# Trump sued by Stormy Daniels over hush payment **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [March 7, 2018, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-sued-by-stormy-daniels-over-hush-payment/810163 "2018-03-07T02:36:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Renee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/renee/32/287_2.png) [@Renee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Renee)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2018, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-sued-by-stormy-daniels-over-hush-payment/810163/161 "2018-03-14T18:13:18Z")
I think a “watersports” video might also give them pause. I keep hearing how the allegations in the Steele dossier regarding the pee tape prove that the whole thing is completely made up. Apparently, that sort of thing is COMPLETELY out of character for Dear Leader. A porn star pee tape might erode that narrative a bit. ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2018, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-sued-by-stormy-daniels-over-hush-payment/810163/162 "2018-03-14T18:58:49Z")
Daniels has launched a crowdfunding appeal to cover her legal costs. [Stormy Daniels Launches Fundraising Site to Fight Trump ‘Hush Agreement’](https://www.thedailybeast.com/stormy-daniels-launches-fundraising-site-to-fight-trump-hush-agreement) I think she may just have a chance of meeting her goal. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2018, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-sued-by-stormy-daniels-over-hush-payment/810163/163 "2018-03-14T19:08:14Z")
> [@Renee](#): > > I think a “watersports” video might also give them pause. I keep hearing how the allegations in the Steele dossier regarding the pee tape prove that the whole thing is completely made up. Apparently, that sort of thing is COMPLETELY out of character for Dear Leader. A porn star pee tape might erode that narrative a bit. Anything “unmanly” (like video confirming the reports of Stormy spanking his orange butt with a rolled-up magazine) is likely to be far more damaging than the sex scandal per se. ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2018, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-sued-by-stormy-daniels-over-hush-payment/810163/164 "2018-03-14T19:43:13Z")
Guys, the people who support Trump _do not care!_ He made the claim that he could shoot someone on 5th Avenue in broad daylight and his supporters wouldn’t abandon him, and for everything we’ve seen that appears to be the one true statement he has made since the campaign began. Trump could be pictured fucking a goat while Russian hookers shit on him and Stormy Daniels shoves a rolled up copy of Women’s Day magazine up his asshole, and his supporters would be split only on whether it was “fake news” or that it showed what a tough guy Trump actually is. The fantasy that his die-hard supporters are going to start fleeing him like rats from a sinking ship is not grounded in any evidence whatsoever. They love the fact that he is a disgusting slimeball of a human being and tout his ‘ratings’ as evidence that he must be doing something right even though by every objective measure he has basically floundered since his inauguration and then tried to lie in a manner more transparent than a three year old to conceal his failures. Stranger ---
**Author:** ![HookerChemical](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/278dde/32.png) [@HookerChemical](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HookerChemical)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2018, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-sued-by-stormy-daniels-over-hush-payment/810163/165 "2018-03-14T20:19:06Z")
My understanding is that there are several issues raised by the NDA. I’m getting most of this from the Opening Arguments discussion of it already linked to in this thread. [ol] [li]The payment of the 130k by Cohen was not reported as a campaign contribution.[/li]Therefore the 130k should have been reported and it’s a campaign finance violation. There’s also an ethical issue that lawyers aren’t supposed to loan or give their clients money, which will have repercussions on Cohen. [li]The arbitration clause may be unenforceable under California Law[/li]The arbitration clause is unreasonably one sided, and California is pretty tough on arbitration clauses like that. The most obvious example is that it allows DD to select the state. [li]The Arbitration Clause can only be invoked by DD[/li]Notice how I said “allows DD to select the state?” That’s because the only person that can bring action is DD. (This restriction is also part of the one sided nature of the arbitration clause.) Cohen can’t bring arbitration, but the arbitration finding silencing PP was brought by Cohen and not DD. [li]Even if the Arbitration Clause is valid, only DD can receive the million dollar relief[/li]So even if everything up to this point turns up Donald (err…DD), he’s effectively outed as party to the NDA and caught in the web of undisclosed contributions. [/ol] ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2018, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-sued-by-stormy-daniels-over-hush-payment/810163/166 "2018-03-15T02:41:34Z")
Stormy Daniels’s attorney was on MSNBC. He was asked if there was video of Trump and Daniels having sex. He pointedly refused to answer the question. > **[Stormy Daniels Lawyer Dodges Q’s On Possible Sex Tape: ‘Could Be, Might Be’](https://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/stormy-daniels-lawyer-dodges-qs-on-possible-sex-tape-could-be-might-be)** > > Adult film actress Stephanie Clifford's attorney refused to say on Wednesday whether or not video exists of her and President Donald Trump’s alleged affair. Clifford, who goes by Stormy Daniels… So, if you ever wanted to see Trump’s flabby body mashing up against a much younger woman, and if you ever wanted to see Trump engaging in watersports and possibly other fetish play, you may be in luck! ---
**Author:** ![pdhenry](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pdhenry/32/5561_2.png) [@pdhenry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pdhenry)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2018, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-sued-by-stormy-daniels-over-hush-payment/810163/167 "2018-03-15T03:11:18Z")
At this stage of the game, pointedly refusing to answer that question is probably the best option regardless of the true answer. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2018, 6:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-sued-by-stormy-daniels-over-hush-payment/810163/168 "2018-03-15T06:37:39Z")
> [@Bayard](#): > > Stormy Daniels’s attorney was on MSNBC. He was asked if there was video of Trump and Daniels having sex. He pointedly refused to answer the question. > > [Stormy Daniels Lawyer Dodges Q’s On Possible Sex Tape: ‘Could Be, Might Be’ - TPM – Talking Points Memo](https://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/stormy-daniels-lawyer-dodges-qs-on-possible-sex-tape-could-be-might-be) > > So, if you ever wanted to see Trump’s flabby body mashing up against a much younger woman, and if you ever wanted to see Trump engaging in watersports and possibly other fetish play, you may be in luck! Trump’s mortification and an investigation into election law violations are more than enough for me. ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Feldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lord_feldon/32/341_2.png) [@Lord\_Feldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Feldon)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2018, 7:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-sued-by-stormy-daniels-over-hush-payment/810163/169 "2018-03-15T07:50:44Z")
My assumption, or maybe what I mean is _hope_, is that the media (whatever it is) is just of the two of them, clothed, in social settings that make it obvious that they had a relationship for a substantial period of time. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2018, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-sued-by-stormy-daniels-over-hush-payment/810163/170 "2018-03-16T00:26:06Z")
> [@Bayard](#): > > … So, if you ever wanted to see Trump’s flabby body mashing up against a much younger woman, and if you ever wanted to see Trump engaging in watersports and possibly other fetish play, you may be in luck! The moment it’s confirmed that such a tape is coming out: sell your stock in Weight Watchers, Jenny Craig, and Nutrisystem IMMEDIATELY. No one will need the services of any such company, ever again, if they’ve got the Trump Tape available to induce nausea whenever hunger arises. Just three seconds of viewing the Trump tape, and hunger pangs are banished! ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2018, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-sued-by-stormy-daniels-over-hush-payment/810163/171 "2018-03-16T03:40:02Z")
Should also work well for birth control; who’d be in the mood after seeing that? ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2018, 4:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-sued-by-stormy-daniels-over-hush-payment/810163/172 "2018-03-16T04:40:02Z")
Now I don’t want to be judgmental and I realize I have views that are somewhat old fashioned, but I’m going to say that cheating on your wife when she’s pregnant with your child is immoral, even if you’re doing it with a porn star. Trump voters disagree though. Or rather, only about half agree with that contention. The remainder disagrees or isn’t sure. [https://twitter.com/MattNegrin/status/974108899853860864](https://twitter.com/MattNegrin/status/974108899853860864) > **[Only Half Of Trump Voters Say Affair With Porn Actress Would Be Immoral](https://www.yahoo.com/news/only-half-trump-voters-affair-195613225.html)** > > The other half say it would not be or they are not sure. In fact, most Trump voters consider the President to be role model. When asked if they think the term, “Moral leader” describes Trump, 83% agree - either somewhat, very or extremely. [http://big.assets.huffingtonpost.com/tabsHPStormyDaniels20180309.pdf](http://big.assets.huffingtonpost.com/tabsHPStormyDaniels20180309.pdf) Now personally I don’t generally think politicians are moral leaders - that’s not really their job. But if Trump voters think that a serial liar and adulterer is the kind of guy they should emulate, that’s useful information. ---
**Author:** ![Uniqueorn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uniqueorn/32/2807_2.png) [@Uniqueorn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uniqueorn)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2018, 8:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-sued-by-stormy-daniels-over-hush-payment/810163/173 "2018-03-16T08:51:15Z")
> [@Measure\_for\_Measure](#): > > Now I don’t want to be judgmental and I realize I have views that are somewhat old fashioned, but I’m going to say that cheating on your wife when she’s pregnant with your child is immoral, even if you’re doing it with a porn star. > > Trump voters disagree though. Or rather, only about half agree with that contention. The remainder disagrees or isn’t sure. [x.com](https://twitter.com/MattNegrin/status/974108899853860864) > > [Only Half Of Trump Voters Say Affair With Porn Actress Would Be Immoral](https://www.yahoo.com/news/only-half-trump-voters-affair-195613225.html) > > In fact, most Trump voters consider the President to be role model. When asked if they think the term, “Moral leader” describes Trump, 83% agree - either somewhat, very or extremely. [http://big.assets.huffingtonpost.com/tabsHPStormyDaniels20180309.pdf](http://big.assets.huffingtonpost.com/tabsHPStormyDaniels20180309.pdf) > > Now personally I don’t generally think politicians are moral leaders - that’s not really their job. But if Trump voters think that a serial liar and adulterer is the kind of guy they should emulate, that’s useful information. I can only imagine that Republican voters add an extra bit to the question in their head, like “Trump is a moral leader in how to deal with Hillary” or something like that. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2018, 11:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-sued-by-stormy-daniels-over-hush-payment/810163/174 "2018-03-16T11:52:56Z")
To be fair, I think we all can compartmentalize our moral judgements some. For example I’d say that JFK was a moral leader despite his known affairs, and even Bill Clinton too, even with his affair with someone who worked for him, likely others, and his lies about it. Other things he did and positions he articulated well and led on matter. Carter’s standing as a moral leader does not depend on his having kept his lust only in his heart. Trump is morally bankrupt and repugnant to my mind for reasons _other_ than having an affair or many of them. ---
**Author:** ![Isamu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/7c8e57/32.png) [@Isamu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Isamu)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2018, 12:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-sued-by-stormy-daniels-over-hush-payment/810163/175 "2018-03-16T12:06:36Z")
He’s a muppet to have allowed this bullshit to even come to light. No one respects him. It’s a big fucking joke. ---
**Author:** ![Bijou\_Drains](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bijou_drains/32/2814_2.png) [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2018, 12:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-sued-by-stormy-daniels-over-hush-payment/810163/176 "2018-03-16T12:11:04Z")
her lawyer said on MSNBC today that she was physically threatened to keep quiet ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2018, 1:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-sued-by-stormy-daniels-over-hush-payment/810163/177 "2018-03-16T13:36:27Z")
> [@Isamu](#): > > He’s a muppet to have allowed this bullshit to even come to light. No one respects him. It’s a big fucking joke. What do you have against muppets? ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2018, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-sued-by-stormy-daniels-over-hush-payment/810163/178 "2018-03-16T14:21:58Z")
> [@Bijou\_Drains](#): > > her lawyer said on MSNBC today that she was physically threatened to keep quiet He made the same claim on CNN. When asked if there was “proof” of the threats, he said “What I’m saying is she’s going to be able to provide very specific details about what happened here.” Hmm. Sounds like maybe no texts or documents, but he thinks her story is very credible. ---
**Author:** ![Bijou\_Drains](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bijou_drains/32/2814_2.png) [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2018, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-sued-by-stormy-daniels-over-hush-payment/810163/179 "2018-03-16T15:02:22Z")
she’s scheduled for 60 minutes on March 25th. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2018, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-sued-by-stormy-daniels-over-hush-payment/810163/180 "2018-03-16T15:37:45Z")
> [@Bijou\_Drains](#): > > she’s scheduled for 60 minutes on March 25th. Wow, congrats on scoring a date with her! Let us know if she has a Trump magazine to spank you with. 😉 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-sued-by-stormy-daniels-over-hush-payment/810163.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-sued-by-stormy-daniels-over-hush-payment/810163.md?page=10)