincidences where his policy changes are in line with Russian interests purely by chance I’m sure. [Pictured here](https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1076239448461987841?lang=en) I like that they highlighted and zoomed in on the spikes, just to make sure everyone knew it was hurty enough. I like to imagine drug smugglers coming to the border and slipping packages of heroin through the slats to their compatriots on the other side. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/52 "2019-01-09T04:18:50Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > Not only that, he’s hung like a hamster. Hamsters have HUGE testicles in comparison to their body size. Fact check! ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/53 "2019-01-09T04:19:11Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > a few weeks ago Trump removed sanctions on a steel producer owned mostly by a Russian oligarch. Around that time he decided that the wall would be made of steel slats rather than concrete. One of those 400 coincidences where his policy changes are in line with Russian interests purely by chance I’m sure. > > [Pictured here](https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1076239448461987841?lang=en) > > I like that they highlighted and zoomed in on the spikes, just to make sure everyone knew it was hurty enough. > > I like to imagine drug smugglers coming to the border and slipping packages of heroin through the slats to their compatriots on the other side. Each slat will be on a pivot and will have a sensor and a motor. Anyone approaches too close, the slats will swing shut like a Venetian blind. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![UltraVires](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ecccb3/32.png) [@UltraVires](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UltraVires)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 4:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/54 "2019-01-09T04:20:28Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > What are the comparable stats for American citizens in the same time period? Why does it matter? These people are not supposed to be here. Those numbers should be zero. Those numbers represent American victims of crime that would otherwise be safe from crime if the borders were secure. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 4:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/55 "2019-01-09T04:20:35Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > My god. Finally, even on Fox “News,” someone said the emperor has no clothes. Pfffft. It’s Shep Smith, their token sane person. No true Foxite will pay any attention to him. ---
**Author:** ![penultima\_thule](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/penultima_thule/32/3833_2.png) [@penultima\_thule](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/penultima_thule)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 4:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/56 "2019-01-09T04:22:19Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > I like to imagine drug smugglers coming to the border and slipping packages of heroin through the slats to their compatriots on the other side. They could improve the functionality and aesthetics of the barrier by having colour coded mail slots built in to ensure the transaction was secure. Wouldn’t want the packages to fall into the hands of the wrong distribution channel. ---
**Author:** ![UltraVires](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ecccb3/32.png) [@UltraVires](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UltraVires)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 4:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/57 "2019-01-09T04:25:22Z")
> [@ZipperJJ](#): > > I’m fucking livid about this “imagine if it were your child” shit (in regards to people being killed by illegal immigrants). Fucking livid. “Congress must act”. What about the hundreds of American children who are killed by Americans with guns? Who was calling for Congress to act on that? > > Also the whole “drugs coming over the border are killing Americans.” So the answer is a wall. But guns in America killing Americans? “Criminals will get guns anyway.” > > Fuck all of this. Suck fucking twisted “morality.” You’ll be pleased to know that killing someone with a gun (or otherwise) is illegal in every state and those laws are enforced. Illegal immigration is illegal, yet is not being enforced because of sanctuary cities and the lack of border security, so we need to address that. But seriously, though, WTF do gun control arguments have to do with the immigration debate? ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 4:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/58 "2019-01-09T04:25:23Z")
Luckily, my wife and I continued watching our binge of _E.R._ on Hulu. It was the season 4 finale tonight! Really good stuff, although arguably the weakest finale of all the seasons thus far. At 9:03, I asked my wife if we should cut over to a live feed of Orangeanus, and she said “There’s a methadone-addicted baby’s life on the line here, and Doug Ross’ career may be too. The answer is no.” ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 4:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/59 "2019-01-09T04:29:54Z")
> [@UltraVires](#): > > Illegal immigration is illegal, yet is not being enforced because of sanctuary cities and the lack of border security, so we need to address that. Sanctuary cities do not stop ICE from coming in and deporting a illegal, what they do is say that the local Police won’t assist ICE unless that person is a felon. Which I find completely reasonable. Illegal immigration is a very low level crime, and virtually nothing should be spent on arresting people already in- as long as violent crimes continue to plague this nation. > **[Immigration 101: What is a Sanctuary City? - America's Voice](https://americasvoice.org/blog/what-is-a-sanctuary-city/)** > > What is a sanctuary city? We answer with an example that explains what immigration detainers are and why we should call them "constitutional cities". ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/60 "2019-01-09T04:30:43Z")
> [@EddyTeddyFreddy](#): > > Pfffft. It’s Shep Smith, their token sane person. No true Foxite will pay any attention to him. I wonder why they continue to employ him? I mean, throw off those shackles of truth and go full-on [Glavlit](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Directorate_for_the_Protection_of_State_Secrets_in_the_Press)! (Wiki) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439.md?page=4)