# Trump supporters, a personal plea to please get off the pot **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 10, 2017, 5:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-supporters-a-personal-plea-to-please-get-off-the-pot/793230 "2017-08-10T05:40:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2017, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-supporters-a-personal-plea-to-please-get-off-the-pot/793230/101 "2017-08-11T21:09:48Z")
Patx2, I’m not going to say you’re racist. I mean, what you’ve said sure _sounds_ racist as hell, but I can’t rule out the possibility that you say you’re scared about all democratic politicians, regardless of race, creed, or color, everywhere. But one thing I can say with confidence is that if you’ve observed the Trump presidency so far and have seen nothing that can be criticized, or if you’ve seen _anything_ that looks like a success, then you are literally, completely, insane. Delusional. Hallucinatory. I mean, you probably don’t even see the row of colored squares I put above this line! Seriously. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2017, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-supporters-a-personal-plea-to-please-get-off-the-pot/793230/102 "2017-08-11T21:13:15Z")
> [@begbert2](#): > > I mean, you probably don’t even see the row of colored squares I put above this line! Seriously. The 4th and 7th squares are the same color-is that a mistake? ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2017, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-supporters-a-personal-plea-to-please-get-off-the-pot/793230/103 "2017-08-11T21:14:13Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > The 4th and 7th squares are the same color-is that a mistake? Whoops, sorry. Danged copy/paste… ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2017, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-supporters-a-personal-plea-to-please-get-off-the-pot/793230/104 "2017-08-11T21:19:53Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Play checkers against Barry? Decent chance. Chess, maybe a lot less. **Poker? Just give him your money and go home, save some time.** Seriously. Remember the night at the White House Correspondent’s Dinner, when he eviscerated Trump and was generally smiling and laughing the whole night? Who would have guessed he had already ordered SEAL Team Six to go get Bin Laden and the mission was already in progress. ---
**Author:** ![CairoCarol](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cairocarol/32/3825_2.png) [@CairoCarol](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CairoCarol)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2017, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-supporters-a-personal-plea-to-please-get-off-the-pot/793230/105 "2017-08-11T21:21:11Z")
> [@begbert2](#): > > Whoops, sorry. Danged copy/paste… Here, I fixed it for you and reposted it: . ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2017, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-supporters-a-personal-plea-to-please-get-off-the-pot/793230/106 "2017-08-11T21:21:29Z")
> [@Patx2](#): > > Sure, that’s what I said, but to have someone who has no idea who I am insinuate that it’s because I’m a racist is, I think wrong. Has no one here ever just had an initial feeling good or bad about someone? I’m pretty sure there was a thread about it somewhere. I see your point, the idea of the preconceived notion and I agree it may have caused me to be critical of him. However, I still didn’t agree with some of his policies and not based on a preconceived notion but rather, a different political pov. The point of the color boxes, I think, was to suggest that your preconceived notions may have been based on unfortunate biases within yourself that you aren’t aware of. Most of us have racist or otherwise bigoted feelings at some point in our lives, and very often we’re not aware that they’re racist or bigoted. Maybe you had some negative feelings about him due to race and you weren’t aware that was the source. It doesn’t mean anything more than that you’re human, but recognizing these kind of things can be important and useful to being a better person. At least, this is one possibility. ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2017, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-supporters-a-personal-plea-to-please-get-off-the-pot/793230/107 "2017-08-11T21:26:23Z")
> [@CairoCarol](#): > > Here, I fixed it for you and reposted it: > > . Thanks! ---
**Author:** ![SingleMalt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/singlemalt/32/3961_2.png) [@SingleMalt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SingleMalt)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2017, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-supporters-a-personal-plea-to-please-get-off-the-pot/793230/108 "2017-08-11T21:34:38Z")
> [@CairoCarol](#): > > Here, I fixed it for you and reposted it: > > . Wait, now I’m confused. Are they supposed to be arranged by color intensity or spectral position? ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2017, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-supporters-a-personal-plea-to-please-get-off-the-pot/793230/109 "2017-08-11T21:51:44Z")
> [@begbert2](#): > > Whoops, sorry. Danged copy/paste… OK I thought it was just me. Whew! ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2017, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-supporters-a-personal-plea-to-please-get-off-the-pot/793230/110 "2017-08-11T21:52:44Z")
> [@CairoCarol](#): > > Here, I fixed it for you and reposted it: > > . That’s much better. ---
**Author:** ![SaneBill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e68b1a/32.png) [@SaneBill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SaneBill)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2017, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-supporters-a-personal-plea-to-please-get-off-the-pot/793230/111 "2017-08-11T21:55:57Z")
> [@begbert2](#): > > Patx2, I’m not going to say you’re racist. I mean, what you’ve said sure _sounds_ racist as hell, […snip…] Do you see what I see ? ☹ > [@Post your neighbour stories here](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/post-your-neighbour-stories-here/791724/94): > > This made me laugh 😊! > [@How can dog attacks be stopped?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-dog-attacks-be-stopped/793251/21): > > Yes, I did 😊, thanks! > [@Patx2](#): > > True, but it was his comments and color chart I meant to reference there 😁. ---
**Author:** ![Patx2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/73ab20/32.png) [@Patx2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Patx2)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2017, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-supporters-a-personal-plea-to-please-get-off-the-pot/793230/112 "2017-08-11T23:46:20Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > The point of the color boxes, I think, was to suggest that your preconceived notions may have been based on unfortunate biases within yourself that you aren’t aware of. Most of us have racist or otherwise bigoted feelings at some point in our lives, and very often we’re not aware that they’re racist or bigoted. Maybe you had some negative feelings about him due to race and you weren’t aware that was the source. It doesn’t mean anything more than that you’re human, but recognizing these kind of things can be important and useful to being a better person. At least, this is one possibility. Sure, I’ll go with that. I have a sinus headache from hell right now and really can’t concentrate. The point is though, I agree with what you say, but no matter how many times I bang my head against a wall no one posting here is going to believe me when I say it had nothing to do with his race. Of course I’ve had biases in my life that I’ve been consciously or unconsciously aware of but it’s not the case here, again not worth repeating it, I will be unbelieved, considered a liar because how the hell could I possibly not agree with his policies or get a gut feeling from the very beginning that I didn’t think he would be the right choice for president without being a racist. Sometimes this board makes me sick to my stomach. Thanks for the input, I understand what you mean, but I’m done. ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2017, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-supporters-a-personal-plea-to-please-get-off-the-pot/793230/113 "2017-08-11T23:57:51Z")
> [@Patx2](#): > > Sure, I’ll go with that. I have a sinus headache from hell right now and really can’t concentrate. The point is though, I agree with what you say, but no matter how many times I bang my head against a wall no one posting here is going to believe me when I say it had nothing to do with his race. Of course I’ve had biases in my life that I’ve been consciously or unconsciously aware of but it’s not the case here, again not worth repeating it, I will be unbelieved, considered a liar because how the hell could I possibly not agree with his policies or get a gut feeling from the very beginning that I didn’t think he would be the right choice for president without being a racist. Sometimes this board makes me sick to my stomach. Thanks for the input, I understand what you mean, but I’m done. Hey now, I’m perfectly willing to believe you find all democratic politicians scary on principle. And I’m also willing to believe that it doesn’t really matter if you’re a racist. You’re a republican - that’s bad enough. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2017, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-supporters-a-personal-plea-to-please-get-off-the-pot/793230/114 "2017-08-12T00:37:43Z")
> [@Patx2](#): > > Sure, I’ll go with that. I have a sinus headache from hell right now and really can’t concentrate. The point is though, I agree with what you say, but no matter how many times I bang my head against a wall no one posting here is going to believe me when I say it had nothing to do with his race. Of course I’ve had biases in my life that I’ve been consciously or unconsciously aware of but it’s not the case here, again not worth repeating it, I will be unbelieved, considered a liar because how the hell could I possibly not agree with his policies or get a gut feeling from the very beginning that I didn’t think he would be the right choice for president without being a racist. Sometimes this board makes me sick to my stomach. Thanks for the input, I understand what you mean, but I’m done. I’m in no position to say why you disliked Obama, but if it is truly an unconscious bias you wouldn’t know the source of it, either to confirm or deny. I’m curious what you think of Obama’s policies that can be objectively measured. He took office during a severe economic downturn and ended with 75 consecutive months of job growth. You also mentioned the Iran nuclear deal. How close was Iran to building a nuclear weapon at the time? It’s two years later and I haven’t heard of them having or still working on one. It seems fair to me to say that the deal has worked, at least so far, and better than having done nothing. ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2017, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-supporters-a-personal-plea-to-please-get-off-the-pot/793230/115 "2017-08-12T13:46:54Z")
It doesn’t help she associates herself with a party that’s upholding many tenets of racism. I get that not every republican is a racist, but why would anyone want to align themselves with such a deplorable party if you claim you’re not? ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2017, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-supporters-a-personal-plea-to-please-get-off-the-pot/793230/116 "2017-08-12T16:18:45Z")
> [@cmyk](#): > > It doesn’t help she associates herself with a party that’s upholding many tenets of racism. I get that not every republican is a racist, but why would anyone want to align themselves with such a deplorable party if you claim you’re not? Lie down with pigs… These fine patriots are currently on the march at the University of Virginia. They brought their Nazi salutes, shirts with Hitler quotes, chants of “blood and soil” and their guns with them. This is what they really are. ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2017, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-supporters-a-personal-plea-to-please-get-off-the-pot/793230/117 "2017-08-12T17:31:09Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > Lie down with pigs… > > These fine patriots are currently on the march at the University of Virginia. They brought their Nazi salutes, shirts with Hitler quotes, chants of “blood and soil” and their guns with them. > > This is what they really are. Sort of speaks for itself. **Patx2** , et al, need to understand these are the sort of people her party associates with, therefore it’s how you will be tainted by aligning with them. You can be indignant all you want, but it’s where your heart truly must be, no? ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2017, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-supporters-a-personal-plea-to-please-get-off-the-pot/793230/118 "2017-08-12T17:45:56Z")
> [@cmyk](#): > > At least I can look back on the life of Donald Trump, see him in broad daylight for all his narcissism, inflated ego, shady and poor business practices, ethically and morally bankrupt character, loathsome behavior, sexist actions, anti-intellectualism, petulant attitude and say, “that motherfucker scares the shit out of me, and you’d have to be out of your goddamned mind to vote for that asshole.” > > I just don’t see how you got a bad vibe from Obama, and yet think Trump is aces. Blows my mind. ^ This ^ Trump is a morally bankrupt individual that thinks of only himself. Yet, the supposed moral and christian party backs him. They seem to adore him for being so morally bankrupt. I just can’t figure this out. Of course, my opinion of those who are “christian” but hate gays, don’t want to help the poor, want to keep out immigrants, etc is not so great. It seems christianity = hypocrisy. What would Jesus do? Well, if you are poor, gay or born in the wrong country, go fuck yourselves! ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2017, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-supporters-a-personal-plea-to-please-get-off-the-pot/793230/119 "2017-08-12T19:23:25Z")
> [@Patx2](#): > > I didn’t let the fact that he was a Democrat color everything he did later. It stands to reason that since I’m not a D, I would disagree with some things. Again, someone recently did a poll are you liberal, conservative, etc. My response was I’m a conservative, but basically, not across the board, it depends on the issues. That’s how many people responded, Im liberal but…I’m not trying to say Obama is or was some mean old monster or that he’s not a decent person, but I get the impression that any criticism of him or anytime I mention I disagreed with a policy of his or am stupid enough to open my big mouth on these boards and say, **yes, I freaking thought he wasn’t right for the country because of a gut freaking feeling** that many think I’m attacking the man. Well, nine years have passed since you told your husband that you couldn’t put your finger on why you felt that he wasn’t right for the country. Have you been able to put your finger on it yet? Especially in light of the demonstrable, objective fact that you were wrong, and he WAS right for the country… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-supporters-a-personal-plea-to-please-get-off-the-pot/793230.md?page=5)