# Trump sued by Stormy Daniels over hush payment **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [March 7, 2018, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-sued-by-stormy-daniels-over-hush-payment/810163 "2018-03-07T02:36:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2018, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-sued-by-stormy-daniels-over-hush-payment/810163/101 "2018-03-09T22:21:21Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > Yep cheating on his Wife isn’t going to bother his base one bit. To them, it just shows what a man he is. Just as long as there’s no blowjob involved. Gotta draw the line somewhere. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2018, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-sued-by-stormy-daniels-over-hush-payment/810163/102 "2018-03-09T22:23:29Z")
> [@Johnny\_Ace](#): > > Tom Steyer should offer to cover Stormy’s million-dollar penalty if she publishes her book (with a ghost writer, I’m sure). Sure. Hell, let her go ahead and tell and show everything. Let Trump sue her if he dares - he’ll have to testify that it’s all true. ---
**Author:** ![Gorsnak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gorsnak/32/7587_2.png) [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2018, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-sued-by-stormy-daniels-over-hush-payment/810163/103 "2018-03-09T22:45:26Z")
This whole stormy thing seems terribly overblown. It’s really just a tempest in a d-cup. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2018, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-sued-by-stormy-daniels-over-hush-payment/810163/104 "2018-03-09T23:57:20Z")
> [@Gorsnak](#): > > This whole stormy thing seems terribly overblown. It’s really just a tempest in a d-cup. Nyuk nyuk nyuk…except, of course, for violating federal election law. ---
**Author:** ![Anny\_Middon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/bc79bd/32.png) [@Anny\_Middon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anny_Middon)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2018, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-sued-by-stormy-daniels-over-hush-payment/810163/105 "2018-03-10T00:03:33Z")
> [@Bayard](#): > > So, to sum up, Daniels shared the texts, and possibly dick pics, from Trump with four people: her then-boyfriend (now ex-husband), two porn actresses, and one photographer. This was a number of years ago, and I think it’s unlikely that any of them kept the texts/pics. Who wants to carry around pics of Donald Trump’s dick for a decade? But, I’ve been wrong about everything for the past few years, so what do I know? I agree the texts are probably gone. But if pics were involved, who knows? Trump was somewhat of a celebrity back then. So I can see it going like this: “Hey, Alice, I’m friends with Stormy Daniels and she sent me a pic of Trump’s dick. You want me to text it to you?” … (Later) “Hey, Butch, you know that friend of mine who’s friends with Stormy Daniels? Well, she sent me a pic…” Etc., etc. If there were hundreds of copies of the pic shared, I think there’s a good chance there are a couple still out there. Plus, of course, it’s certainly possible that one of the original recipients collects Celebrity Dick Pics. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2018, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-sued-by-stormy-daniels-over-hush-payment/810163/106 "2018-03-10T00:12:22Z")
> [@Bijou\_Drains](#): > > why would anyone want to bang a porn star? Plenty of other hot blondes with big fake boobs that have not been banged by a ton of men. Because they are renting, not buying. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2018, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-sued-by-stormy-daniels-over-hush-payment/810163/107 "2018-03-10T01:27:51Z")
I think that if the picture was taken 10 years or so ago - in the pre-cloud days- it’s likely that it was stored on a computer somewhere. And a lot of people just move everything from old computer to new computer every time they upgrade. ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2018, 6:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-sued-by-stormy-daniels-over-hush-payment/810163/108 "2018-03-10T06:29:36Z")
Can anyone with legal experience verify if this reddit post is correct? > **[r/politics - Michael Cohen Says He Borrowed Against His Home Equity to Pay...](https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/83c3da/comment/dvgrfia/)** > > 1,326 votes and 135 comments so far on Reddit Extended version of the post. > **[r/politics - Watchdog group wants federal probe into porn actress payment](https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/838c18/comment/dvggqvy/)** > > 1,328 votes and 22 comments so far on Reddit It is based on the podcast ‘Stormy Daniels is a legal genius’. > **[OA154: Stormy Daniels is a Legal Genius](https://open.spotify.com/episode/6euE5v0wTu3EyD1GtNNXdw)** > > Listen to this episode from Opening Arguments on Spotify. This emergency episode examines the Complaint filed by Stormy Daniels seeking a legal determination that the Settlement Agreement entered into between her, Donald Trump's lawyer, and... I can’t just cut and paste the entire post, but suffice it to say here is a synopsis: Either Trump admits he isn’t the person in the NDA (meaning Stormy is free to talk about Trump) or he is the person in the NDA. If he is the person in the NDA, the NDA is invalid because adultery is a crime in NY state. NDAs can’t cover up crimes. Trump also opens himself up to fraud and obstruction charges in this case. Basically, the claim is there is no way the NDA is legal. Either it isn’t about Trump, or if it is it was used to cover up the crime of adultery in NY state (making it null and void). Plus since Trump can only pardon federal crimes, he has no recourse against being charged in NY state for fraud, obstruction and possibly using campaign funds illegally. Also they brought suit in a way that makes it hard to throw the case out. Does anyone know if this is all true? I hope so. If Trump and his attorney are getting their asses handed to them by a porn star and her attorney, imagine what Mueller can do. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2018, 6:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-sued-by-stormy-daniels-over-hush-payment/810163/109 "2018-03-10T06:52:14Z")
> [@Wesley\_Clark](#): > > Can anyone with legal experience verify if this reddit post is correct? > > [Reddit - The heart of the internet](https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/83c3da/michael_cohen_says_he_borrowed_against_his_home/dvgrfia/) > > Extended version of the post. > > [Reddit - The heart of the internet](https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/838c18/watchdog_group_wants_federal_probe_into_porn/dvggqvy/) > > It is based on the podcast ‘Stormy Daniels is a legal genius’. > > [Spotify – Web Player](https://open.spotify.com/episode/6euE5v0wTu3EyD1GtNNXdw) > > I can’t just cut and paste the entire post, but suffice it to say here is a synopsis: > > Either Trump admits he isn’t the person in the NDA (meaning Stormy is free to talk about Trump) or he is the person in the NDA. > > If he is the person in the NDA, the NDA is invalid because adultery is a crime in NY state. NDAs can’t cover up crimes. Trump also opens himself up to fraud and obstruction charges in this case. > > Basically, the claim is there is no way the NDA is legal. Either it isn’t about Trump, or if it is it was used to cover up the crime of adultery in NY state (making it null and void). Plus since Trump can only pardon federal crimes, he has no recourse against being charged in NY state for fraud, obstruction and possibly using campaign funds illegally. > > Also they brought suit in a way that makes it hard to throw the case out. > > Does anyone know if this is all true? I hope so. If Trump and his attorney are getting their asses handed to them by a porn star and her attorney, imagine what Mueller can do. I think it’s mostly about her new attorney being a badass, and that she shopped it around until she found somebody good who’d take the case. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2018, 7:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-sued-by-stormy-daniels-over-hush-payment/810163/110 "2018-03-10T07:48:08Z")
> [@Wesley\_Clark](#): > > If he is the person in the NDA, the NDA is invalid because adultery is a crime in NY state. NDAs can’t cover up crimes. It’s sounded to me like the encounters between Daniels and Trump (if they occurred) didn’t happen in New York. In digging through a few articles, I see mention of Lake Tahoe, and the bungalow at the Beverly Hills Hotel. I also seem to recall that their interactions allegedly centered around a period of time when he was in Los Angeles for filming of _The Apprentice_, when it was moved there from New York. IANAL, but if he committed adultery, I don’t know if his state of residence is relevant; my suspicion is that the state in which the act occurred would be where the laws would apply. ---
**Author:** ![Novelty\_Bobble](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Novelty\_Bobble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Novelty_Bobble)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2018, 8:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-sued-by-stormy-daniels-over-hush-payment/810163/111 "2018-03-10T08:20:09Z")
> [@Wesley\_Clark](#): > > adultery is a crime in NY state. wait…what?..seriously? ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2018, 8:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-sued-by-stormy-daniels-over-hush-payment/810163/112 "2018-03-10T08:32:59Z")
> [@Novelty\_Bobble](#): > > wait…what?..seriously? [Apparently so.](https://www.dbnylaw.com/adultery-is-still-a-crime-in-new-york-state/) > [@](#): > > Believe it or not, Adultery is still a crime in New York State. Penal Law 255.17 states that a person is guilty of adultery when he/she engages in sexual intercourse with another person at a time when he/she has a living spouse. Adultery is classified as a Class B misdemeanor. ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2018, 1:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-sued-by-stormy-daniels-over-hush-payment/810163/113 "2018-03-10T13:31:27Z")
> [@Bijou\_Drains](#): > > why would anyone want to bang a porn star? Plenty of other hot blondes with big fake boobs that have not been banged by a ton of men. > [@Morgenstern](#): > > Because they are renting, not buying. Was Trump paying Daniels for each hook-up? I can’t understand why Stormy Daniels, or any 28 year old woman for that matter, would want to bang Trump. we really really need a puke smiley ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2018, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-sued-by-stormy-daniels-over-hush-payment/810163/114 "2018-03-10T13:37:50Z")
> [@BlankSlate](#): > > Was Trump paying Daniels for each hook-up? > > I can’t understand why Stormy Daniels, or any 28 year old woman for that matter, would want to bang Trump. we really really need a puke smiley There are billions of reasons. Allegedly. ---
**Author:** ![PatrickLondon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/patricklondon/32/4422_2.png) [@PatrickLondon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatrickLondon)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2018, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-sued-by-stormy-daniels-over-hush-payment/810163/115 "2018-03-10T13:53:15Z")
> [@Anny\_Middon](#): > > If there were hundreds of copies of the pic shared, I think there’s a good chance there are a couple still out there. > > Plus, of course, it’s certainly possible that one of the original recipients collects Celebrity Dick Pics. But unless it’s a full-length photo including the face, and not obviously Photoshopped, how would anyone know who it is? Of course if he then wanted to maintain that it wasn’t him, that might raise the entertaining prospect of himself having to submit to inspection under cross-examination. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2018, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-sued-by-stormy-daniels-over-hush-payment/810163/116 "2018-03-10T15:24:46Z")
> [@PatrickLondon](#): > > But unless it’s a full-length photo including the face, and not obviously Photoshopped, how would anyone know who it is? Of course if he then wanted to maintain that it wasn’t him, that might raise the entertaining prospect of himself having to submit to inspection under cross-examination. If Stormy released a pic of a HHUUUGE wang, trump will of course say, “yep that’s me” Treason, Obstruction of Justice, money laundering seems OK with our congress. AND is OK with the people that voted this asshole into office. I fear for our future. ---
**Author:** ![Maserschmidt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maserschmidt/32/18829_2.png) [@Maserschmidt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maserschmidt)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2018, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-sued-by-stormy-daniels-over-hush-payment/810163/117 "2018-03-10T15:59:32Z")
> [@kenobi\_65](#): > > It’s sounded to me like the encounters between Daniels and Trump (if they occurred) didn’t happen in New York. In digging through a few articles, I see mention of Lake Tahoe, and the bungalow at the Beverly Hills Hotel. > > I also seem to recall that their interactions allegedly centered around a period of time when he was in Los Angeles for filming of _The Apprentice_, when it was moved there from New York. > > IANAL, but if he committed adultery, I don’t know if his state of residence is relevant; my suspicion is that the state in which the act occurred would be where the laws would apply. Per some of the posts above, it’s less about adultery, and more likely going to hinge on the campaign finance violation, which appears to have been paid (based on her lawyer last night on CNN) out of Cohen’s NYC office. Of course, and IANAL, if Cohen really did mortgage his house for the payment, and they can’t connect it directly to campaign funds, it sounds like he’d be the one going down for campaign finance violations, not Trump. ---
**Author:** ![Uniqueorn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uniqueorn/32/2807_2.png) [@Uniqueorn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uniqueorn)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2018, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-sued-by-stormy-daniels-over-hush-payment/810163/118 "2018-03-10T16:11:30Z")
> [@BlankSlate](#): > > Was Trump paying Daniels for each hook-up? > > I can’t understand why Stormy Daniels, or any 28 year old woman for that matter, would want to bang Trump. we really really need a puke smiley As someone on another board said: “Got to pee, might as well get paid for it.” ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2018, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-sued-by-stormy-daniels-over-hush-payment/810163/119 "2018-03-10T17:52:19Z")
> [@Maserschmidt](#): > > Per some of the posts above, it’s less about adultery, and more likely going to hinge on the campaign finance violation, which appears to have been paid (based on her lawyer last night on CNN) out of Cohen’s NYC office. I completely agree. I was replying to Wesley Clark, whose post asked: > [@Wesley Clark](#): > > If he is the person in the NDA, the NDA is invalid because adultery is a crime in NY state. NDAs can’t cover up crimes. From what I can tell, her allegations are that they had sex in Lake Tahoe, and possibly Beverly Hills, so any New York state laws about adultery wouldn’t be relevant, I don’t think. ---
**Author:** ![Bijou\_Drains](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bijou_drains/32/2814_2.png) [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2018, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-sued-by-stormy-daniels-over-hush-payment/810163/120 "2018-03-10T18:48:34Z")
6 states still allow a spouse to sue over adultery but CA and NV are not in the 6 , the spouse sues the other woman/man . [Alienation of affections - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alienation_of_affections) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-sued-by-stormy-daniels-over-hush-payment/810163.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-sued-by-stormy-daniels-over-hush-payment/810163.md?page=7)