# Trump speech live 01/08/2019: follow-along thread. **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 9, 2019, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439 "2019-01-09T01:21:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/161 "2019-01-09T20:07:13Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > Lol, the SOTU isn’t a “policy speech”… Your objections are getting more and more absurd. > [@](#): > > … In a wide-ranging speech focused on strengthening the middle class, Obama gave little ground to his adversaries. While he did not back away from the social policy initiatives—on immigration, gun safety, and climate change—that took center-stage in his second inaugural address, he clearly shifted his emphasis to the economy and jobs, which recent surveys have placed at the top of the public’s concerns. He advanced a vision of an activist government that would raise wages and incomes, boost education and skills, and improve the climate for job creation. … [source](https://www.brookings.edu/blog/up-front/2013/02/12/reaction-and-analysis-to-president-obamas-2013-state-of-the-union/) ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/162 "2019-01-09T20:08:11Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > He didn’t wait two years to try and fund it, he waited two years to complain that the Dems weren’t cooperating. Well, is there no better answer than this? I mean, it kind of undermines his ridiculous idea of declaring a national emergency. Why did it never come up in the prior two years when he had a Republican-controlled House? This is not the Dems withdrawing existing funding, it’s new funding right? ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/163 "2019-01-09T20:24:16Z")
> [@YamatoTwinkie](#): > > That’s not how math works. All things being equal, you’re forgetting that all of those non-violent immigrants that are also coming in are potential victims of crimes themselves (adding to the pool), thus “shielding” American victims from crimes. > > Say a hypothetical country has 8 citizens, and statistically, 1/4 of them (i.e, two criminals) are going to commit a violent crime at some point in their lives (assume for the hypothetical they assault someone at random other than themselves). Your individual chances of becoming a victim of one of those two crimes are 26.5%. > > Now say that hypothetical county allows 5 immigrants in, 1/5 of them are violent criminals (one more criminal). Your chances of becoming a victim of one of those three (total) crimes is now 23.0.% We can go even further than that. Law abiding groups create low crime areas. By, for example, calling the police when they see potential problems, speaking out against potentially criminal behavior, forming neighborhood watch programs, etc. People who don’t tolerate crime actually lower crime rates around them, not just through their own lack of crimes, but on the impact they have on potential criminals in the neighborhood. Crime rates for immigrants are so low that they actually reduce rates of crime in cities they move to. Basically, [immigrants reduced the total rate of crimes committed against Americans](https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/1745-9125.12175)! That’s right, crime rates would actually go up if we deported more immigrants. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/164 "2019-01-09T20:29:59Z")
People who bet that Individual 1 would tell more than 3.5 lies during his speech won $276,424 from BookMaker.eu after the bookmaking site, using the Washington Post’s fact checking, declared that he had told 6 lies. [https://www.sfgate.com/technology/businessinsider/article/People-who-bet-on-how-many-lies-Trump-would-tell-13520681.php](https://www.sfgate.com/technology/businessinsider/article/People-who-bet-on-how-many-lies-Trump-would-tell-13520681.php)? ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/165 "2019-01-09T20:43:16Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Your objections are getting more and more absurd. > > [source](https://www.brookings.edu/blog/up-front/2013/02/12/reaction-and-analysis-to-president-obamas-2013-state-of-the-union/) You are correct. I should have finished the statement with “… in the same manner as last night’s appearance, or Barack’s announcement of OBL’s death, were policy speeches.” I assumed the references to the Constitutionally-mandated nature of the SOTU, as well as its historical role in promoting the President’s agenda, would have been enough to make it clear that there is quite a difference between the SOTU and the rare random policy speeches which garner three-network support. Obviously, I overestimated somewhere. My apologies. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/166 "2019-01-09T20:48:00Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > People who bet that Individual 1 would tell more than 3.5 lies during his speech won $276,424 from BookMaker.eu after the bookmaking site, using the Washington Post’s fact checking, declared that he had told 6 lies. > [https://www.sfgate.com/technology/businessinsider/article/People-who-bet-on-how-many-lies-Trump-would-tell-13520681.php](https://www.sfgate.com/technology/businessinsider/article/People-who-bet-on-how-many-lies-Trump-would-tell-13520681.php)? He didn’t even hit a lie a minute? Probably he was held back by only being able to speak as quickly as he could read. I bet if he’d been winging it he’d have hit his usual 1LPM. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/167 "2019-01-09T20:50:49Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > “both sides do it” \<---- that was my point. Man “both sides” don’t even get their fucking partisan immigration addresses aired on major networks. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/168 "2019-01-09T20:52:38Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > That he’s become less popular than he has been over the past year. Seriously I am not trying to be snarky here. But yes, hitting the low for a 12 month period does mean that “he’s become less popular than he has been over the past year.” (Well 10 months since February '18 saw him at 39.) To me the significance remains how _flat_ that range has been relative to other presidents. By two months in he had settled into basically a six point range of approval ratings, peaking near 43 and bottoming out near 37. That is very narrow and 40 would be right in the middle of that range. The flatness speaks to how entrenched opinions are about him. Big negative stories that would have caused huge swings for other presidents barely move the needle. For that matter something positive, like a good economic report, hardly moves him up. The small scale of his current drop given the shutdown and his stating ahead of time that he would own it is more notable to me than that he is back to his term’s mean. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/169 "2019-01-09T20:52:50Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > Man “both sides” don’t even get their fucking partisan immigration addresses aired on major networks. And who makes that decision (of whether to televise the speech on major networks or not)? ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/170 "2019-01-09T20:53:44Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > People who bet that Individual 1 would tell more than 3.5 lies during his speech won $276,424 from BookMaker.eu after the bookmaking site, using the Washington Post’s fact checking, declared that he had told 6 lies. > [https://www.sfgate.com/technology/businessinsider/article/People-who-bet-on-how-many-lies-Trump-would-tell-13520681.php](https://www.sfgate.com/technology/businessinsider/article/People-who-bet-on-how-many-lies-Trump-would-tell-13520681.php)? You left out the best part: > [@](#): > > 92% of bettors wagered that Trump would tell more than 3.5 lies ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/171 "2019-01-09T21:00:29Z")
> [@Steve\_MB](#): > > You left out the best part: What were those other 8% smocking? ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/172 "2019-01-09T21:02:27Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > And who makes that decision (of whether to televise the speech on major networks or not)? The fake news networks that are biased toward liberals? Them? Funny that they didn’t preempt TV for Obama’s immigration speech but did for Trumps. Kinda blows up that whole narrative that they are in the tank for the Democrats doesn’t it? ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/173 "2019-01-09T21:15:45Z")
> [@Airbeck](#): > > The fake news networks that are biased toward liberals? Them? Funny that they didn’t preempt TV for Obama’s immigration speech but did for Trumps. Kinda blows up that whole narrative that they are in the tank for the Democrats doesn’t it? It could mean lots of things, from Obama didn’t write a very good speech, to President Trump is better for their ratings than Obama was. I certainly don’t think televising one short speech “blows up that whole narrative”. YMMV. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/174 "2019-01-09T21:22:53Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > It could mean lots of things, from Obama didn’t write a very good speech Could you expand on this a little? Do you think Obama 1) wrote a speech, 2) provided an advance copy to the networks, 3) the networks reviewed the speech, thought “decent sentence structure but I don’t like the character arc” and 4) decided not to air it? ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/175 "2019-01-09T21:24:34Z")
The narrative is that all news outlets aside from Fox News, Brightbart, and other right wing outlets are biased for and in the tank for the Democrats. Trump has been calling them the enemy of the people. You may have heard about that. It’s total bullshit. And I think you know that. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/176 "2019-01-09T21:53:40Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > **Railer13** , > > To recap: > > With that background, I present to you … (_drumroll_) … Obama’s 2013 State of the Union speech and fundraising requests: > > [source](https://publicintegrity.org/federal-politics/state-of-the-union-speech-sparks-partisan-fundraising-pitches/) OK. As others have already said, you’re conflating the annual presidential SOTU speech with the speech that Trump gave last night. I guess I should have specified that it was a speech like last night (maybe an Oval Office address?), and not the annual ‘look how good my party and I are doing’ SOTU speech. I think you know that, but you will never admit to it. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/177 "2019-01-09T21:54:25Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > It could mean lots of things, from Obama didn’t write a very good speech, to President Trump is better for their ratings than Obama was. I certainly don’t think televising one short speech “blows up that whole narrative”. YMMV. Which suggests that the media is not in the bag for any side. They are in it for the ratings. Period. They care not if a liberal or conservative gets that for them. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/178 "2019-01-09T22:11:47Z")
The rapid vacillation on display between smugness and desperation is downright Trumpian. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/179 "2019-01-09T23:04:22Z")
> [@Railer13](#): > > OK. As others have already said, you’re conflating the annual presidential SOTU speech with the speech that Trump gave last night. Otherwise known as, “The State of the Wall” speech. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/180 "2019-01-09T23:07:05Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > And who makes that decision (of whether to televise the speech on major networks or not)? I’m pretty sure the answer you’re looking for is “both sides”. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439.md?page=10)