# Trump speech live 01/08/2019: follow-along thread. **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 9, 2019, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439 "2019-01-09T01:21:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/141 "2019-01-09T18:55:15Z")
Seriously, if the GOP wants 2020 trouble in the largest Red state in the country, just go ahead and seize our land for your stupid wall. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/142 "2019-01-09T18:55:58Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > Technically, the list should be of those times Obama threatened a national emergency and got on all three broadcast networks. The list you linked to, Railer, just contains all his Oval Office speeches. Doesn’t say who carried them though, and the links go to the speeches themselves. > > Then once we find out when Obama faked a national emergency to get some free air time, then we have to check the marketing messages sent out by the Obama 2012 campaign to see if he both (a) fund-raised prior to the announcement, and then (b), fund-raised immediately after the announcement. True enough, but I thought that list would be a good place to start. I’m just trying to help HD in his homework. But you’re narrowing the scope even further. We should expect an answer from him shortly. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/143 "2019-01-09T18:56:01Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > Technically, the list should be of those times Obama threatened a national emergency and got on all three broadcast networks. The list you linked to, Railer, just contains all his Oval Office speeches. Doesn’t say who carried them though, and the links go to the speeches themselves. > > Then once we find out when Obama faked a national emergency to get some free air time, then we have to check the marketing messages sent out by the Obama 2012 campaign to see if he both (a) fund-raised prior to the announcement, and then (b), fund-raised immediately after the announcement. Or we could just assume that, if it ever happened, FoxNews and a shitload of other Obama haters would have been shouting it from the rooftops, and rightfully so. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/144 "2019-01-09T18:58:37Z")
> [@Railer13](#): > > True enough, but I thought that list would be a good place to start. I’m just trying to help HD in his homework. But you’re narrowing the scope even further. We should expect an answer from him shortly. Exactly. This is a team exercise in research. 🅱 HD, I hope you appreciate all this help, I really do. It would be… ungenerous… if you didn’t. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/145 "2019-01-09T19:00:06Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > A finer example of moving the goalposts would be difficult to imagine. Well, yes, **JohnT** _did_ move the goalposts to five yards in front of you and lower the crossbar to two feet high by widening the time window from Trump’s less than ten minutes to three full hours. Show some gratitude. ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/146 "2019-01-09T19:00:15Z")
I don’t think we’ll see him back until he sees a single line in somebody’s post that he thinks he can snipe to make some internet points. And he’ll ignore the entire conversation up to that point as well as everything else in the post he decides to pick that one line from. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/147 "2019-01-09T19:06:52Z")
> [@Airbeck](#): > > I don’t think we’ll see him back until he sees a single line in somebody’s post that he thinks he can snipe to make some internet points. And he’ll ignore the entire conversation up to that point as well as everything else in the post he decides to pick that one line from. This is a very fine description of HD’s MO. This thread is now completely hijacked, but I will say that it’s been far more interesting and entertaining than the subject of the thread. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/148 "2019-01-09T19:16:06Z")
I asked this in the other thread, but no reply - does anyone know why Trump waited until now (with Dem House) to try to fund his wall? Why did he wait 2 years? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/149 "2019-01-09T19:17:23Z")
> [@Riemann](#): > > I asked this in the other thread, but no reply - does anyone know why Trump waited until now (with Dem House) to try to fund his wall? Why did he wait 2 years? He was busy failing elsewhere. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/150 "2019-01-09T19:18:40Z")
He didn’t wait two years to try and fund it, he waited two years to complain that the Dems weren’t cooperating. ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/151 "2019-01-09T19:20:29Z")
Yeah he needed someone to fight with, otherwise he’d be fighting with his own party. He was waiting for a villian. It’s reality TV WWE wrestling stuff. ---
**Author:** ![YamatoTwinkie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/cc9497/32.png) [@YamatoTwinkie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YamatoTwinkie)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/152 "2019-01-09T19:20:44Z")
> [@UltraVires](#): > > Why does it matter? These people are not supposed to be here. Those numbers should be zero. Those numbers represent American victims of crime that would otherwise be safe from crime if the borders were secure. That’s not how math works. All things being equal, you’re forgetting that all of those non-violent immigrants that are also coming in are potential victims of crimes themselves (adding to the pool), thus “shielding” American victims from crimes. Say a hypothetical country has 8 citizens, and statistically, 1/4 of them (i.e, two criminals) are going to commit a violent crime at some point in their lives (assume for the hypothetical they assault someone at random other than themselves). Your individual chances of becoming a victim of one of those two crimes are 26.5%. Now say that hypothetical county allows 5 immigrants in, 1/5 of them are violent criminals (one more criminal). Your chances of becoming a victim of one of those three (total) crimes is now 23.0.% ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/153 "2019-01-09T19:22:03Z")
> [@Riemann](#): > > I asked this in the other thread, but no reply - does anyone know why Trump waited until now (with Dem House) to try to fund his wall? Why did he wait 2 years? He has fucked up everything else, he is in a shitload of trouble concerning Russia and a variety of other underhanded dealings, so the only thing he has left to rally the troops around is a stupid wall he never believed in in the first place…which is why the details about it change on a daily basis. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/154 "2019-01-09T19:42:40Z")
**Railer13** , To recap: > [@Railer13](#): > > … using a prime-time ‘policy’ speech as a siren call to solicit donations strikes me as underhanded and unethical. But that’s been the SOP for the GOP for quite some time. > [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > If I dug up some fundraising emails from Dems that were sent out in proximity to some ‘policy’ speeches, would you concede that they are underhanded and unethical? > [@Railer13](#): > > Yes. Of course you are referring to Presidential speeches, correct? … With that background, I present to you … (_drumroll_) … Obama’s 2013 State of the Union speech and fundraising requests: > [@](#): > > President Barack Obama’s new nonprofit advocacy group, Organizing for Action, is using tonight’s State of the Union address as a fundraising opportunity. The group is emailing supporters asking them to register for a “special online call” following the speech before a joint session of Congress. > > Upon registering your name, email address and ZIP code, you are immediately directed to an online form soliciting a donation to the organization, which describes its overarching mission as “achieving enactment of the national agenda Americans voted for on Election Day 2012.” > > The Democratic National Committee also blasted out an email this evening inviting supporters to watch the State of the Union address on its website. > > Immediately after Executive Director Patrick Gaspard’s signature? A large, red button with white letters reading “DONATE.” > > … [source](https://publicintegrity.org/federal-politics/state-of-the-union-speech-sparks-partisan-fundraising-pitches/) ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/155 "2019-01-09T19:50:51Z")
Lol. He brings up the SOTU speech, which has been a fund-raising vehicle for both parties since it started being televised. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/156 "2019-01-09T19:54:48Z")
“both sides do it” \<---- that was my point. ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/157 "2019-01-09T19:55:54Z")
hahahahahahahaha What a face plant ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/158 "2019-01-09T19:57:53Z")
Lol, the SOTU isn’t a “policy speech”, it’s a Constitutionally-mandated update, one that’s been campaigned on since it began being televised. Try again. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/159 "2019-01-09T20:01:02Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > “both sides do it” \<---- that was my point. Both sides put on unscheduled speeches that they push are so important that they must be aired live on the major networks, then use the speech to raise re-election funds in a somewhat deceptive manner? Re: your drumroll-Your drum is busted. ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/160 "2019-01-09T20:01:15Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > “both sides do it” \<---- that was my point. There’s very fine people on both sides, ammirite? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439.md?page=9)