# Trump Splashback Hits Bush **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 9, 2016, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-splashback-hits-bush/768023 "2016-10-09T01:48:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2016, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-splashback-hits-bush/768023/1 "2016-10-09T01:48:13Z")
[MSN reports](http://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/news/trump-tape-fallout-concern-over-billy-bush-grows-at-today-show/ar-BBxbc2r?li=BBnb7Kz) “growing concern” at the TODAY show over Billy Bush’s role in the leaked Trump conversation: > [@](#): > > There is a growing sense of outrage at NBC’s Today show - especially among the show’s many female staffers - about comments Billy Bush made on a hot mic with Donald Trump during a taping for a 2005 Access Hollywood segment. And many of them are wondering what management is going to do about it. > > “It’s disgusting,” said one female staffer. “He was already unpopular,” said another, noting that Bush and his 9 a.m. co-anchor, Tamron Hall, have an icy relationship. > . > . > . > Trump and Bush were recorded using extremely vulgar and predatory language in a conversation about Nancy O’Dell, who was Bush’s Access Hollywood co-host at the time. While Trump’s comments are far worse, Bush very clearly eggs him on. Trump issued a video apology late Friday, after facing a rash of criticism. The Republican nominee for president was on Access Hollywood to promote a cameo appearance on the soap opera Days of Our Lives. The conversation was recorded on an Access Hollywood bus that was taking Trump, Bush and a camera crew to the Days set. Actress Arianna Zucker was waiting to escort Trump and when Bush spots her from inside the bus, he can be heard saying: “Sheesh, your girl’s hot as s—, in the purple. Yes, the Donald has scored!” When they emerge from the bus, Bush encourages Zucker to hug Trump, and also asks for a hug himself. An interesting development. Will Bush lose his gig? ---
**Author:** ![Billdo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/billdo/32/315_2.png) [@Billdo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Billdo)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2016, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-splashback-hits-bush/768023/2 "2016-10-09T02:29:54Z")
I don’t think he did himself any favors by his [statement on the scandal](http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/08/us/politics/billy-bush-donald-trump-video.html): > [@](#): > > Mr. Bush, 44, issued a statement on Friday evening, writing: “Obviously I’m embarrassed and ashamed. It’s no excuse, but this happened 11 years ago — I was younger, less mature, and acted foolishly in playing along.” It is a bit much to claim youthful indiscretion when you are 33 years old. The other thing about him is that he is from the political Bush family, nephew to George H.W. Bush and first cousin to George W. and Jeb. He’s also a cousin of fellow NBC News correspondent Jenna Bush Hager. I think it is highly unlikely we will see him on Today on Monday, and I think there is a good chance he’ll be out permanently. If and when he shows up, it will have to be with a detaled and well-crafted _mea culpa_. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2016, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-splashback-hits-bush/768023/3 "2016-10-09T02:53:12Z")
> [@Billdo](#): > > It is a bit much to claim youthful indiscretion when you are 33 years old. That’s why I’m not buying any of the Trump defenders saying “He’s different now.” No he isn’t. He was 60 years old when he made those comments. You don’t change from that. ---
**Author:** ![DSYoungEsq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c6cbf5/32.png) [@DSYoungEsq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSYoungEsq)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2016, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-splashback-hits-bush/768023/4 "2016-10-09T03:51:26Z")
**Bricker** , I expect that the Today show will try to save him. After all, they effectively traded for him, which means they saw some significant advantage to having him on the show. And, sadly, despite the fact that there is considerable outrage and kerfluffle going on today, by Monday it may well be totally subsumed underneath something that comes out of the debate tomorrow night. And, of course, there IS the fact that the controversy probably will drive viewership UP, not down. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2016, 5:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-splashback-hits-bush/768023/5 "2016-10-09T05:15:02Z")
I’d hope that a leaked private conversation over 10 years ago wouldn’t cost Bush his current job. The person that should be found and fired is whoever kept this outtake and leaked it now. Why was an out take with a young and relatively unknown reporter and a media personality/businessman kept all these years? This was a hatchet job on Trump and Bush is getting hit too. The content on the out take is vulgar and disgusting. Typical locker room banter that every guy has heard since junior high. Most of it is stupid boasting and one–upmanship. Machismo at its worst. It’s not intended for a wide audience. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2016, 5:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-splashback-hits-bush/768023/6 "2016-10-09T05:28:08Z")
To be fair, I suspect some of the banter in women’s locker rooms is pretty shocking and eyebrow raising too. 😃 Dirty and raunchy talk is not uncommon in this world. That’s why it’s considered private. ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2016, 5:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-splashback-hits-bush/768023/7 "2016-10-09T05:36:25Z")
As I pointed out in another thread, Bush’s and Trump’s conversation was not private, though. They were both wearing mikes and their mikes were live and could be picked up by the camera crew. Both of them should have been on guard about making any comments that could come back to haunt them. Whoever leaked those tapes aren’t to blame. Bush and Trump were to blame for making indiscreet comments when they should have been aware that they could be picked up. Unfortunately, Trump is incapable of being discreet. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2016, 5:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-splashback-hits-bush/768023/8 "2016-10-09T05:40:48Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > The content on the out take is vulgar and disgusting. Typical locker room banter that every guy has heard since junior high. Most of it is stupid boasting and one–upmanship. Machismo at its worst. It’s not intended for a wide audience. There is nothing typical about these remarks. Stop trying to pretend that there are. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2016, 5:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-splashback-hits-bush/768023/9 "2016-10-09T05:49:30Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > I’d hope that a leaked private conversation over 10 years ago wouldn’t cost Bush his current job. > > The person that should be found and fired is whoever kept this outtake and leaked it now. > > Why was an out take with a young and relatively unknown reporter and a media personality/businessman kept all these years? This was a hatchet job on Trump and Bush is getting hit too. > > The content on the out take is vulgar and disgusting. Typical locker room banter that every guy has heard since junior high. Most of it is stupid boasting and one–upmanship. Machismo at its worst. It’s not intended for a wide audience. Funny, but I’ve never heard anyone brag about vagina grabs or being unable to keep themselves from kissing a pretty woman before. I guess my junior high school (and high school, college, military service, jobs) were different. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2016, 5:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-splashback-hits-bush/768023/10 "2016-10-09T05:51:32Z")
You must have lead a very sheltered life then. This stuff is tame compared to conversations among guys that I heard in school. Most of it complete bs and boasting. Get some women together and their conversation will be just as raunchy. That’s what being human is. We’re all flawed and occasionally vulgar and immature. ---
**Author:** ![Enginerd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/bcef8e/32.png) [@Enginerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enginerd)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2016, 5:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-splashback-hits-bush/768023/11 "2016-10-09T05:55:12Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > I’d hope that a leaked private conversation over 10 years ago wouldn’t cost Bush his current job. > > The person that should be found and fired is whoever kept this outtake and leaked it now. > > Why was an out take with a young and relatively unknown reporter and a media personality/businessman kept all these years? This was a hatchet job on Trump and Bush is getting hit too. > > The content on the out take is vulgar and disgusting. Typical locker room banter that every guy has heard since junior high. Most of it is stupid boasting and one–upmanship. Machismo at its worst. It’s not intended for a wide audience. Once again, you’re more concerned with the career prospects of misogynists than you are for their potential victims. Lovely. You never fail to disappoint. :rolleyes: (paraphrased from my post in [this](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=19686477#post19686477) thread): I’m about Bush’s age and I’ve spent a lot of time in locker rooms, and I’ve almost never heard shit like that in them. “I’d jump her bones,” or explicit descriptions of your own sexual activity, sure, but nothing like what Trump said. For example, the statement “I would jump her bones” is conditional - the 'would" implies “if the situation were favorable and she were so inclined as well.” That’s a substantive difference from Trump’s words. Here’s Trump: “You know, I’m automatically attracted to beautiful — I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don’t even wait. And when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. … Grab ’em by the pussy. You can do anything.” Trump’s comments completely disregard the agency of the women he’s talking about. “I don’t even wait” to gauge her interest or not, and if “they let you do it,” then you’re home free, regardless of how they feel about it. Someone who talks this way about other people is a failure as a human being. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2016, 6:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-splashback-hits-bush/768023/12 "2016-10-09T06:03:14Z")
I totally agree Trump was out of line A complete male pig. At the time he was not involved in politics. He didn’t have the self awareness to censor every word he said. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2016, 6:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-splashback-hits-bush/768023/13 "2016-10-09T06:03:33Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > There is nothing typical about these remarks. Cite? In exact terms I’d agree they’re not typical, but in terms of crassness, vulgarity and so-called misogyny (i.e., sexual banter about the desirability/physical attributes of certain women and/or one’s success with them) they’re exceedingly typical of the things I’ve been hearing guys say since I was in my early teens. > [@BigT](#): > > Stop trying to pretend that there are. Upon what basis do you make this presumption? ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2016, 6:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-splashback-hits-bush/768023/14 "2016-10-09T06:10:42Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Cite? > > In exact terms I’d agree they’re not typical, but in terms of crassness, vulgarity and so-called misogyny (i.e., sexual banter about the desirability/physical attributes of certain women and/or one’s success with them) they’re exceedingly typical of the things I’ve been hearing guys say since I was in my early teens. > > Upon what basis do you make this presumption? If all Trump had said was that she was hot and that he tried to get into her pants, it would be no big deal. That Trump cheats on his wives is not exactly news. You seem to be ignoring the part about grabbing her pussy. Which, as I’ve said, he did not do to her but did to others. Against their consent. You do understand consent, don’t you? ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2016, 6:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-splashback-hits-bush/768023/15 "2016-10-09T06:14:01Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > You must have lead a very sheltered life then. > > This stuff is tame compared to conversations among guys that I heard in school. Most of it complete bs and boasting. > > Get some women together and their conversation will be just as raunchy. > > That’s what being human is. We’re all flawed and occasionally vulgar and immature. Sorry, bub, not even close. Over half a century, the overwhelming majority of it supporting myself. So sorry, but no. But hey, spout some more about how it’s commonly acceptable behavior. I’m sure everyone will buy it. Who are you voting for again? ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2016, 6:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-splashback-hits-bush/768023/16 "2016-10-09T06:18:09Z")
I’m voting for Bill’s wife. The guy that diddles women with cigars. Trump is toast now. Hopefully Billy Bush can keep his job. He’s collateral damage in this political attack. ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2016, 6:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-splashback-hits-bush/768023/17 "2016-10-09T06:19:55Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > I totally agree Trump was out of line > A complete male pig. > > At the time he was not involved in politics. He didn’t have the self awareness to censor every word he said. He wasn’t in politics, but 11 years ago he had been a very public figure for at least 15 years or longer. He should have had self-awareness long before then. ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2016, 6:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-splashback-hits-bush/768023/18 "2016-10-09T06:24:33Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > You must have lead a very sheltered life then. > > This stuff is tame compared to conversations among guys that I heard in school. Most of it complete bs and boasting. > > **Get some women together and their conversation will be just as raunchy.** > > That’s what being human is. We’re all flawed and occasionally vulgar and immature. No. No, it isn’t. I have never, ever been part of a female-only conversation that included a phrase like “grab them by the balls”. ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2016, 6:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-splashback-hits-bush/768023/19 "2016-10-09T06:27:46Z")
> [@cochrane](#): > > He wasn’t in politics, but 11 years ago he had been a very public figure for at least 15 years or longer. He should have had self-awareness long before then. And my math is bad. 11 years ago, Trump would have been in the public eye for at least 25 years. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2016, 6:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-splashback-hits-bush/768023/20 "2016-10-09T06:29:13Z")
It’s so strange that shock jock Howard Stern has made a fortune for being raunchy. He’s mellowed a little but his raunchy schtick has kept him on the air thirty-five years. Yet, people want Billy Bush fired for a conversation he was involved in ten years ago. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-splashback-hits-bush/768023.md?page=2)