# Trump speech live 01/08/2019: follow-along thread. **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 9, 2019, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439 "2019-01-09T01:21:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/61 "2019-01-09T04:30:57Z")
> [@UltraVires](#): > > Why does it matter? These people are not supposed to be here. Those numbers should be zero. Those numbers represent American victims of crime that would otherwise be safe from crime if the borders were secure. Then I’m sure you would support mandatory jail time for those who supply the jobs they’re coming for, right? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 4:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/62 "2019-01-09T04:33:26Z")
> [@UltraVires](#): > > Why does it matter? These people are not supposed to be here. Those numbers should be zero. Those numbers represent American victims of crime that would otherwise be safe from crime if the borders were secure. No, they wouldn’t be safe from crime. Most criminals aren’t illegal immigrants, so the Americans you’re clutching pearls over would have pretty much the same chance of encountering a criminal. Weird you’re not worried about smallpox and leprosy. Trump said foreigners carry those diseases after all, and would he lie? ---
**Author:** ![UltraVires](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ecccb3/32.png) [@UltraVires](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UltraVires)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/63 "2019-01-09T04:35:21Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Sanctuary cities do not stop ICE from coming in and deporting a illegal, what they do is say that the local Police won’t assist ICE unless that person is a felon. > > Which I find completely reasonable. Illegal immigration is a very low level crime, and virtually nothing should be spent on arresting people already in- as long as violent crimes continue to plague this nation. > [Immigration 101: What is a Sanctuary City? - America's Voice](https://americasvoice.org/blog/what-is-a-sanctuary-city/) This “low level crime” costs taxpayers billions of dollars each year. It allows widespread disrespect for the law and causes additional crimes, but, hey, it gives Democrats a bunch of extra votes, so I guess it is worth it. ---
**Author:** ![ZipperJJ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zipperjj/32/211_2.png) [@ZipperJJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZipperJJ)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/64 "2019-01-09T04:35:32Z")
> [@Dacien](#): > > The fact that it’s a Constitutionally-protected right makes it a bit different than immigration policy. My problem isn’t with immigrants vs. guns it’s with the assertion that the nation’s opioid crisis is connected to people walking across the border with heroin. The opioid crisis isn’t because of Hondurans walking across with one balloon of smack at a time. A wall isn’t going to fix the opioid crisis. If congress NEEDS TO ACT to create this ham-fisted fix to the problem of drugs and the dozens of people who are killed by illegal immigrants each year (with a gun!), and the President is willing to throw $5.7 billion dollars at it, then why isn’t anyone willing to throw $5.7 billion dollars at the issue of children being mowed down in schools? Even if it’s ham-fisted. I mean, imagine if it were your child. ---
**Author:** ![JB99](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/439d5e/32.png) [@JB99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JB99)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 4:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/65 "2019-01-09T04:57:33Z")
> [@UltraVires](#): > > You’ll be pleased to know that killing someone with a gun (or otherwise) is illegal in every state and those laws are enforced. And yet, for some strange reason, it keeps happening. > [@](#): > > Illegal immigration is illegal, yet is not being enforced because of sanctuary cities and the lack of border security, so we need to address that. This is the biggest load of bullshit on Earth. When I go hiking in Coronado Memorial, I can stand on a mountaintop and see mile after mile of border fence. (Dare we call it a wall?). The border patrol agents roam the hills, automated cameras watch the border, and I can’t even drive to Tucson without passing through a checkpoint. And right now, as I type this, I am looking out my window at the FREAKING BLIMP the local Army post keeps for spotting migrants. There is a literal blimp hanging over my house for the exact purpose of spotting illegal migrants, and here you are telling me that our immigration laws are “not enforced.” So forgive me if I am not impressed if some cop in California has more important crimes to investigate, given the tremendous amount of border security and federal agencies dedicated to enforcing that specific thing. “Not being enforced.” What a crock of shit. > [@](#): > > But seriously, though, WTF do gun control arguments have to do with the immigration debate? Guns are killing our children and illegal immigrants are not. I don’t know why it is so hard for you to grasp that concept. A man can shoot almost a thousand people in Las Vegas and Republicans absolutely do not give a shit, but they’re willing to shut down the government over the problem of illegal immigration. Holy fuck, that is stupid. If I had $5 billion and a choice between building a wall and literally setting it on fire, I would be hard-pressed to tell you which idea is less useful. Either way, there are more important things to spend money on than chasing this nonsense. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 5:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/66 "2019-01-09T05:15:29Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > On the bright side, the networks won’t fall for it again. He took his big shot, wasted their (and our) time, interrupted regularly-scheduled programming and accomplished nothing. > > It was such an obvious abuse of his office he should be ashamed down to his tiny tadger. He won’t be, of course. But he should. It turns out that his speech was fairly successful when it comes to what it really was-a campaign speech for his reelection campaign. Before the speech emails went out on to all his supporter on the mailing list insisting that he needed their monetary support immediately for The Wall, and immediately after the speech another mailing went out to those who didn’t contribute saying that The President was willing to extend the deadline a few hours “for you”(actually, everyone that didn’t give for the cause)…but the funny part about this is that the money didn’t go to The Wall-it went to his reelection campaign. [Link](https://www.mediaite.com/tv/foxs-faulkner-confronts-kellyanne-on-trump-campaign-fundraising-off-oval-speech-i-thought-these-werent-political/), and [link.](https://newsok.com/article/feed/8353239/trump-already-using-tonights-fake-crisis-speech-as-fundraising-tool) That’s right. He conned the networks into running a campaign speech live. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 5:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/67 "2019-01-09T05:23:23Z")
> [@Chefguy](#): > > Trump apparently made off-the-record comments to some news folks that he really didn’t want to make this speech, and really doesn’t want to go visit the border, but is only doing it because his advisers have told him it’s a good idea. From a NYT article this evening: > > > [@](#): > > > > \*Yet privately, Mr. Trump dismissed his own new strategy as pointless. In an off-the-record lunch with television anchors hours before the address, he made clear in blunt terms that he was not inclined to give the speech or go to Texas, but was talked into it by advisers, according to two people briefed on the discussion who asked not to be identified sharing details. > > > > “It’s not going to change a damn thing, but I’m still doing it,” Mr. Trump said of the border visit, according to one of the people, who was in the room. The trip was just a photo opportunity, he said. “But,” he added, gesturing at his communications aides, Bill Shine, Sarah Huckabee Sanders and Kellyanne Conway, “these people behind you say it’s worth it.”\* You know, that almost sounds like an icy dose of reality has begun to take hold, a frisson of insight that the jig is nearly up. He did seem a bit defeated this evening, I was pleased to note. His approval rating is dropping fast and nothing he’s doing makes any difference. Gave me a smile to read. Thanks, **Chefguy**. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 5:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/68 "2019-01-09T05:25:55Z")
> [@UltraVires](#): > > This “low level crime” costs taxpayers billions of dollars each year. It allows widespread disrespect for the law and causes additional crimes, but, hey, it gives Democrats a bunch of extra votes, so I guess it is worth it. Extra votes would be possible only if they are legal or legalize their stay, the ones involved in crimes usually do not get that. And in reality, just like prohibition, the real disrespect for the law is because many Americans do see the huge injustices that many immigrants are facing just because an elected troglodyte wants to make injustice prevail for DACA recipients or immigrants asking for asylum. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 5:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/69 "2019-01-09T05:28:23Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > It turns out that his speech was fairly successful when it comes to what it really was-a campaign speech for his reelection campaign. Before the speech emails went out on to all his supporter on the mailing list insisting that he needed their monetary support immediately for The Wall, and immediately after the speech another mailing went out to those who didn’t contribute saying that The President was willing to extend the deadline a few hours “for you”(actually, everyone that didn’t give for the cause)…but the funny part about this is that the money didn’t go to The Wall-it went to his reelection campaign. [Link](https://www.mediaite.com/tv/foxs-faulkner-confronts-kellyanne-on-trump-campaign-fundraising-off-oval-speech-i-thought-these-werent-political/), and [link.](https://newsok.com/article/feed/8353239/trump-already-using-tonights-fake-crisis-speech-as-fundraising-tool) > > That’s right. He conned the networks into running a campaign speech live. I’m glad you posted this, as it explains why I asked **Ditka** whether he’d sent his five dollars yet. Did Trump’s [DEL]suckers[/DEL] supporters fall for it and send a bunch of money? ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 5:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/70 "2019-01-09T05:30:34Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > … His approval rating is dropping fast and nothing he’s doing makes any difference. … He bounced around between ~40 and ~44 for pretty much all of 2018. His [average approval rating today is 42.4](https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_trump_job_approval-6179.html). ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 5:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/71 "2019-01-09T05:33:35Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > He bounced around between ~40 and ~44 for pretty much all of 2018. His [average approval rating today is 42.4](https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_trump_job_approval-6179.html). Do you think the networks should have been told it was a campaign speech? ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 5:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/72 "2019-01-09T05:34:48Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > He bounced around between ~40 and ~44 for pretty much all of 2018. His [average approval rating today is 42.4](https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_trump_job_approval-6179.html). I follow [538](https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/), where it’s 41.1. Down more than a full point since December 20th. And remember, Mueller has only just begun in earnest. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 5:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/73 "2019-01-09T05:38:07Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Do you think the networks should have been told it was a campaign speech? Which lines from the speech did you feel were particularly campaign-y? ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 5:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/74 "2019-01-09T05:39:09Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > I follow [538](https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/), where it’s 41.1. Down more than a full point since December 20th. > > And remember, Mueller has only just begun in earnest. 🙂 I don’t think he’s appreciably off the average for 2018, but you go ahead and believe whatever you like. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 5:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/75 "2019-01-09T05:42:22Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > I don’t think he’s appreciably off the average for 2018, but you go ahead and believe whatever you like. Kind of you to offer your unsought permission. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 5:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/76 "2019-01-09T05:43:49Z")
> [@UltraVires](#): > > This “low level crime” costs taxpayers billions of dollars each year. It allows widespread disrespect for the law and causes additional crimes, but, hey, it gives Democrats a bunch of extra votes, so I guess it is worth it. Umm, no. Immigrants are MORE law abiding that people born here. And there isnt one recorded instance of a illegal voting in a national election. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 5:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/77 "2019-01-09T05:45:51Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Which lines from the speech did you feel were particularly campaign-y? Did you see post #66? ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 5:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/78 "2019-01-09T05:56:52Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > I don’t think he’s appreciably off the average for 2018, but you go ahead and believe whatever you like. Since the end of 2018, his disapproval is almost up 2 points, according to your link. Thats: 1) A pretty big shift away from Trump taking place in just over a week, 2) Not fully factoring in the latest on the shut-down, and 3) Not factoring what’s coming with Mueller. Do you really think his primetime nothingburger tonight stanched his bleeding? Do you think the Dems controlling the House committee gavels stanches the bleeding? Do you really feel good about his numbers being 11.5 underwater (and climbing)? Do you really feel good about Trump being [underwater in Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio, Iowa, Nevada, Arizona, Pennsylvania, Virginia, North Carolina, Florida and Georgia?](https://morningconsult.com/tracking-trump/) But, hey, if you feel \*good \*about his numbers, don’t let us disturb your sleep at night. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 5:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/79 "2019-01-09T05:58:28Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Did you see post #66? Yes. It did not appear to answer my question. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 6:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/80 "2019-01-09T06:00:17Z")
> [@UltraVires](#): > > > [@running\_coach](#): > > > > What are the comparable stats for American citizens in the same time period? > > Why does it matter? Wow. :eek: [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439.md?page=5)