# Trump sued by Stormy Daniels over hush payment **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [March 7, 2018, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-sued-by-stormy-daniels-over-hush-payment/810163 "2018-03-07T02:36:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 35
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2018, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-sued-by-stormy-daniels-over-hush-payment/810163/681 "2018-05-04T20:21:28Z")
> [@Drum\_God](#): > > If my father-in-law is any indication, no one in Trump-world cares about any of this. We were discussing this last night. Trump fans don’t care who Trump has sex with. Don’t care who he pays off. Don’t care that he lies about it. Don’t care, don’t care, don’t care. All they care about is this country and they like what Trump has done for the country. > … Just curious…was your father-in-law one of those screaming to impeach Clinton back when lying to the country was a bad thing to do? ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2018, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-sued-by-stormy-daniels-over-hush-payment/810163/682 "2018-05-04T20:26:26Z")
> [@Drum\_God](#): > > … > The seeds for revolution have been planted. But, it’s not Trump Resisters that will revolt. It’s Trump fans. They will see an impeachment as an attack on the duly elected President. Hannity said last night (or was it Sebastian Gorka?), “We won’t be the USA anymore – we’ll be Venezuela or something.” Trumpists are primed to go to war over this. > > … To quote one of the dumber Republicans of semi-recent years, bring it on. > [@Drum\_God](#): > > … > It is difficult for me to see a way forward from here. If we live in a post-fact world, what do we have? If Trumpists don’t care about any of Trump misdeeds, both great and small, what can we do? They’re nearly half the country. And they’ve got guns. Maybe it’s time we had the big bloodletting. See what shakes out. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2018, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-sued-by-stormy-daniels-over-hush-payment/810163/683 "2018-05-04T20:40:34Z")
You gotta remember, the troglodyte American totally believes, down to the spine, that they are the majority. Failing that, the majority of “real” Americans. That’s why they believe in dat ol’ Devil voter fraud. That’s why Il Douche can say Hillary got millions of illegal votes, because they already believe that. They didn’t point and laugh, they nodded and stroked their chin. Brother, if the Democrats were cynical enough and organized enough, and had enough money…to recruit hordes of brown people and move them from polling place to polling place…without screwing it up!..then you might just as well surrender. All your base are belong to us. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2018, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-sued-by-stormy-daniels-over-hush-payment/810163/684 "2018-05-04T20:54:38Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > Yep. And just how many ‘fixer’ attorneys does Trump have and what has been fixed? > > **Mueller has just asked for 70 subpoenas that he can fill out. My thought is “is that all”?** > > They are a bunch of crooks we know that. The subpoenas pertain only to the Manafort case, and they are subpoenas for witnesses. Meaning trial prep. Don’t let this bother you. It’s very routine. ---
**Author:** ![Drum\_God](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drum_god/32/44_2.png) [@Drum\_God](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drum_God)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2018, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-sued-by-stormy-daniels-over-hush-payment/810163/685 "2018-05-04T21:01:24Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > Just curious…was your father-in-law one of those screaming to impeach Clinton back when lying to the country was a bad thing to do? I don’t remember. I’ll have to ask. We didn’t live near them during most of the Clinton years, so I our interactions were more limited. Now, my father-in-law lives in my house, so the opportunity for these conversations is vastly increased. I do know one thing, though. If he says that Clinton should have been impeached, he will point out that what Clinton did, both the affair and the lie, happened while he was actually president. Whatever Trump did happened before he was president. That will be all the difference he needs. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2018, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-sued-by-stormy-daniels-over-hush-payment/810163/686 "2018-05-04T21:35:19Z")
> [@Drum\_God](#): > > I don’t remember. I’ll have to ask. We didn’t live near them during most of the Clinton years, so I our interactions were more limited. Now, my father-in-law lives in my house, so the opportunity for these conversations is vastly increased. > > I do know one thing, though. If he says that Clinton should have been impeached, he will point out that what Clinton did, both the affair and the lie, happened while he was actually president. Whatever Trump did happened before he was president. That will be all the difference he needs. Of course both the violations of the Emoluments Clause, and the attempts to obstruct justice, all happened (and are happening) AFTER he became president. But no doubt your father-in-law is as skilled at ‘fingers in ears, lalalalala’ as are most Trump fans. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2018, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-sued-by-stormy-daniels-over-hush-payment/810163/687 "2018-05-05T01:31:49Z")
And all of the other things might have started before he was President, but none of them have stopped. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2018, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-sued-by-stormy-daniels-over-hush-payment/810163/688 "2018-05-05T01:57:22Z")
> [@Drum\_God](#): > > I do know one thing, though. If he says that Clinton should have been impeached, he will point out that what Clinton did, both the affair and the lie, happened while he was actually president. Whatever Trump did happened before he was president. That will be all the difference he needs. Trump said on April 5th that he did not know about the payment to Ms. Daniels, and that he did not know where Michael Cohen got the money to make that payment. The affair may have been before Trump’s presidency, but the lie about it was this year. [Cite](http://time.com/5264555/donald-trump-statements-stormy-daniels-payoff/). That may not be good enough for you father-in-law. ---
**Author:** ![Drum\_God](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drum_god/32/44_2.png) [@Drum\_God](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drum_God)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2018, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-sued-by-stormy-daniels-over-hush-payment/810163/689 "2018-05-05T04:09:13Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > Of course both the violations of the Emoluments Clause, and the attempts to obstruct justice, all happened (and are happening) AFTER he became president. > > But no doubt your father-in-law is as skilled at ‘fingers in ears, lalalalala’ as are most Trump fans. Given that FoxNews doesn’t cover those things, he probably doesn’t believe they have happened at all. Actually, Fox does talk about the obstruction allegation, but they then say it never happened. Being president, Trump has the authority to dismiss Comey for any reason, or no reason. My FIL actually thinks that Trump is a crook, but he thinks that all politicians are crooks. Trump is at least better than that bitch Hillary or that N Obama. Yeah, he says “N”. Not “N-word”, just N. Or, if more than one, Ns. For some reason, I find that more offensive than the actual word. (Just so there is no confusion, my wife is not fond of politics, but she does not share her dad’s views at all. My FIL is actually one of the most generous people I know. But, he consistently votes for people who would be just as happy letting him die. Makes me sick.) ---
**Author:** ![Bijou\_Drains](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bijou_drains/32/2814_2.png) [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2018, 12:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-sued-by-stormy-daniels-over-hush-payment/810163/690 "2018-05-05T12:23:44Z")
Cohen had credit line of $774k before the election , must have been a lot of bimbos to pay [Michael Cohen gained access to $774G in credit during 2016 presidential campaign: report – New York Daily News](http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/cohen-access-774g-credit-2016-campaign-report-article-1.3972615) ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2018, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-sued-by-stormy-daniels-over-hush-payment/810163/691 "2018-05-05T19:39:20Z")
> [@Bijou\_Drains](#): > > The Edwards case was a bit different, that money paid to his mistress came from a wealthy member of the Mellon family, Bunny Mellon. > > Trivia: Ms. Mellon was 97 when she made those payments, she lived to be 103. And IIRC, she gave him money that was specifically designated as a personal gift and not campaign funds. Because she explicitly wanted to give him money that was not bound by the rules regarding campaign donations. Although I don’t know how much that matters legally. And she may have regretted it once she found out what he used the money for. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2018, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-sued-by-stormy-daniels-over-hush-payment/810163/692 "2018-05-05T22:07:57Z")
> [@Bijou\_Drains](#): > > Cohen had credit line of $774k before the election , must have been a lot of bimbos to pay > > [Michael Cohen gained access to $774G in credit during 2016 presidential campaign: report – New York Daily News](http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/cohen-access-774g-credit-2016-campaign-report-article-1.3972615) Bimbos–and (or) hackers. There’s speculation that Cohen was tasked with paying the troll-factory workers, in various locales. Serbia, St. Petersburg (Russia, not Florida), etc. > [@Drum\_God](#): > > Given that FoxNews doesn’t cover those things, he probably doesn’t believe they have happened at all. Actually, Fox does talk about the obstruction allegation, but they then say it never happened. Being president, Trump has the authority to dismiss Comey for any reason, or no reason. Of course, what Fox News fails to tell him is that a president’s power to fire does _not_ extend to firings done with “corrupt intent”–such as an attempt to save himself from facing the consequences of his own improper or unlawful actions. This is actually established law–not that Fox News would ever breath a word of it. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2018, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-sued-by-stormy-daniels-over-hush-payment/810163/693 "2018-05-05T22:47:45Z")
Il Douche was blessed by this scandal, its manna from Hell. Bill Cosby shocked America a lot more than Stormy Daniels, Mother I’d Love to Forget, ever will. Not even the pickle up the butt God-disturbers care! Its a distraction, a loud, neon mirage. If he doesn’t love it, he should. JFK, for instance. Rumors swirled about his randy womanizing and I don’t think he worked that hard to dissuade anybody. It polished his image of youthful vigor. Marilyn Monroe singing sultry “Happy Birthday” to him was a stroke of pure political genius. But “Blue Collar Billionaire”? That’s poetry. Dark, evil poetry. And this just feeds right into it. Gives him “guy cred”, like telling stories about working construction on his Daddy’s project. Just so long as we aren’t confronted with the details of their, ah, encounter… ---
**Author:** ![Bijou\_Drains](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bijou_drains/32/2814_2.png) [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2018, 11:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-sued-by-stormy-daniels-over-hush-payment/810163/694 "2018-05-06T11:12:16Z")
she was on the opening skit last night about Trump ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2018, 11:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-sued-by-stormy-daniels-over-hush-payment/810163/695 "2018-05-07T11:36:07Z")
Here’s how the Facebook Reich Wing Gestapo is spinning this (actual post from a group I won’t name follows): > [@](#): > > Michael Avenatti is the attorney for Stormy Daniels. His Bio reads: > “Michael worked at a political opposition research and media firm run by Rahm Emmanuel who was Obama’s White House Chief of Staff and is presently the Mayor of Chicago. During his time there, Michael worked on over 150 Democrat (sic) campaigns in 42 states, including many gubernatorial and congressional campaigns including Joe Biden’s US Senate Campaign.” > > Since it appears Micheal (sic) Avenatti and pornstar Stormy Daniels are being paid by Obama’s group Organizing for Action, is it enough proof the Democratic Party is behind this? Okay, doing anything for any Democrat at any time in your life makes it impossible for you to take legal action without being paid for and directed by Obama. Got it. ---
**Author:** ![Bijou\_Drains](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bijou_drains/32/2814_2.png) [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2018, 12:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-sued-by-stormy-daniels-over-hush-payment/810163/696 "2018-05-07T12:13:50Z")
Cohen may have paid off other women too, says the really bad new lawyer for Trump [https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/06/politics/giuliani-cohen-payment-trump-allegations/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/06/politics/giuliani-cohen-payment-trump-allegations/index.html) ---
**Author:** ![Delicious](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@Delicious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Delicious)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2018, 12:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-sued-by-stormy-daniels-over-hush-payment/810163/697 "2018-05-07T12:47:37Z")
Would it count as campaign funding if they claimed that the hush payments were made to save Trump’s marriage? Probably far too late for such a claim to be credible but it seems like the obvious excuse to me ---
**Author:** ![Crotalus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crotalus/32/41_2.png) [@Crotalus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crotalus)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2018, 1:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-sued-by-stormy-daniels-over-hush-payment/810163/698 "2018-05-07T13:03:51Z")
> [@Delicious](#): > > Would it count as campaign funding if they claimed that the hush payments were made to save Trump’s marriage? > > Probably far too late for such a claim to be credible but it seems like the obvious excuse to me Guiliani has already made that exact claim. See quote #26 in this [Politico recap](https://www.politico.com/story/2018/05/03/giuliani-quotes-trump-stormy-daniels-566109). ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2018, 1:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-sued-by-stormy-daniels-over-hush-payment/810163/699 "2018-05-07T13:28:11Z")
I mean, is there any chance Trump hired a man who can’t help but send his buddies at the SDNY tips about this criminal case he’s now in charge of? Could he just be freaking out “Holy Hell! I used to be AG at the SDNY and now I’m repping the biggest criminal organization in America!”? Or maybe his career instincts of exposing the bad guys makes him a singularly bad choice to head a criminal defense team? Going from SDNYAG to leading the defense of Trump is a fair amount of distance from previously-espoused virtues and does seem an odd career turn to make (to me - it could be common practice for ex USAG’s to rep criminals, for all I know.) And such a career change is probably made best before your 70s, imho. ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2018, 1:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-sued-by-stormy-daniels-over-hush-payment/810163/700 "2018-05-07T13:30:47Z")
> [@Bijou\_Drains](#): > > she was on the opening skit last night about Trump “Donald, I know you don’t believe in climate change, but there’s a storm comin’.” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-sued-by-stormy-daniels-over-hush-payment/810163.md?page=34) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-sued-by-stormy-daniels-over-hush-payment/810163.md?page=36)