# Trump supporters, a personal plea to please get off the pot **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 10, 2017, 5:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-supporters-a-personal-plea-to-please-get-off-the-pot/793230 "2017-08-10T05:40:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2017, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-supporters-a-personal-plea-to-please-get-off-the-pot/793230/61 "2017-08-11T15:26:53Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > How many fucking investigations into Benghazi were there? What specific wrongs were laid at Hillary’s feet? Remember that the root of the Benghazi controversy was that an Obama surrogate made statements on a morning talk show that ended up being factually inaccurate (although this wasn’t known at the time.) Compare this with the current CIC who makes false statements an average of [almost 5 times a day](https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/trump-claims/?utm_term=.105b2057a9a9). They truth of the matter is everything that Crocked Hillary has been accused of (other than being an uppity woman) Trump exemplifies in spades. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2017, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-supporters-a-personal-plea-to-please-get-off-the-pot/793230/62 "2017-08-11T15:27:34Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > You criticized Obama a lot while he was in office – are you saying now that those of us who disapprove of Trump’s actions and words shouldn’t criticize him? That’s exactly what they do. Any criticism of their boy is not to be tolerated - even if he is Putin’s stooge and a damn traitor. Oh, and often there is a “get the fuck out of my country” in there somewhere. But if it’s the black muslim Ethiopian democrat n\*\*\*er, or “the evil screaming harpy what smells of sulphur” then holy shit! All hell breaks loose. But, these same “patriots” are in the habit of threatening uprisings and civil war if their latest chump doesn’t get his way, is opposed, or (I hope) is called to answer for all the bad shit he’s done. So there you have it. Make your own conclusions. ---
**Author:** ![JackieLikesVariety](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackielikesvariety/32/296_2.png) [@JackieLikesVariety](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JackieLikesVariety)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2017, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-supporters-a-personal-plea-to-please-get-off-the-pot/793230/63 "2017-08-11T15:31:37Z")
> [@](#): > > But, these same “patriots” are in the habit of threatening uprisings and civil war if their latest chump doesn’t get his way, is opposed, or (I hope) is called to answer for all the bad shit he’s done. I don’t know how many of them there are but reading their comments on fb makes me fear civil war is inevitable, just a matter of time. :mad: ☹ if someone wants to tell me there aren’t that many of them - please! do so! ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2017, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-supporters-a-personal-plea-to-please-get-off-the-pot/793230/64 "2017-08-11T16:01:53Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Dearest Liberals, would it be too much to ask you the smallest of favors. Would you mind giving the incessant whining about Donald Trump a much-needed rest? He won the election. He is the President. We get it - you don’t like him. I’m sure it is cathartic in a maniacal sort of way, and it must help to distract from the reality that he is the President. But stop with the bullshit, time- and money-wasting bogus investigations and the screams of impeachment. > > In summary, shit or get off the fucking pot. Enough already. He is an America-hating fuckstick. When he stops being an America-hating fuckstick will be the right time to stop making noises of dissatisfaction that an America-hating fuckstick is befouling the Oval Office and negating the dignity normally assigned to the presidency by holding the position. I think it likely he will stop holding the position before he stops being an America-hating fuckstick. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2017, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-supporters-a-personal-plea-to-please-get-off-the-pot/793230/65 "2017-08-11T16:09:53Z")
> [@Patx2](#): > > There is a lot of criticism of Trump and conservatives in general. You misspelled “radical reactionaries.” It wouldn’t be that important, except that the “radical” part makes most people who self-identify as “conservatives” the exact _opposite_ of conservative. ---
**Author:** ![Patx2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/73ab20/32.png) [@Patx2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Patx2)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2017, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-supporters-a-personal-plea-to-please-get-off-the-pot/793230/66 "2017-08-11T16:13:31Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > It would make sense to ask us to shut up about Trump if we were just discussing all the old stuff he did. But he’s still in office, and we are discussing everything bad he is still doing. > > Telling us to shut up is telling us to ignore the bad things he is doing. And they are really bad. Our country is closest to World War III than ever. Trump is going nuts and directly antagonizing North Korea. He’s giving them every reason to think they will be attacked, which means they have no reason not to send out their bombs. And once nukes are dropped, World War III is not far behind. > > We are attacking Trump because we need to get rid of him. He is a clear and present danger to the United States and the World. > > It has nothing to do with him being a “conservative,” because he isn’t one. He’s a psychopath. You elected a guy who doesn’t have the morals you show yourself to have. Why? Why did you elect such a horrible person who we knew was stupid and crazy and hotheaded and would harm our country? > > We will keep on about Trump until you guys disavow him, because we’ve got to get rid of him. Time is up, now. We have to get rid of him before he kills us all. > > I’m not exaggerating, either. This was literally the same argument I made before the election. I thought people would care enough about this country that they’d either not vote or hold their noses and vote for the sane person who they didn’t agree with instead of the psychotic, narcissistic man child. > > Trump is evil. He cares only about himself. You knew this. You knew he would not do anything to “Make America Great,” but you voted him in anyways. > > So, join the ever increasing anti-Trump conservatives, or yeah, we’ll keep going on. Someone has to get us under at least a sane president. > > I mean, I’m for impeaching Trump, which would leave Pence in power. I don’t agree with Pence about pretty much anything. But that has nothing to do with this. Trump is evil. Pence at least cares about this country. Pence is at least smart enough to listen to people under him. Pence won’t be constantly worried everyone is out to get him. > > He’s at least someone like previous Republican presidents, not a full blown psychopath who colludes with other countries. And you are entitled to that opinion, just as I turned to my husband when Obama was running and said to him, I can’t put my finger on it, but this guy scares me, I don’t know what it is, but I don’t think he’s a good choice. I did not care for his presidency, millions did. My opinion is still valid, it’s simply an opinion. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2017, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-supporters-a-personal-plea-to-please-get-off-the-pot/793230/67 "2017-08-11T16:26:06Z")
> [@Patx2](#): > > And you are entitled to that opinion, just as I turned to my husband when Obama was running and said to him, I can’t put my finger on it, but this guy scares me, I don’t know what it is, but I don’t think he’s a good choice. I did not care for his presidency, millions did. My opinion is still valid, it’s simply an opinion. You “can’t put your finger” on why you were uneasy with Obama. That’s lightyears from where we are now. It’s not “opinion” that Trump is incompetent, ignorant, and immoral. It’s not “opinion” that he’s doing stupid things, saying stupid things, and putting terrible people in positions of power. The criticisms of Trump are concrete and a lot more compelling than \*vague uneasiness \*with a black president. > [@](#): > > Originally Posted by BigT View Post > We are attacking Trump because we need to get rid of him. He is a clear and present danger to the United States and the World. > > It has nothing to do with him being a “conservative,” because he isn’t one. He’s a psychopath. You elected a guy who doesn’t have the morals you show yourself to have. Why? Why did you elect such a horrible person who we knew was stupid and crazy and hotheaded and would harm our country? ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2017, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-supporters-a-personal-plea-to-please-get-off-the-pot/793230/68 "2017-08-11T16:26:55Z")
Don’t worry, the rest of us do know what it is. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2017, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-supporters-a-personal-plea-to-please-get-off-the-pot/793230/69 "2017-08-11T16:28:21Z")
> [@Patx2](#): > > And you are entitled to that opinion, just as I turned to my husband when Obama was running and said to him, I can’t put my finger on it, but this guy scares me, I don’t know what it is, but I don’t think he’s a good choice. I did not care for his presidency, millions did. My opinion is still valid, it’s simply an opinion. Your “We both have opinions, so my opinion is just as valid as yours” take reminds of something Harlan Ellison once said: “Everybody has opinions: I have them, you have them. And we are all told from the moment we open our eyes, that everyone is entitled to his or her opinion. Well, that’s horsepuckey, of course. We are not entitled to our opinions; we are entitled to our _informed_ opinions. Without research, without background, without understanding, it’s _nothing_. It’s just bibble-babble. It’s like a fart in a wind tunnel, folks” ---
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2017, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-supporters-a-personal-plea-to-please-get-off-the-pot/793230/70 "2017-08-11T16:55:40Z")
> [@Patx2](#): > > And you are entitled to that opinion, just as I turned to my husband when Obama was running and said to him, I can’t put my finger on it, but this guy scares me, I don’t know what it is, but I don’t think he’s a good choice. I did not care for his presidency, millions did. My opinion is still valid, it’s simply an opinion. Your opinion without factual backup is not worth shit. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2017, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-supporters-a-personal-plea-to-please-get-off-the-pot/793230/71 "2017-08-11T16:57:45Z")
> [@Patx2](#): > > And you are entitled to that opinion, just as I turned to my husband when Obama was running and said to him, I can’t put my finger on it, but this guy scares me, I don’t know what it is, but I don’t think he’s a good choice. I did not care for his presidency, millions did. My opinion is still valid, it’s simply an opinion. It wasn’t his policies, or anything he said? It was just something about him? Something about him that you couldn’t quite put your finger on that scared you? Huh, I wonder what that could have been. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2017, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-supporters-a-personal-plea-to-please-get-off-the-pot/793230/72 "2017-08-11T17:01:33Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Your “We both have opinions, so my opinion is just as valid as yours” take reminds of something Harlan Ellison once said: “Everybody has opinions: I have them, you have them. And we are all told from the moment we open our eyes, that everyone is entitled to his or her opinion. Well, that’s horsepuckey, of course. We are not entitled to our opinions; we are entitled to our _informed_ opinions. Without research, without background, without understanding, it’s _nothing_. It’s just bibble-babble. It’s like a fart in a wind tunnel, folks” You’re right. Ellison was right. Some opinions are just shit. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2017, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-supporters-a-personal-plea-to-please-get-off-the-pot/793230/73 "2017-08-11T17:05:25Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > Remember that the root of the Benghazi controversy was that an Obama surrogate made statements on a morning talk show that ended up being factually inaccurate (although this wasn’t known at the time.) Compare this with the current CIC who makes false statements an average of [almost 5 times a day](https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/trump-claims/?utm_term=.105b2057a9a9). They truth of the matter is everything that Crocked Hillary has been accused of (other than being an uppity woman) Trump exemplifies in spades. Hell, he’s leaked more classified information than she was ever accused of yet he gets a pass. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2017, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-supporters-a-personal-plea-to-please-get-off-the-pot/793230/74 "2017-08-11T17:06:18Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > That’s unfair, IMO. I think he’s wrong, but I don’t see him sucking Putin’s dick. I see him telling Putin “you want to hurt us? Well you didn’t actually hurt us, so na-na!” He’s thumbing his nose at Putin. > > Still not the right response–the response of a child, and provoking Putin to do more. But it’s not kissing up. It’s thumbing his nose at him. I honestly believe he is in bed with Putin. It’s all about the money. Follow the money. Sanctions affect Putin’s money. Sanctions affect the oil business, which affects Puitn’s and Tillerson’s money (and Trump’s cut). Trump’s “smart land deals” are carried by Russians who buy his properties at inflated prices, to prop him up and launder money. It’s ALL about money. Russians and money. Russian money. No one else will loan/give him a dime. That’s why Trump got rid of Comey (it was the Russian connection and was stupid enough to say so). That’s why Trump fights so hard to stop Meuller from looking, and hiring people who specialize in fraud and racketeering. It’s the money trail. Follow it. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2017, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-supporters-a-personal-plea-to-please-get-off-the-pot/793230/75 "2017-08-11T17:15:41Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > I honestly believe he is in bed with Putin. It’s all about the money. Follow the money. Sanctions affect Putin’s money. Sanctions affect the oil business, which affects Puitn’s and Tillerson’s money (and Trump’s cut). Trump’s “smart land deals” are carried by Russians who buy his properties at inflated prices, to prop him up and launder money. > > It’s ALL about money. Russians and money. Russian money. No one else will loan/give him a dime. That’s why Trump got rid of Comey (it was the Russian connection and was stupid enough to say so). That’s why Trump fights so hard to stop Meuller from looking, and hiring people who specialize in fraud and racketeering. It’s the money trail. Follow it. One thing I do think many are missing (not you) is that this is not IMHO a fight to remove Trump from office. But it should be seen as a fight to prevent the corruption and gangster-ism from places like Russia to set shop in the United States. The lack of encouragement by the right in America in this fight against world wide corruption is very troublesome, and yet, it is a fight that should be done not only now for America but for the Russians that endure kleptocrats and gangster democracy. ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2017, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-supporters-a-personal-plea-to-please-get-off-the-pot/793230/76 "2017-08-11T17:40:05Z")
> [@patx2](#): > > and you are entitled to that opinion, just as i turned to my husband when obama was running and said to him, i can’t put my finger on it, but this guy scares me, i don’t know what it is, but i don’t think he’s a good choice. I did not care for his presidency, millions did. My opinion is still valid, it’s simply an opinion. I’ve noticed this complaint from certain people before. So, I’ve created this chart to help you put your finger on it: ◼︎:black\_medium\_square:︎:black\_medium\_square:︎:black\_medium\_square:︎:black\_medium\_square:︎:black\_medium\_square:︎:black\_medium\_square:︎ …Safe…Scary…Evil… ---
**Author:** ![Patx2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/73ab20/32.png) [@Patx2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Patx2)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2017, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-supporters-a-personal-plea-to-please-get-off-the-pot/793230/77 "2017-08-11T18:21:35Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Your “We both have opinions, so my opinion is just as valid as yours” take reminds of something Harlan Ellison once said: “Everybody has opinions: I have them, you have them. And we are all told from the moment we open our eyes, that everyone is entitled to his or her opinion. Well, that’s horsepuckey, of course. We are not entitled to our opinions; we are entitled to our _informed_ opinions. Without research, without background, without understanding, it’s _nothing_. It’s just bibble-babble. It’s like a fart in a wind tunnel, folks” Well, yes, opinions need to be informed, I thought that went without saying. Your line about “a fart in a wind tunnel” made me laugh! ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2017, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-supporters-a-personal-plea-to-please-get-off-the-pot/793230/78 "2017-08-11T18:25:29Z")
> [@Patx2](#): > > Well, yes, opinions need to be informed, I thought that went without saying. Your line about “a fart in a wind tunnel” made me laugh! I’m sorry but your previous post shows that it absolutely has to be said. ---
**Author:** ![Patx2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/73ab20/32.png) [@Patx2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Patx2)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2017, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-supporters-a-personal-plea-to-please-get-off-the-pot/793230/79 "2017-08-11T18:26:51Z")
> [@cmyk](#): > > I’ve noticed this complaint from certain people before. So, I’ve created this chart to help you put your finger on it: > > ◼︎:black\_medium\_square:︎:black\_medium\_square:︎:black\_medium\_square:︎:black\_medium\_square:︎:black\_medium\_square:︎:black\_medium\_square:︎ > …Safe…Scary…Evil… And this chart of yours, hmm, is it suggesting I’m racist? I’m sure many will see humor in your chart. I find it offensive. Seriously, I happen to post that when Obama ran I told my husband something about the guy scared me and now I’m a freaking racist? I think not. How about I didn’t agree with many of his policies. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2017, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-supporters-a-personal-plea-to-please-get-off-the-pot/793230/80 "2017-08-11T18:32:12Z")
> [@Patx2](#): > > And this chart of yours, hmm, is it suggesting I’m racist? I’m sure many will see humor in your chart. I find it offensive. Seriously, I happen to post that when Obama ran I told my husband something about the guy scared me and now I’m a freaking racist? I think not. How about I didn’t agree with many of his policies. How about I call bullshit on you having reasons like these? Better yet, I’ll let _you_ call bullshit, using your own words: > [@Patx2](#): > > _I can’t put my finger on it_, but this guy scares me, _I don’t know what it is_, but I don’t think he’s a good choice. (italics mine) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-supporters-a-personal-plea-to-please-get-off-the-pot/793230.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-supporters-a-personal-plea-to-please-get-off-the-pot/793230.md?page=5)