# Trump Supporters are Flawed People **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 10, 2016, 10:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-supporters-are-flawed-people/771345 "2016-11-10T10:27:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2016, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-supporters-are-flawed-people/771345/81 "2016-11-10T16:22:00Z")
> [@Drum\_God](#): > > He and his wife have high school educations. Both of jobs that pay reasonably well for the work that they do. The man is an auto mechanic for a Ford dealership. Business is good. He is properly trained and equipped for his job and he is good at it. He has a couple of kids and they are healthy. All four of them have access to health care. What does he have to be angry about? His life is right where he wants it, as far as I know. Maybe he and/or his wife feel like they would be better off if they had affordable access to more education, but Trump sure isn’t the way to accomplish that. So what is their problem? I honestly don’t know. This describes several people I know who supported Trump, mainly wishing for “Change!” I don’t understand why someone wants CHANGE! if they are doing pretty well in life. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2016, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-supporters-are-flawed-people/771345/82 "2016-11-10T16:23:15Z")
> [@Pearl\_Clutching\_Provocateur](#): > > I think it’s a myth that our population needs to be replaced and that our economy has to constantly expand. When I read this article, I thought it was wonderful how the declining human population allowed nature to thrive while the author wrings her hands about how Japan needs to allow more immigration. Maybe Trump voters are the true environmentalists. > As Japan’s population shrinks, bears and boars roam where schools and shrines once thrived Nope, what you are talking about here is the perversion of environmentalism coming from interest groups using nativists as a resource. > **[Greenwash: Nativists, Environmentalism and the Hypocrisy of Hate](https://www.splcenter.org/20100630/greenwash-nativists-environmentalism-and-hypocrisy-hate)** > > This report describes how right-wing nativists are targeting the mainstream environmental movement with advertisements, websites and even a newly formed "progressive" organization that purports to represent liberals who believe immigration must be... > [@](#): > > Now, the greenwashers are back. In the last few years, right-wing groups have paid to run expensive advertisements in liberal publications that explicitly call on environmentalists and other “progressives” to join their anti-immigration cause. > [@](#): > > The arguments being made by the nativists today — in a nutshell, that immigration drives population increase and that a growing population is the main driver of environmental degradation — have in the last 15 years been rejected by the mainstream of the environmental movement as far too simplistic. The allegation that immigrants are responsible for urban sprawl, for example, ignores the fact that most immigrants live in dense, urban neighborhoods and do not contribute significantly to suburban or exurban sprawl. In a similar way, most conservationists have come to believe that many of the world’s most intractable environmental problems, including global warming, can only be solved by dealing with them on a worldwide, not a nation-by-nation, basis. > > The greenwashers are wolves in sheep’s clothing, right-wing nativists who are doing their best to seduce the mainstream environmental movement in a bid for legitimacy and more followers. John Tanton, the man who originally devised the strategy, is in fact far more concerned with the impact of Latino and other non-white immigration on a “European-American” culture than on conservation. Most of the greenwashers are men and women of the far right, hardly “progressives.” > > Environmentalists need to be aware of so-called “progressives for immigration reform” and their true motives. These individuals and organizations do not see protecting the environment as their primary goal — on the contrary, the nativists are first and foremost about radically restricting immigration. Environmentalists should not fall for their rhetoric. Do not be fooled by them. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2016, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-supporters-are-flawed-people/771345/83 "2016-11-10T16:26:17Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > You seem to feel that there is some magically way to treat these people that 'll convince them to come back to reality. I am saying that we don’t know what that is. > > Also, in your Play, instead of “Country :Fen-Fen”, you should say “49% of Country:Fen-Fen” No, the play works as written. This is not me resisting a dramaturge; it’s me signalling that the end result for the purposes of choosing a path is a single voice. But let’s discuss Option 2 a bit more. You say you don’t know how treat these people such that they’ll come back to reality. First: you mean your view of reality, not an objective, measurable fact. Right? Because this is not a matter of objective, measurable fact. You cannot assign a weight to every concern and declare it to be the correct weight. How should a voter weigh Supreme Court nominations against global warming? You can’t say that’s “reality.” So lesson one: stop claiming “reality.” Lesson two: stop claiming superiority. If your attitude drips contempt, you won’t win converts. Clinton 42, Bill, never seemed to be contemptuous of his audience. Perhaps in private he shared identical sentiments, but I never remember him calling his opponents’ supporters deplorable. Bill was a likeable presence. You knew – we all knew – that he was a flawed guy in his personal life, but I think he could win a third term today. He connected with a crowd; people report that when they meet him, he had a way of focusing complete attention on you and for a moment you believed you were his top and only priority. Which leads me to lesson 3: select a likable candidate. You may rail at the injustice of many of the accusations leveled at Secretary Clinton, and factually you’d be right to do so: many were bullshit. I said so myself about the e-mail business. But she was unlikeable from a charisma standpoint. Lesson 4: as it pertains to lying. Select a candidate who knows how to lie successfully when needful. I hope I don’t need to explain this. No candidate in 2008 was going to win the presidency professing support for same-sex marriage. If you happen to choose one that did, that candidate should conceal that truth in service of making it a reality. I have no idea if that’s what happened with Obama; in fact I accept his explanation that his views changed. Mine did. But as an illustration, the point remains valid. FDR lied to the country about neutrality while violating the Neutrality Act to prop up the UK. What a good thing he did. Now, notice above that there is nothing in the above about moving rightwards or abandoning core Democratic principles. I personally wish you would, of course, but that’s not part of what I’m trying to convey here. I’m trying to point out that open contempt for those whose votes you wish to garner is unlikely to be a winning strategy. I’m saying that there are people who believe in the broccoli and can sell the broccoli without making the fen-fen users into objects of ridicule. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2016, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-supporters-are-flawed-people/771345/84 "2016-11-10T16:41:20Z")
> [@xenophon41](#): > > Which issues would you then presume to be the actual points of contention which matter to that group of voters? Which issues were you even given the chance to contend with on any interlocutory basis? I don’t believe the substance of Trump proposals carried the day for him. Way back in 1964, a guy named Marshall McLuhan wrote a book called, “Understanding Media: The Extensions of Man.” In that book he coined a phrase that’s eclipsed the rest of the tome in popularity: _The medium is the message._ His thesis was basically that overriding the content of a message is the way it’s conveyed. I’m arguing that ol’ Marshall was correct: the way the Left felt about rural voters was a message more powerful than the substance of the proposals the Left offered them. The contempt in which journalists and pundits held much of flyover country was evident. The fact that Trump could say, to applause, “I love the uneducated,” was an illustration of the problem. The fact that the “deplorables,” label was so eagerly adopted by the very people it sought to demonize illustrates my point better than anything I could say. You’re asking what policy points could the Left change, and I’m telling you it wasn’t the policy, but the delivery, that was the true message… or at least, the one with the greater impact. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2016, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-supporters-are-flawed-people/771345/85 "2016-11-10T16:45:58Z")
So basically, if the Democrats had treated them like the rubes they were and made vague promises they couldn’t possibly keep… ---
**Author:** ![Sterling\_Archer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Sterling\_Archer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sterling_Archer)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2016, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-supporters-are-flawed-people/771345/86 "2016-11-10T16:46:19Z")
> [@Drum\_God](#): > > Here’s the thing I don’t get. Why did they need anyone to hate? I get the idea that people in dire straits want someone else to blame for their lot in life. We all do that to some extent. > > But as I look at some of the Trump supporters I know, I think “You’re doing pretty well. Why are you so pissed off?” Take one young man I know. He and his wife have high school educations. Both of jobs that pay reasonably well for the work that they do. The man is an auto mechanic for a Ford dealership. Business is good. He is properly trained and equipped for his job and he is good at it. He has a couple of kids and they are healthy. All four of them have access to health care. What does he have to be angry about? His life is right where he wants it, as far as I know. Maybe he and/or his wife feel like they would be better off if they had affordable access to more education, but Trump sure isn’t the way to accomplish that. So what is their problem? I honestly don’t know. Yes, it is the same way with the Trump supporters I know. They are doing fine. I know there are people out in rural areas whose lives are devastated because manufacturing jobs are so rare now, but those aren’t the Trump supporters I know personally. But the ones I know are still motivated by fear and hate. They hate how society is now accepting homosexuality as normal. They hate that society keeps telling them that Muslims are not the enemy. They hate how society keeps telling them they should feel guilty for preventing women and African Americans from the same opportunities white men have. They don’t see it that way. If you ask them, no one gave them any special favors so why should they feel guilty? There’s plenty to feel angry about if you really identify with that mentality, and Donald has given them a grenade to throw. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2016, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-supporters-are-flawed-people/771345/87 "2016-11-10T16:49:03Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > We do know what they wanted. > > They wanted to “Make America Great Again!” > > The problem is, is that they do not know how to do that. They just want it done, and will vote for the guy that says he’ll do it. They don’t want any details, and they don’t want to have to work for it. > > They don’t want to vote for the person who actually has a plan on how she’ll do it. It requires actual work on the part of the people, it’s boring. > > It’s like taking weight loss drugs instead of proper diet and exercise. Yes, what you want is to “Make my belly thin again.” But one way will not work well and will kill you, and the other is actually healthy, but boring. > > That’s my contention, Hillary was broccoli, trump was fen-fen. > > How do you convince an anorexic not to take fen-fen? That’s the same question as to how to prevent a white middle class white guy to vote for clinton. > And, that is basically what you are saying. Don’t talk down to the anorexic. You are just being contemptuous in saying you know what they need. They know what they want. They want the Fen-fen. Why do you keep insisting that they need broccoli? That will just turn them off. > > Then extrapolate that to realize that your actions are replacing my broccoli with fen-fen too. This is an excellent analogy, and deserves to be quoted in full. Well done. ---
**Author:** ![bump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7c8e57/32.png) [@bump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bump)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2016, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-supporters-are-flawed-people/771345/88 "2016-11-10T16:55:52Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > Here’s a point of view: > > [We, The Spiteful - By Mark Ames - The eXiled](http://exiledonline.com/we-the-spiteful/) — Does the article-writer not know how incredibly condescending this paragraph is? > [@](#): > > What bothers the Spite-ists is that the left really does know what’s in their interests. If you’re miserable, you don’t want to be told what’s best for you by someone who’s correct–it’s sort of like being occupied by a foreign army with good intentions. You’d rather fuck things up on your own, something you’re quite good at, and bring others down with you—than live with the shame of having been helped by someone more decent and talented than you. If the option was to have someone tell you that you’re not competent enough to decide for yourself, and that you need someone “more decent and talented than you” to help you, I’d wager most people would tell you to fuck right off, regardless of how well meaning or good those people actually were. It’s giving a middle finger to someone effectively saying that they’re incompetent and/or somehow lesser than others- if that’s spite voting, then fine, but expecting people to feel differently is insane and dumb. ---
**Author:** ![Pearl\_Clutching\_Provocateur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c68b51/32.png) [@Pearl\_Clutching\_Provocateur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pearl_Clutching_Provocateur)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2016, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-supporters-are-flawed-people/771345/89 "2016-11-10T17:06:20Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Nope, what you are talking about here is the perversion of environmentalism coming from interest groups using nativists as a resource. > > [https://www.splcenter.org/20100701/greenwash-nativists-environmentalism-and-hypocrisy-hate](https://www.splcenter.org/20100701/greenwash-nativists-environmentalism-and-hypocrisy-hate) > > Do not be fooled by them. Nope. Liberals simply cannot reconcile that more people creates more strain on the environment much in the same way they can’t criticize Islam but want women and gay rights. See liberals don’t really respect people of color. When people of color do things that aren’t progressive, liberals pretend the problems doesn’t exist or give them a pass thinking they are victims of backward thought rather than respecting their choices. But they hold whites to a much higher standard. Any white who doesn’t hold progressive values is simply evil no matter what their circumstances and upbringing. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2016, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-supporters-are-flawed-people/771345/90 "2016-11-10T17:11:19Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > I don’t believe the substance of Trump proposals carried the day for him. > > Way back in 1964, a guy named Marshall McLuhan wrote a book called, “Understanding Media: The Extensions of Man.” In that book he coined a phrase that’s eclipsed the rest of the tome in popularity: _The medium is the message._ > > His thesis was basically that overriding the content of a message is the way it’s conveyed. I’m arguing that ol’ Marshall was correct: the way the Left felt about rural voters was a message more powerful than the substance of the proposals the Left offered them. The contempt in which journalists and pundits held much of flyover country was evident. The fact that Trump could say, to applause, “I love the uneducated,” was an illustration of the problem. The fact that the “deplorables,” label was so eagerly adopted by the very people it sought to demonize illustrates my point better than anything I could say. > > You’re asking what policy points could the Left change, and I’m telling you it wasn’t the policy, but the delivery, that was the true message… or at least, the one with the greater impact. What you’re saying is: the left can’t even lead a horse to water, especially when the right is handing out free moonshine. Yeah, that much has been made abundantly clear in this election. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2016, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-supporters-are-flawed-people/771345/91 "2016-11-10T17:13:37Z")
> [@Pearl\_Clutching\_Provocateur](#): > > Nope. > > Liberals simply cannot reconcile that more people creates more strain on the environment much in the same way they can’t criticize Islam but want women and gay rights. Very underwhelming reply that counters nothing of what the report said. > [@Pearl\_Clutching\_Provocateur](#): > > See liberals don’t really respect people of color. Very silly non-sequitur. > [@Pearl\_Clutching\_Provocateur](#): > > When people of color do things that aren’t progressive, liberals pretend the problems doesn’t exist or give them a pass thinking they are victims of backward thought rather than respecting their choices. But they hold whites to a much higher standard. Any white who doesn’t hold progressive values is simply evil no matter what their circumstances and upbringing. And that is nowhere close to the point of the article cited. It does deal with the issue, you are ignoring the solution to fit your bias. Your reply here only betrays your reliance on nativist or supremacist sources. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2016, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-supporters-are-flawed-people/771345/92 "2016-11-10T17:20:52Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > For those that claim that the moronic mouth breathers were just a tiny percentage of his supporters, I challenge you to show me a Trump rally that wasn’t filled with them and where he didn’t pander to them. Any rally where he spoke above grade-school level about actual issues to a group of people that didn’t look like they were on their way to a destruction derby. Actual diversity in the crowds(as opposed to white guys holding up “Women For Trump!” and “Blacks For Trump!” signs) would be a nice bonus. Maybe that’s how they self identify? ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2016, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-supporters-are-flawed-people/771345/93 "2016-11-10T17:23:00Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > No, the play works as written. This is not me resisting a dramaturge; it’s me signalling that the end result for the purposes of choosing a path is a single voice. The point is, is that we were going to end up eating brocolli or Fen-Fen. Slightly more than half of the coutnry wanted Broccoli, but we ended up with Fen-Fen. > [@](#): > > But let’s discuss Option 2 a bit more. You say you don’t know how treat these people such that they’ll come back to reality. > > First: you mean your view of reality, not an objective, measurable fact. Right? Because this is not a matter of objective, measurable fact. You cannot assign a weight to every concern and declare it to be the correct weight. How should a voter weigh Supreme Court nominations against global warming? You can’t say that’s “reality.” I do not mean “my version of reality”, I mean reality. The world, where 1+1=2. We can disagree on how to wait things, sure. But when we don’t even agree on reality, then we are a step behind. We can discuss the merits of the costs of preserving the enivronment vs the economy, but if my oponent doesn’t “believe” in climate change, and also thinks that the economy works the same as his personal finances, then we will get no where. It is not a matter of personal preference or wieghting or priorites, it is a matter that they are not capable of having this discussion. They will devolve into “Lock her up”'s and other meaningless slogans while I am trying to explain mean temperature variations of the northern atlantic. How does that conversation go? How do you think that conversation should go? > [@](#): > > So lesson one: stop claiming “reality.” Okay, but if I am no longer claiming reality, then I reserve the right to make shit up and ignore facts that disagree with my worldview. That way, at least we are both living in fantasy land. May as well enjoy it. > [@](#): > > Lesson two: stop claiming superiority. If your attitude drips contempt, you won’t win converts. Clinton 42, Bill, never seemed to be contemptuous of his audience. Perhaps in private he shared identical sentiments, but I never remember him calling his opponents’ supporters deplorable. Bill was a likeable presence. You knew – we all knew – that he was a flawed guy in his personal life, but I think he could win a third term today. He connected with a crowd; people report that when they meet him, he had a way of focusing complete attention on you and for a moment you believed you were his top and only priority. I try not to have an attitude of contempt, but it is difficult. When I am dealing with anti-vaxxers, 9/11 truthers, or moon hoaxers I try to listen to them seriously, and address their concerns and issues seriously, but it’s hard. And not only is it hard, it is also completely fruitless. They have made up their mind, and nothing will change that. It’s like the scene from idiocracy where he is trying to tell them to use water on their crops, and they are making fun of the way he speaks. There is a reality in which water is better for crops than Brawndo, but it doesn’t matter the message, the audience refuses to listen, and instead just heckles the “elite”. > [@](#): > > Which leads me to lesson 3: select a likable candidate. You may rail at the injustice of many of the accusations leveled at Secretary Clinton, and factually you’d be right to do so: many were bullshit. I said so myself about the e-mail business. But she was unlikeable from a charisma standpoint. Define what is likeable. I liked Clinton. Lots of others did too. I hated Trump, lots of others did too. You are saying that Trump is more likeable than Clinton? That makes me feel even worse for the country when I thought people were voting for him because they were bigots. Should the dems put up a celebrity next time? Maybe a reality show star? You want some Snookie? Who would you suggest from the left we should put forward that you would think would be “likeable” to your friends and allies on the right? If you can’t think of anyone, then this lesson is a waste of everyone’s time. Being good at policy and being charismatic are not always polar opposites, but they are not exactly correlated either. > [@](#): > > Lesson 4: as it pertains to lying. Select a candidate who knows how to lie successfully when needful. Lesson learned from Trump. Lie constantly. Lie Big. Lie Bigly. Never acknowledge your lies. Always blame others for your inconsistencies. Never take personal responsibility. Never admit you were wrong. This lesson at least, I think we learned quite well. Trump is a very successful liar, and he managed to lie his way into the highest office in the country. > [@](#): > > I hope I don’t need to explain this. No candidate in 2008 was going to win the presidency professing support for same-sex marriage. If you happen to choose one that did, that candidate should conceal that truth in service of making it a reality. I have no idea if that’s what happened with Obama; in fact I accept his explanation that his views changed. Mine did. But as an illustration, the point remains valid. FDR lied to the country about neutrality while violating the Neutrality Act to prop up the UK. What a good thing he did. > > Now, notice above that there is nothing in the above about moving rightwards or abandoning core Democratic principles. I personally wish you would, of course, but that’s not part of what I’m trying to convey here. I’m trying to point out that open contempt for those whose votes you wish to garner is unlikely to be a winning strategy. I’m saying that there are people who believe in the broccoli and can sell the broccoli without making the fen-fen users into objects of ridicule. In this analogy, we are all eating either broccoli or fen-fen. I’d rather force my broccoli on them, then let them force their fen-fen on me, because broccoli may be boring, but fen-fen is dangerous. If the proponents of Fen-fen refuse to even look at the studies, and make fun of me for bringing them up, what exactly am I supposed to do? The only reason at all that they should not be mocked and ignored and excluded from decision making is because they make up a large population. Just because many people believe something doesn’t make it true, but good luck getting someone to believe that. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2016, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-supporters-are-flawed-people/771345/94 "2016-11-10T17:23:44Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Maybe that’s how they self identify? If only. ---
**Author:** ![sleestak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/919ad9/32.png) [@sleestak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sleestak)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2016, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-supporters-are-flawed-people/771345/95 "2016-11-10T17:25:22Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > So again, we should lie to them? I realize these people resent the “elitism” of the left, but at a certain point the fact that there’s a clear intellectual divide here is just not something that can be ignored. . Did you ever stop to think that the intellectual divide isn’t that those who disagree with you are stupid, but rather you _do not understand_ in any way, shape or form what those who disagree with you value and you _do not understand_ in any way shape or form what would make their life better? Of course not. Slee ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2016, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-supporters-are-flawed-people/771345/96 "2016-11-10T17:25:40Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Maybe that’s how they self identify? As moronic mouth breathers? ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2016, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-supporters-are-flawed-people/771345/97 "2016-11-10T17:28:49Z")
> [@sleestak](#): > > Did you ever stop to think that the intellectual divide isn’t that those who disagree with you are stupid, but rather you _do not understand_ in any way, shape or form what those who disagree with you value and you _do not understand_ in any way shape or form what would make their life better? > > Of course not. > > Slee That’s b.s. A good environment policy doesn’t just benefit those who happen to agree with the science of climate change. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2016, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-supporters-are-flawed-people/771345/98 "2016-11-10T17:29:27Z")
> [@Jane\_Smythe](#): > > Hard to do. She was right: at least half of them are deplorable: they are bigots, racists, Islamaphobes, homophobes, poorly educated, ignorant, xenapobes, low information people who are full of hate and anger. > > How can we value such people? They are a blight on the landscape of a beautiful, free America. You know that how? ---
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> [@octopus](#): > > You know that how? Look how they voted. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2016, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-supporters-are-flawed-people/771345/100 "2016-11-10T17:32:10Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Yup: it means, as I have long suspected, I’m the only sane one on the planet, and the only real hope for mankind. Bricker 2024! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-supporters-are-flawed-people/771345.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-supporters-are-flawed-people/771345.md?page=6)