# Trump supporters who need the ACA are in for a rude surprise **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 21, 2016, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-supporters-who-need-the-aca-are-in-for-a-rude-surprise/775301 "2016-12-21T15:08:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![marshmallow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df705f/32.png) [@marshmallow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/marshmallow)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2016, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-supporters-who-need-the-aca-are-in-for-a-rude-surprise/775301/21 "2016-12-21T19:03:07Z")
They’ll blame the negative effects of repealing the ACA on Obama and the Dems for destroying the healthcare and insurance industries with their socialist pipe dreams. The red tribe will eat it up. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2016, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-supporters-who-need-the-aca-are-in-for-a-rude-surprise/775301/22 "2016-12-21T19:17:54Z")
> [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](#): > > I read this in the NYT: > > House Republicans, responding to criticism that repealing the Affordable Care Act would leave millions without health insurance, said on Thursday that their goal in replacing President Obama’s health law was to guarantee “universal access” to health care and coverage, not necessarily to ensure that everyone actually has insurance. > > What does that even mean? Coverage just magically appears out of the aether? Yet another GOP bald-faced lie. You cannot have universal access when companies are free to deny you coverage. Not letting them deny coverage was _kinda the point_ of ACA. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2016, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-supporters-who-need-the-aca-are-in-for-a-rude-surprise/775301/23 "2016-12-21T19:28:47Z")
Well, now, just a second there! You’ve \*got \*the coverage, no denying that! They can take it away from you, but you still have it until they do. After all, can’t take away something that isn’t there in the first place, now can you? (Been learning a lot here about how to think like a tighty-righty. Not sure that is good mental hygiene.) ---
**Author:** ![Disgruntled\_Penguin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a8b319/32.png) [@Disgruntled\_Penguin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Disgruntled_Penguin)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2016, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-supporters-who-need-the-aca-are-in-for-a-rude-surprise/775301/24 "2016-12-21T19:35:33Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Well, now, just a second there! You’ve \*got \*the coverage, no denying that! They can take it away from you, but you still have it until they do. After all, can’t take away something that isn’t there in the first place, now can you? > > (Been learning a lot here about how to think like a tighty-righty. Not sure that is good mental hygiene.) I disagree. The liberals took God out of the schools after all. ( live around them long enough and it gets much easier to do tighty-righty thinking ) ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2016, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-supporters-who-need-the-aca-are-in-for-a-rude-surprise/775301/25 "2016-12-21T21:14:37Z")
Also, I find the title of this thread problematic. It’s like saying, “Man who put loaded gun to his head, was warned for _years_ that if he pulled the trigger he would die, and still pulls it anyways is in for a rude surprise”. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2016, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-supporters-who-need-the-aca-are-in-for-a-rude-surprise/775301/26 "2016-12-21T21:38:25Z")
It might sting for a bit, but not for long. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2016, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-supporters-who-need-the-aca-are-in-for-a-rude-surprise/775301/27 "2016-12-21T21:55:43Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > Also, I find the title of this thread problematic. It’s like saying, “Man who put loaded gun to his head, was warned for _years_ that if he pulled the trigger he would die, and still pulls it anyways is in for a rude surprise”. Well, he thought the bullets were made of soap bubbles and it was all in fun. Or he thought the gun was carved from a bar of chocolate. Why? Because he was stupid. He believed his con man leader. “What?? You’re really gonna **do it**??” He was like that sad, sad little 7-year old in the suicide bombing thread. Hugs and kisses and “you’ll be fine,” then-- !! “I didn’t think you’d go **through** with it!” ---
**Author:** ![Shoeless](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shoeless/32/7099_2.png) [@Shoeless](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shoeless)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2016, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-supporters-who-need-the-aca-are-in-for-a-rude-surprise/775301/28 "2016-12-22T00:14:14Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > My prediction is that the ACA will remain essentially the same, with some non-substantive window dressing thrown on. There will be a bill to re-name it “Trumpcare”. > > And the idiot Republican voters will cheer and cheer at this wonderful invention, that is exactly the same as “Obamacare”. Because they are gullible fools. I’ve been expecting that this is exactly what they will do. First of all, they’ve been saying for eight years that they were going to repeal it and replace it with something better, but we’ve never heard a word about what that “something better” will consist of. So obviously they do not have any better ideas. Second, it has been shown that people who are against “Obamacare” are actually in favor of the “Affordable Care Act”, not realizing that they are one and the same. So it doesn’t matter what’s in it, as long as you get the name right. So all they have to do is repeal “Obamacare”, pass a new law with a new name that does the exact same thing, and they will be heroes. ---
**Author:** ![jshore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b5e925/32.png) [@jshore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jshore)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2016, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-supporters-who-need-the-aca-are-in-for-a-rude-surprise/775301/29 "2016-12-22T00:32:03Z")
> [@Shoeless](#): > > So all they have to do is repeal “Obamacare”, pass a new law with a new name that does the exact same thing, and they will be heroes. Part of me thinks they will do this…and part of me not. There will be interesting fights between the true-blood ideologues and the pragmatists who realize what a disaster the ideologues’ ideas would lean them into. We can sit back and eat popcorn and watch them fight it out. (No, I am not seriously advocating a completely cavalier attitude about what they do…but, seriously, the Republicans will soon learn that governing is a lot harder than just trying to undermine the government.) ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2016, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-supporters-who-need-the-aca-are-in-for-a-rude-surprise/775301/30 "2016-12-22T00:36:02Z")
> [@MindsEye\_Watering](#): > > The most profoundly stupid and uninformed voters in America put the most spectacularly unqualified candidate into the world’s most powerful office. > > What could go wrong? Not only that, they gave him the nuclear codes without so much as a 5 minute lesson on using them. Not even an owners manual. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2016, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-supporters-who-need-the-aca-are-in-for-a-rude-surprise/775301/31 "2016-12-22T00:45:59Z")
> [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](#): > > I read this in the NYT: > > House Republicans, responding to criticism that repealing the Affordable Care Act would leave millions without health insurance, said on Thursday that their goal in replacing President Obama’s health law was to guarantee “universal access” to health care and coverage, not necessarily to ensure that everyone actually has insurance. > > What does that even mean? Coverage just magically appears out of the aether? > > Republicans have an **“ironclad commitment”** to repeal the law, the aide said, as lawmakers moved to discredit predictions that many people would lose coverage. Sounds to me they’re saying they’re talking about keeping the “can’t deny due to preconditions” part but getting rid of the mandate., which, from a political standpoint, makes sense, since the mandate is the least popular part of the ACA. ---
**Author:** ![jshore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b5e925/32.png) [@jshore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jshore)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2016, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-supporters-who-need-the-aca-are-in-for-a-rude-surprise/775301/32 "2016-12-22T01:03:02Z")
> [@Captain\_Amazing](#): > > Sounds to me they’re saying they’re talking about keeping the “can’t deny due to preconditions” part but getting rid of the mandate., which, from a political standpoint, makes sense, since the mandate is the least popular part of the ACA. Yeah…and they are talking about getting rid of the taxes but keeping the spending. But, what are they going to do once they find out it don’t work that way? (I’m not just asking that rhetorically…I really am wondering what will happen.) ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2016, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-supporters-who-need-the-aca-are-in-for-a-rude-surprise/775301/33 "2016-12-22T01:13:34Z")
> [@jshore](#): > > Part of me thinks they will do this…and part of me not. There will be interesting fights between the true-blood ideologues and the pragmatists who realize what a disaster the ideologues’ ideas would lean them into. We can sit back and eat popcorn and watch them fight it out. (No, I am not seriously advocating a completely cavalier attitude about what they do…but, seriously, the Republicans will soon learn that governing is a lot harder than just trying to undermine the government.) But how can the government be blamed when there won’t be a government left by the time Trump and his merry band of swamp dwellers are done with it? ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2016, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-supporters-who-need-the-aca-are-in-for-a-rude-surprise/775301/34 "2016-12-22T01:18:46Z")
> [@Shoeless](#): > > … > > First of all, they’ve been saying for eight years that they were going to repeal it and replace it with something better, but we’ve never heard a word about what that “something better” will consist of. So obviously they do not have any better ideas. > > … Haven’t y’all been paying attention? The Republicans do have a plan. HHS nominee Price has had a replacement in his back pocket for years. This is presumably why he got the HHS nod. [5 Things To Know About Rep. Tom Price’s Health Care Ideas](http://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2016/11/29/503720671/5-things-to-know-about-rep-tom-prices-health-care-ideas) > [@](#): > > Price, an orthopedic surgeon from the suburbs of Atlanta, introduced his own legislation to repeal and replace Obamacare in the current Congress and the three previous sessions. > … > > 1. Price’s plan offers fixed tax credits so people can buy their own insurance on the private market. The credit starts at $1,200 a year and rises with age, but isn’t adjusted for income. Everyone receives the same credit whether they are rich or poor. People on Medicaid, Medicare, the military health plan known as Tricare, or the Veterans Affairs’ health plan could opt instead for the tax credit to buy private insurance. > > 2. Price advocates for expansion of health savings accounts, which allow people to save money before taxes to pay for health care. This includes allowing people who are covered by government health programs including Medicare and the VA to contribute to health savings accounts to pay for premiums and copayments. These proposals are included in Ryan’s plan. > > 3. People with existing medical conditions couldn’t be denied coverage under Price’s plan as long as they had continuous insurance for 18 months prior to selecting a new policy. If they didn’t, then they could be denied coverage for that condition for up to 18 months after buying a new plan. > > 4. The Price proposal limits the amount of money companies can deduct from their taxes for employee health insurance expenses. Companies can deduct up to $20,000 for a family health insurance plan and $8,000 for an individual. The goal is to discourage companies from offering overly generous insurance benefits to their workers. Ryan’s plan proposes a cap on the employer tax deduction but doesn’t specify the level of the cap. > > 5. States would get federal money to create so-called high-risk pools under Price’s plan. These are government-run health plans for people with existing medical conditions who can’t get affordable health insurance on the private market. Critics say high-risk pools have been tried in as many as 34 states and largely failed because they were routinely underfunded. Google \ for plenty of commentary and more detail. His plan is full of land mines and tiger traps. ---
**Author:** ![Tee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@Tee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tee)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2016, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-supporters-who-need-the-aca-are-in-for-a-rude-surprise/775301/35 "2016-12-22T01:38:58Z")
> [@jshore](#): > > Part of me thinks they will do this…and part of me not. There will be interesting fights between the true-blood ideologues and the pragmatists who realize what a disaster the ideologues’ ideas would lean them into. We can sit back and eat popcorn and watch them fight it out. (No, I am not seriously advocating a completely cavalier attitude about what they do…but, seriously, the Republicans will soon learn that governing is a lot harder than just trying to undermine the government.) I agree with watching the interesting fights, I just don’t think it will do any good for us as a whole because the ACA by itself is failing to make health care affordable. The Republicans aren’t offering any fixes for that no matter which of its factions wins. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2016, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-supporters-who-need-the-aca-are-in-for-a-rude-surprise/775301/36 "2016-12-22T03:38:52Z")
> [@jshore](#): > > Yeah…and they are talking about getting rid of the taxes but keeping the spending. But, what are they going to do once they find out it don’t work that way? (I’m not just asking that rhetorically…I really am wondering what will happen.) Gut the constructive portions of the government entirely regardless of the consequences. That’s been a strategy of theirs for years, “Starve the beast”; the idea that they should boost the debt as high as possible, slash taxes as much as possible and crash the economy as hard as possible so that the government will have no money and be _forced_ to massively shrink due to the money just not being there. Of course that’ll create a great deal of misery and death; but for Republicans that’s a bonus, not a problem. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2016, 5:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-supporters-who-need-the-aca-are-in-for-a-rude-surprise/775301/37 "2016-12-22T05:13:08Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > Good. I have absolutely no fucking sympathy for these people. If this is what’s going to happen to good, honest people who _didn’t_ vote to fuck everyone in the ass: > > Then I have absolutely no fucking sympathy, and I honestly have to hope, for the sake of the people I am willing to give a shit about, that they either don’t live to see the next election or stop being such fucking _morons_. In the words of Bill Hicks: “He’s a moron, he’s dead—good, we lost a moron, fuckin’ celebrate. Wow, I just felt the world get lighter. We lost a moron!” You sound like me now. I say, let them roast in the hell of their own making. They wanted it, they got it. Bon appetit. And when they DO die for lack of the insurance and benefits they thought they were taking away from someone ELSE, remember the words of Lemmy… > [@Lemmy](#): > > “People don’t become better when they’re dead; you just talk about them as if they are. But it’s not true! People are still assholes, they’re just dead assholes!” ---
**Author:** ![Disgruntled\_Penguin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a8b319/32.png) [@Disgruntled\_Penguin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Disgruntled_Penguin)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2016, 7:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-supporters-who-need-the-aca-are-in-for-a-rude-surprise/775301/38 "2016-12-22T07:37:39Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > You sound like me now. I say, let them roast in the hell of their own making. They wanted it, they got it. Bon appetit. Shanna, they bought their tickets, they knew what they were getting into. I say, let 'em crash. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2016, 8:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-supporters-who-need-the-aca-are-in-for-a-rude-surprise/775301/39 "2016-12-22T08:32:13Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > My prediction is that the ACA will remain essentially the same, with some non-substantive window dressing thrown on. There will be a bill to re-name it “Trumpcare”. > > And the idiot Republican voters will cheer and cheer at this wonderful invention, that is exactly the same as “Obamacare”. Because they are gullible fools. Yes, it would be a public relations disaster for the GOP to actually repeal ACA. However, the changes will not just be non-substantive window dressing. They will want to improve drug and insurance company profits while bilking the taxpayers and running up the deficit to further “Starve the Beast.” They’ll take the credit for any good left in ACA while blaming the Democrats for the problems. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2016, 10:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-supporters-who-need-the-aca-are-in-for-a-rude-surprise/775301/40 "2016-12-22T10:50:11Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > Yes, it would be a public relations disaster for the GOP to actually repeal ACA. I don’t think they care; they’re True Believers. They’ll destroy it not out of some calculation of political advantage, but because they genuinely hate it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-supporters-who-need-the-aca-are-in-for-a-rude-surprise/775301.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-supporters-who-need-the-aca-are-in-for-a-rude-surprise/775301.md?page=3)