# Trump speech live 01/08/2019: follow-along thread. **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 9, 2019, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439 "2019-01-09T01:21:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/121 "2019-01-09T17:15:28Z")
IANAL, but I’m pretty sure it’s not illegal to send out an email requesting campaign donations. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/122 "2019-01-09T17:21:54Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > IANAL, but I’m pretty sure it’s not illegal to send out an email requesting campaign donations. Is that how you interpret what he did-just mailing out campaign donation requests? :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/123 "2019-01-09T17:28:28Z")
Yeah, there didn’t appear to be any lines in his speech soliciting donations. Do you think it was a violation of some canpaign finance statute? ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/124 "2019-01-09T17:30:43Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > Whatever. Fact is, after all the swings of his first year in office, his approval ratings have been pretty steady since last February. Sure, I’ll wait until later to wake you up, but it still will mean something when his approval breaks out of the range it’s been in for the past 11 months. Okay. I’m always willing to be educated. What will it mean? To my read even the spread from March '16 on is historically _very narrow_. Break out of that range to mean something. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/125 "2019-01-09T17:45:57Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Yeah, there didn’t appear to be any lines in his speech soliciting donations. Do you think it was a violation of some canpaign finance statute? Of course it’s not illegal to send emails asking for donations. The [DCCC did the same thing](https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/424454-democrats-fundraise-off-of-trump-fundraising-before-primetime-address) in response to the initial email last night. But using a prime-time ‘policy’ speech as a siren call to solicit donations strikes me as underhanded and unethical. But that’s been the SOP for the GOP for quite some time. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/126 "2019-01-09T17:54:40Z")
> [@Ancient\_Erudite](#): > > Lord Feldon, > > The issue is not the crime rate, which is debatable. What we have here are non-Americans victimizing American Citizens with various types of crime. > > Don’t you think the President and Congress should do more to protect the American Citizens? A simple yes or no will do. Did you know that there are thousands of murders, some of them of children, committed in the United states every year by people who were pulled over for speeding at some point in their lives. If we had mandatory life sentences for speeding, those lives could have been saved. ---
**Author:** ![JB99](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/439d5e/32.png) [@JB99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JB99)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/127 "2019-01-09T17:55:06Z")
> [@Ancient\_Erudite](#): > > Lord Feldon, > > The issue is not the crime rate, which is debatable. What we have here are non-Americans victimizing American Citizens with various types of crime. > > Don’t you think the President and Congress should do more to protect the American Citizens? A simple yes or no will do. The issue is not the crime rate, which is debatable. What we have here are Americans victimizing fellow American Citizens with gun violence. Don’t you think the President and Congress should do more to protect the American Citizens? A simple yes or no will do. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/128 "2019-01-09T18:06:13Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > Okay. I’m always willing to be educated. What will it mean? That he’s become less popular than he has been over the past year. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/129 "2019-01-09T18:26:18Z")
> [@Railer13](#): > > Of course it’s not illegal to send emails asking for donations. The [DCCC did the same thing](https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/424454-democrats-fundraise-off-of-trump-fundraising-before-primetime-address) in response to the initial email last night. > > But using a prime-time ‘policy’ speech as a siren call to solicit donations strikes me as underhanded and unethical. But that’s been the SOP for the GOP for quite some time. If I dug up some fundraising emails from Dems that were sent out in proximity to some ‘policy’ speeches, would you concede that they are underhanded and unethical? ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/130 "2019-01-09T18:29:03Z")
If the Dems used the spectre of a “declared national emergency” to wring free prime-time access to the three major networks so they could coordinate a marketing message, sure, please, by all means, dig that up. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/131 "2019-01-09T18:29:08Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > If I dug up some fundraising emails from Dems that were sent out in proximity to some ‘policy’ speeches, would you concede that they are underhanded and unethical? whataboutism\* and\* a hijack, eh? Can we get back to the speech? ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/132 "2019-01-09T18:29:20Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > If I dug up some fundraising emails from Dems that were sent out in proximity to some ‘policy’ speeches, would you concede that they are underhanded and unethical? Certainly, if the people giving the speeches admitted ahead of time that they were meaningless, but the campaigns of those giving the speeches had aggressive fundraising campaigns centered around the speeches. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/133 "2019-01-09T18:33:31Z")
Try here: [Barack Obama gets on national TV to announce the death of Osama Bin Laden](https://www.nbcnews.com/video/may-1-2011-president-obama-announces-bin-laden-s-death-677792323587). Please try to find: 1. Campaign marketing emails sent _prior_\* to the announcement, raising money on the news that OBL was dead. 2. Campaign marketing emails sent _immediately after_\* the announcement, raising money on the news that OBL was dead. I think Trump’s follow-up email was within 10 minutes of the speech ending. I’ll be generous and give you three hours after Obama’s speech. Find me an Obama 2012 campaign email asking for money because of OBL’s death that was sent by, say, 1:30am, Monday, May 2nd, 2011. \*We need to keep the “proximity” roughly the same as Individual-1’s actions, so the comparison is fair. Right? ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/134 "2019-01-09T18:39:13Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > whataboutism\* and\* a hijack, eh? > > Can we get back to the speech? You’re kidding, right? Remember the “hung like a hamster” commentary? You should, you participated: > [@DrDeth](#): > > Hamsters have HUGE testicles in comparison to their body size. Fact check! Now suddenly you just want to focus on the speech? Hypocrisy much? ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/135 "2019-01-09T18:41:16Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > Try here: > > [Barack Obama gets on national TV to announce the death of Osama Bin Laden](https://www.nbcnews.com/video/may-1-2011-president-obama-announces-bin-laden-s-death-677792323587). > > Please try to find: > > 1. Campaign marketing emails sent _prior_\* to the announcement, raising money on the news that OBL was dead. > 2. Campaign marketing emails sent _immediately after_\* the announcement, raising money on the news that OBL was dead. I think Trump’s follow-up email was within 10 minutes of the speech ending. I’ll be generous and give you three hours after Obama’s speech. Find me an Obama 2012 campaign email asking for money because of OBL’s death that was sent by, say, 1:30am, Monday, May 2nd, 2011. > \*We need to keep the “proximity” roughly the same as Individual-1’s actions, so the comparison is fair. Right? A finer example of moving the goalposts would be difficult to imagine. ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/136 "2019-01-09T18:42:40Z")
So you’re still digging then?:rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/137 "2019-01-09T18:43:11Z")
Raising money off of OBL’s death is a no-brainer, it seems to me. Are you, HD, telling me you don’t even have the ability to _try_ to research my question/your statement? Just gonna assume it’s true because you want it to be? ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/138 "2019-01-09T18:46:14Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > If I dug up some fundraising emails from Dems that were sent out in proximity to some ‘policy’ speeches, would you concede that they are underhanded and unethical? Yes. Of course you are referring to Presidential speeches, correct? Considering that massive email blitzes weren’t a thing yet during the Clinton presidency, you will only have to dig up fundraising emails sent right before or right after one of Obama’s Oval Office policy speeches. It shouldn’t take you very long. [Here’s](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oval_Office_address) a list. And since Obama wasn’t in need of campaign re-election funds after November of 2012, the list that you have to search will be even shorter. There are 10 of them. I’ll wait. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/139 "2019-01-09T18:50:02Z")
Technically, the list should be of those times Obama threatened a national emergency and got on all three broadcast networks. The list you linked to, Railer, just contains all his Oval Office speeches. Doesn’t say who carried them though, and the links go to the speeches themselves. Then once we find out when Obama faked a national emergency to get some free air time, then we have to check the marketing messages sent out by the Obama 2012 campaign to see if he both (a) fund-raised prior to the announcement, and then (b), fund-raised immediately after the announcement. ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/140 "2019-01-09T18:52:18Z")
Somehow I doubt he’ll ever find anything. For right wingers the accusation is all that matters. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439.md?page=8)