# Trump support collapses in counties with COVID surges **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [July 7, 2020, 1:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-support-collapses-in-counties-with-covid-surges/914610 "2020-07-07T13:01:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2020, 1:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-support-collapses-in-counties-with-covid-surges/914610/1 "2020-07-07T13:01:57Z")
> **[Trump's approval rating plunges in 500 counties with surging coronavirus cases](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election/trump-approval-rating-coronavirus-cases-rising-covid-states-biden-election-a9604456.html)** > > President continues to lose support in parts of the country where Covid-19 is rapidly spreading It’s unfortunate that Americans don’t really start paying attention to politics until a disaster strikes them personally, but this is the way it’s been for a while. In any case, COVID appears to be changing the game. Bigly. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2020, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-support-collapses-in-counties-with-covid-surges/914610/2 "2020-07-07T18:49:04Z")
Interesting. I’m in a county in Wisconsin that went about 51-49 for Clinton in 2016 — in other words, deep purple, like the state as a whole. We had good behavior and low infection rates until three or four weeks ago. Infections started to climb (though this week they seem to be tapering off; and, almost no deaths so far). So, we’re one of those counties, it seems. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2020, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-support-collapses-in-counties-with-covid-surges/914610/3 "2020-07-07T19:44:57Z")
It would be interesting to see the correlation between counties that went for Trump in 2016 vs covid infection rates. To see if that voting for Trump leads to not wearing a mask which leads to infection which leads to not voting for Trump. ---
**Author:** ![CairoCarol](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cairocarol/32/3825_2.png) [@CairoCarol](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CairoCarol)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2020, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-support-collapses-in-counties-with-covid-surges/914610/4 "2020-07-07T19:49:28Z")
Don’t get me wrong, I of course really hope we get an effective vaccine ASAP, but my fear is that there will be a breakthrough (genuine or at least potentially genuine) in October 2020 and Trump will claim credit and the drooling masses who were dissatisfied with his handling of the pandemic will suddenly see him as a hero and switch their vote to him. Probably not a likely scenario, but it does worry me. ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2020, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-support-collapses-in-counties-with-covid-surges/914610/5 "2020-07-07T19:56:29Z")
I saw a chart about this very thing on Facebook earlier today. I did not click it to assess its reliability, but I suspect a little Googling would find it for you and you could judge for yourself. ---
**Author:** ![CairoCarol](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cairocarol/32/3825_2.png) [@CairoCarol](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CairoCarol)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2020, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-support-collapses-in-counties-with-covid-surges/914610/6 "2020-07-07T20:13:08Z")
This article may shed some light: > **[Analysis | Coronavirus has come to Trump country](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/06/17/coronavirus-has-come-trump-country/)** > > After being centered in blue states, cases are now being added faster in red ones. I don’t think it’s behind a paywall (I think WaPo is making all its Covid coverage available to all, or is that Wired or NYT? I can’t remember) but apologies if it is. The gist of it is that originally blue states were much harder hit, and even in states that were red overall, blue counties were worse off. However, that is changing. Graphs in the article show a stark contrast, by either county or state, in the development of new cases. Blue states and counties are overall going down and red states and counties are overall going up (it’s not a smooth progression in either case, of course; there are a lot of spikes and volatility even when the overall trend is upward or downward). One interesting point the article makes is that Trump’s decision to move the GOP convention from South Carolina (to punish the state for its insistence on pandemic-prevention measures) to Florida (which has been more lax) may end up to be a big strategic error, inasmuch as measures/lack of measures may mean that when convention time rolls around, SC will have reduced cases whereas Florida is going to be a shitshow. ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2020, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-support-collapses-in-counties-with-covid-surges/914610/7 "2020-07-07T20:58:40Z")
Isn’t this the standard “the President tends to get blamed when things are bad”? ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2020, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-support-collapses-in-counties-with-covid-surges/914610/8 "2020-07-07T21:07:01Z")
> [@Leaper](#): > > Isn’t this the standard “the President tends to get blamed when things are bad”? From the article in the OP: > The vast majority of new cases — 75 percent — were in states that went to Mr Trump in 2016. As long as Trump voters start turning against him, who really cares why? ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2020, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-support-collapses-in-counties-with-covid-surges/914610/9 "2020-07-07T21:17:48Z")
> [@Leaper](#): > > Isn’t this the standard “the President tends to get blamed when things are bad”? No it is not. Trump has taken actions, made decisions, and issued public statements that have caused many of the problems we are now experiencing. And he is refusing to admit he was wrong and reverse his earlier mistakes. This is a case of the President getting blamed for things the President did and is continuing to do. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2020, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-support-collapses-in-counties-with-covid-surges/914610/10 "2020-07-07T21:20:33Z")
There’s a lot of hype about a vaccine before the end of the year, but it won’t happen - no way it’ll happen in time to save Trump. His best hope is that his fanboys have an awakening and really begin taking the virus seriously in spite of what he says - that and continued improvements in treatment, which is something that _could_ and probably will improve to some degree between now and then. ---
**Author:** ![Marvin\_the\_Martian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/marvin_the_martian/32/2898_2.png) [@Marvin\_the\_Martian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marvin_the_Martian)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2020, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-support-collapses-in-counties-with-covid-surges/914610/11 "2020-07-07T21:31:40Z")
> [@CairoCarol](#): > > One interesting point the article makes is that Trump’s decision to move the GOP convention from South Carolina (to punish the state for its insistence on pandemic-prevention measures) to Florida (which has been more lax) may end up to be a big strategic error, inasmuch as measures/lack of measures may mean that when convention time rolls around, SC will have reduced cases whereas Florida is going to be a shitshow. Nitpick: North Carolina ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2020, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-support-collapses-in-counties-with-covid-surges/914610/12 "2020-07-07T21:56:31Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > His best hope is that his fanboys have an awakening and really begin taking the virus seriously in spite of what he says Trump’s best hope is that his supporters realize he’s full of shit and stop listening to him? I don’t see how that’s going to end up working out well for Trump. ---
**Author:** ![CairoCarol](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cairocarol/32/3825_2.png) [@CairoCarol](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CairoCarol)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2020, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-support-collapses-in-counties-with-covid-surges/914610/13 "2020-07-07T22:10:18Z")
> [@Marvin\_the\_Martian](#): > > Nitpick: North Carolina And a well-deserved one. I once managed to eliminate any hope I might have had for getting a job with a national association of state chambers of commerce by dropping a line, as I was on my way out the door, about some recent event in North Carolina, or, as I said at the time, while my paralyzed brain looked on in horror at what my tongue was doing “…Or, was it South Carolina? I’m not sure. Oh well, who knows, can’t tell the difference anyway. Oh my, what did I just say? Well, there goes any chance I had of getting this job!” I slunk away and drove home, mortified. You will be shocked to hear that they never called me. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2020, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-support-collapses-in-counties-with-covid-surges/914610/14 "2020-07-07T23:29:40Z")
Somebody from Goldman Sachs said today that perhaps the best path forward is for masks to be mandatory, and everybody go back to work. I’ve heard worse ideas (mostly, from the White House). (It’s so typical 2020 to get sound public health advice from a bank.) But I could see an outcome where masks become mandatory nationwide, despite Trump – his becomes the last unmasked face in America – and as he becomes irrelevant, his election prospects diminish likewise. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2020, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-support-collapses-in-counties-with-covid-surges/914610/15 "2020-07-07T23:53:16Z")
I uploaded one here: [![Google Photos](https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/moFvaDeqHK61xYDfnUCX9MJ2CMmx9A5rtfyZAj7TGWsUO_hNwsMxHzB3ZM976wLCbwK5OfpiUTmsZWHgSMRNM2557QnGH2UmiayYoBtE30tXZalD_C3x73SqIimPd0HkNqmZ2eavpg=w600-h315-p-k "New item by John Thornton") ](https://photos.app.goo.gl/NiuNSdYQq8sbuWmV6) … which came from this WaPo article: > **[Analysis | Coronavirus has come to Trump country](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/06/17/coronavirus-has-come-trump-country/)** > > After being centered in blue states, cases are now being added faster in red ones. There’s also this map of current infection rates (my original cite was an article by NPR). It doesn’t correlate covid progress viz the 2016 election, but it doesn’t look good for the Trump-supporting South and heartland: > **[Risk Levels - Global Epidemics](https://globalepidemics.org/key-metrics-for-covid-suppression/)** > > RISK LEVELS First published in July 2020, our COVID-19 risk levels dashboard served as a tool for the public to track the pandemic in real time. As the pandemic has evolved and testing and reporting data have changed significantly, we have retired... ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2020, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-support-collapses-in-counties-with-covid-surges/914610/16 "2020-07-08T00:57:48Z")
Perversely, some hardcore Trumpetistas may have wanted the peak to come and go quick and have us be in an inter-wave through by the time we got to November and then count on the attention-impaired base to listen to _“well, sure, but now that the worst of **that** is over – do you want SOCIALISM on top of it?”_ And a lot of the core “base” will still be arguing that anyway… ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2020, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-support-collapses-in-counties-with-covid-surges/914610/17 "2020-07-08T02:05:50Z")
Another thing to keep in mind is that whether or people realize that Trumps actions are largely to blame, they still expect the president to at least acknowledge their pain. But Trump is not tempementally suited to even feign compassion. His only response to bad news under his administration is to deny its existence. The economy is the best ever! and the kung flu is just a sniffle. To people who are legitimately suffering this is going to feel like a slap in the face. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2020, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-support-collapses-in-counties-with-covid-surges/914610/18 "2020-07-08T02:20:13Z")
I don’t expect people to blame Trump for causing the problem. People often don’t care what caused a crisis; they just want it fixed, or they at least want someone to convince them that he’s in the process of fixing it. Perception isn’t necessarily reality either. George H W Bush was actually presiding over economic recovery in his final half year before the election of 1992, but he came across as being someone who was distant and couldn’t relate to working class people. In 2012, a lot of people were still reeling from the financial crisis of 2008-9, but in the end, they believed Obama was in the process of doing something about their plight. We know that a lot more people are going to be hurting economically and otherwise in November 2020 than they were in November 2016. It will come down to whether people believe Trump is doing anything to help the country. The numbers and data itself won’t necessarily matter. The pain has already been inflicted, damage done. What makes Trump vulnerable is that he’s an asshole. People thought his assholery was kind of amusing a year or two ago. I find it hard to believe that they’ll be nearly as amused now. Trump isn’t finished yet. There’s still time for something we cannot foresee to bail his ass out, but he’s running out of time, and the chips are piling up against him higher and higher every day. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2020, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-support-collapses-in-counties-with-covid-surges/914610/19 "2020-07-08T02:24:02Z")
> [@JKellyMap](#): > > deep purple 🤘 ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2020, 11:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-support-collapses-in-counties-with-covid-surges/914610/20 "2020-07-08T11:39:36Z")
So well put, @asahi. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-support-collapses-in-counties-with-covid-surges/914610.md?page=2)