# Trump sued by Stormy Daniels over hush payment **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [March 7, 2018, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-sued-by-stormy-daniels-over-hush-payment/810163 "2018-03-07T02:36:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![pdhenry](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pdhenry/32/5561_2.png) [@pdhenry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pdhenry)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2018, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-sued-by-stormy-daniels-over-hush-payment/810163/281 "2018-03-25T15:05:56Z")
> [@Measure\_for\_Measure](#): > > IIRC, the going rate is $130,000 of which she kept $88,000. She has to go to court to be released from the NDA, which racks up more legal fees. > > And for what? So she can publish her memoir? Does she think that her movie rights will be worth something? TV interviews don’t pay the bills. I don’t see how she can come out ahead on this. > > Stormy’s business model, OTOH, looks more plausible, as media attention boosts her stripping fees and her story is frankly more entertaining. And while both have personal motivations, Stormy’s seems more compelling to me, not that this is something I have a good take on. Ditto for the business stuff. It doesn’t always have to be for money. It may be worth it (for some people) to contribute to the downfall of someone they find abhorrent, with the potential for coming out slightly ahead after legal fees. But I have no idea what motivates Stormy Daniels. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2018, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-sued-by-stormy-daniels-over-hush-payment/810163/282 "2018-03-25T16:04:46Z")
“Court Documents Suggest Trump Impregnated Stormy Daniels And Had Her Get An Abortion” [https://bluestatedaily.com/court-documents-suggest-trump-impregnated-stormy-daniels-get-abortion/](https://bluestatedaily.com/court-documents-suggest-trump-impregnated-stormy-daniels-get-abortion/) > [@](#): > > According to the court filing, the agreement Stormy Daniels signed prevents her from discussing “sexual partners, alleged sexual actions or alleged sexual conduct, related matters, or paternity information.” > > As George Takei would say, “Oooh myyy!” > > Indeed, this has generated speculation that Trump possibly impregnated Stormy Daniels and forced her to have an abortion. ---
**Author:** ![Bijou\_Drains](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bijou_drains/32/2814_2.png) [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2018, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-sued-by-stormy-daniels-over-hush-payment/810163/283 "2018-03-25T16:13:48Z")
her lawyer said that language about paternity is standard boilerplate for all those type agreements. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2018, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-sued-by-stormy-daniels-over-hush-payment/810163/284 "2018-03-25T16:33:50Z")
Trump’s supporters wouldn’t care if he forced women to get abortions, as long as he’s opposed to abortion. ---
**Author:** ![Bijou\_Drains](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bijou_drains/32/2814_2.png) [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2018, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-sued-by-stormy-daniels-over-hush-payment/810163/285 "2018-03-25T16:42:05Z")
there is a Dr. / GOP member of Congress who is anti-abortion and he told his first wife to have 2 abortions. [Scott DesJarlais - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_DesJarlais) ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2018, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-sued-by-stormy-daniels-over-hush-payment/810163/286 "2018-03-25T17:12:23Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Trump’s supporters wouldn’t care if he forced women to get abortions, as long as he’s opposed to abortion. It’s a safe assumption that if video surfaces of Trump tearing the fetus out with his own li’l marionette hands and biting its head off, MAGA hats will remain glued to evangelical “Christian” heads. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2018, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-sued-by-stormy-daniels-over-hush-payment/810163/287 "2018-03-25T17:44:06Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > “Court Documents Suggest Trump Impregnated Stormy Daniels And Had Her Get An Abortion” > > [https://bluestatedaily.com/court-documents-suggest-trump-impregnated-stormy-daniels-get-abortion/](https://bluestatedaily.com/court-documents-suggest-trump-impregnated-stormy-daniels-get-abortion/) ? A porn star/hooker that doesn’t take precautions? ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2018, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-sued-by-stormy-daniels-over-hush-payment/810163/288 "2018-03-25T18:22:49Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > ? A porn star/hooker that doesn’t take precautions? She’s already said it was sans condom. So while she might have been in birth control, she wasn’t taking enough precaution. ---
**Author:** ![scr4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/59ef9b/32.png) [@scr4](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scr4)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2018, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-sued-by-stormy-daniels-over-hush-payment/810163/289 "2018-03-25T18:36:25Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > ? A porn star/hooker that doesn’t take precautions? Is there any confirmation that she ever worked as a prostitute? Did she do heterosexual porn scenes without condoms? I’m not alleging anything, I’m asking because I don’t know. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2018, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-sued-by-stormy-daniels-over-hush-payment/810163/290 "2018-03-25T21:23:33Z")
I can’t get over the fact that Trump—who speaks and tweets accusations and hostility about EVERYONE who crosses him—has said not one word about Stormy Daniels. And not one word about Playmate Karen McDougal. And–possibly not incidentally–not one word about Vladimir Putin. I ask myself what the women who accused Trump of groping them have in common–he called them all liars. And he has _not_ called the two women who we know to have had intimate sexual contact with him, liars. The women who accused him of abuse also have in common that he grabbed at them with his hands and/or put his mouth on them without their permission…but he himself remained fully clothed. So we know that the abuse-accusing women (who have been called “liars” by Trump) probably don’t know intimate facts about his anatomy. But Stormy and Karen probably DO know intimate facts about his anatomy. Putin probably knows these intimate facts, too. Any sexual encounters Trump had when he was in Russia were almost certainly filmed. If, for example, one or more Russian hookers commented on the videos about the size of Trump’s equipment (shall we say), and if Trump were informed that videos existed showing his body AND showing women commenting about his body–and possibly laughing–how would that motivate Trump? Since Trump felt no need to be silent about the women he groped, but does apparently feel a need to be silent about the women who saw him naked–and who might have photographic proof–what does this imply about what he fears will be revealed? Why isn’t Trump saying ‘liar’ or other hostile things about Stormy and about Karen McDougal, when he’s silent about NO other person in a position to reveal things about him? (Except for Vlad; Trump isn’t saying hostile things about Vlad, either.) ---
**Author:** ![Bijou\_Drains](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bijou_drains/32/2814_2.png) [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2018, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-sued-by-stormy-daniels-over-hush-payment/810163/291 "2018-03-25T21:29:09Z")
Trump returned to DC today, his wife remained in Florida. ---
**Author:** ![jasg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f0a364/32.png) [@jasg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jasg)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2018, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-sued-by-stormy-daniels-over-hush-payment/810163/292 "2018-03-25T21:33:52Z")
> [@Bijou\_Drains](#): > > Trump returned to DC today, his wife remained in Florida. Well, tonight’s 60 Minutes is not exactly a family show 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Bijou\_Drains](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bijou_drains/32/2814_2.png) [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2018, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-sued-by-stormy-daniels-over-hush-payment/810163/293 "2018-03-25T21:40:20Z")
I assume Trump’s lawyers told him not to talk about McDougal or Daniels and for once he’s taking their advice. Sarah Sanders has denied both their stories. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2018, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-sued-by-stormy-daniels-over-hush-payment/810163/294 "2018-03-25T21:45:27Z")
> [@jasg](#): > > Well, tonight’s 60 Minutes is not exactly a family show 😃 I almost feel like I’m getting suckered in to some Facebook/Fox style clickbait, but if my crappy antenna will pick up CBS tonight, I may tune in. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2018, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-sued-by-stormy-daniels-over-hush-payment/810163/295 "2018-03-25T21:46:11Z")
> [@Bijou\_Drains](#): > > I assume Trump’s lawyers told him not to talk about McDougal or Daniels and **for once he’s taking their advice.** Sarah Sanders has denied both their stories. But why? Why, out of all the times he’s talked and tweeted _against his lawyers’ advice_, and hurt himself materially—why would he suddenly start being obedient to their advice now? ---
**Author:** ![Bijou\_Drains](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bijou_drains/32/2814_2.png) [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2018, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-sued-by-stormy-daniels-over-hush-payment/810163/296 "2018-03-25T22:04:24Z")
the official line is Melania is staying in Florida for spring break like she does every year . I assume they mean spring break for Barron. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2018, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-sued-by-stormy-daniels-over-hush-payment/810163/297 "2018-03-25T22:05:36Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > But why? > > Why, out of all the times he’s talked and tweeted _against his lawyers’ advice_, and hurt himself materially—why would he suddenly start being obedient to their advice now? Well, JMHO… in a nutshell, he’s actually scared. Couple of things. First, if the abortion situation is true, it has the potential to actually hurt him with his base. OTOH, really, how hard is it for him to say, “I was lost, but now I’m found!! I have seen the light and I am saved!! No longer am I the miserable wretch I was. I will never again ask one of the women I impregnate outside the bonds of my marriage to have an abortion!” They will forgive him. Some won’t, though. So… second. If it can be demonstrated that Michael Cohen 1) threatened Stormy with bodily harm or some other action in an effort to 2) silence her ahead of the election, and 3) that Cohen was doing so at Trump’s behest, then Trump has got quite a problem on his hands with an illegal campaign contribution. So far as I can see, he’s got only one defense. It’s a pretty shitty defense: “This is normal for me. I always pay off women when I have illicit affairs with them, so you can’t prove that I did it expressly to hush them up and influence the outcome of the election.” Obviously, this means having to reveal the details of his many, many affairs and how much he paid each one off to keep them quiet. Might be a winning strategy to avoid an illegal campaign contribution charge, but probably not so appealing to the public. ---
**Author:** ![jasg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f0a364/32.png) [@jasg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jasg)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2018, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-sued-by-stormy-daniels-over-hush-payment/810163/298 "2018-03-25T23:30:35Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > I almost feel like I’m getting suckered in to some Facebook/Fox style clickbait, but if my crappy antenna will pick up CBS tonight, I may tune in. or you can read the CBS transcript - [Original 60 Minutes Stormy Daniels interview: Full video and transcript of Anderson Cooper discussing Daniels' alleged Donald Trump affair - CBS News](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/stormy-daniels-describes-her-alleged-affair-with-donald-trump-60-minutes-interview/) ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2018, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-sued-by-stormy-daniels-over-hush-payment/810163/299 "2018-03-25T23:36:20Z")
From my reading of the transcript, no giant bombshells. But still some interesting points: -There was only one sexual encounter, according to Daniels. -He pursued her afterwards, suggesting a chance she could get on the Apprentice, but she didn’t believe him and didn’t give in to his advances. -A few years later, she was paid to give a tabloid interview. The interview was never published, and shortly afterwards she was with her infant daughter and threatened in a parking lot, with the one who threatened her specifically telling her to be quiet about Trump, and suggesting something bad would happen to her if she wasn’t quiet. -Trump attorney Cohen’s payment of Daniels violates election law (according to election law expert Trevor Potter), and both Cohen and Trump could be at legal risk for it. -More strong suggestion that there is electronic image/video/audio evidence in Daniels’ and her attorney’s possession, but no specifics. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2018, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-sued-by-stormy-daniels-over-hush-payment/810163/300 "2018-03-25T23:37:08Z")
> [@jasg](#): > > or you can read the CBS transcript - [Original 60 Minutes Stormy Daniels interview: Full video and transcript of Anderson Cooper discussing Daniels' alleged Donald Trump affair - CBS News](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/stormy-daniels-describes-her-alleged-affair-with-donald-trump-60-minutes-interview/) Good lord almighty. I’m reading it, but I gotta stop here: > [@](#): > > Stormy Daniels: Ummm (LAUGH) it started off-- all about him just talking about himself. And he’s like-- "Have you seen my new magazine? > > Anderson Cooper: He was showing you his own picture on the cover of a magazine. > > Stormy Daniels: Right, right. And so I was like, “Does this-- does this normally work for you?” And he looked very taken-- taken back, like, he didn’t really understand what I was saying. Like, I was-- does, just, you know, talking about yourself normally work?" And I was like, “Someone should take that magazine and spank you with it.” (LAUGH) And I’ll never forget the look on his face. He was like– > > Anderson Cooper: What-- what was his look? > > Stormy Daniels: Just, I don’t think anyone’s ever spoken to him like that, especially, you know, a young woman who looked like me. And I said, you know, “Give me that,” and I just remember him going, “You wouldn’t.” “Hand it over.” And-- so he did, and I was like, turn around, drop 'em." > > Anderson Cooper: You-- you told Donald Trump to turn around and take off his pants. > > Stormy Daniels: Yes. > > Anderson Cooper: And did he? > > Stormy Daniels: Yes. So he turned around and pulled his pants down a little – you know had underwear on and stuff and I just gave him a couple swats . . . . and-- from that moment on, he was a completely different person. So, what really started their relationship off was that she spanked him with a photograph of his own face. Whoever is writing our universe: THIS IS TOO ON THE NOSE. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-sued-by-stormy-daniels-over-hush-payment/810163.md?page=14) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-sued-by-stormy-daniels-over-hush-payment/810163.md?page=16)