# Trump supporters who need the ACA are in for a rude surprise **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 21, 2016, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-supporters-who-need-the-aca-are-in-for-a-rude-surprise/775301 "2016-12-21T15:08:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2016, 4:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-supporters-who-need-the-aca-are-in-for-a-rude-surprise/775301/81 "2016-12-31T04:04:47Z")
Boy, I can sure confirm that, hung out with lefties my whole adult life. Couldn’t begin to tell you how many bitter arguments I’ve heard over the value of California chardonnay, or domestic brie. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2016, 4:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-supporters-who-need-the-aca-are-in-for-a-rude-surprise/775301/82 "2016-12-31T04:14:28Z")
> [@Saintly\_Loser](#): > > Wake up. It’s about time that the Democratic party realized that the near-total contempt in which urban liberals hold working people played a significant part in Trump’s election. And yet it’s Republicans who block minimum wage increases, hate unions, hate safety and wage regulations, hate subsidies for healthcare. Yes, they _love_ the working class. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2016, 4:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-supporters-who-need-the-aca-are-in-for-a-rude-surprise/775301/83 "2016-12-31T04:23:46Z")
> [@Saintly\_Loser](#): > > Wake up. It’s about time that the Democratic party realized that the near-total contempt in which urban liberals hold working people played a significant part in Trump’s election. I keep hearing about how working-class, blue-collar workers voted for Trump because they’re angry; angry at liberals, angry at the media, angry at beltway politicians, etc. What I haven’t heard anybody ask is this, have you ever made a good decision when you were angry? When the anger wears off, and you look back, are you ever proud of what you did while you were angry? ---
**Author:** ![eulalia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eulalia/32/457_2.png) [@eulalia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eulalia)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2016, 5:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-supporters-who-need-the-aca-are-in-for-a-rude-surprise/775301/84 "2016-12-31T05:31:57Z")
> [@Saintly\_Loser](#): > > Wake up. It’s about time that the Democratic party realized that the near-total contempt in which urban liberals hold working people played a significant part in Trump’s election. What the hell makes you rural yokels think that urban liberals _aren’t_ working people? They work just as hard or harder than you do, and I’m everlastingly tired of this crap, fomented by the rich to divide people who would unite against them if the lower classes could ever figure out what cooperation could do for them. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2016, 5:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-supporters-who-need-the-aca-are-in-for-a-rude-surprise/775301/85 "2016-12-31T05:37:40Z")
> [@russian\_heel](#): > > Yeah theres been 2 stories like this. In Florida bluehairs who voted for Trump are worried about losing their Obamacare, and just a day or 2 ago there was an article that coal miner hillbillies from West Virginia were in the same predicament. > > Sorry, Grandma, you and millions of worthless racist old people wont get to keep leeching off our system and Mr. Coalminer the GOOD news is Trump will give you tat wonderful, safe low paying mining job back, too bad there wont be any money to pay for your black lung or regulation to keep you from getting buried in a cave in. > > This is so typical of many Americans, and even more despicable when they are Republicans: they are all in favor of cutting government benefits, just as long as its not one of their goodies. I hope every single one of these people lose all their benefits and go broke. Idiots! They wanted this guy, they voted for him, they can live with it now. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2016, 5:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-supporters-who-need-the-aca-are-in-for-a-rude-surprise/775301/86 "2016-12-31T05:48:25Z")
> [@Saintly\_Loser](#): > > Wake up. It’s about time that the Democratic party realized that the near-total contempt in which urban liberals hold working people played a significant part in Trump’s election. Too damn bad. We work for a living too, and we aren’t on the dole or sucking up subsidies. As for any contempt, I’d say at this point it’s been earned. In fact my state pays for those subsidies to West Virginia, Arkansas, Iowa, etc. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2016, 6:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-supporters-who-need-the-aca-are-in-for-a-rude-surprise/775301/87 "2016-12-31T06:23:16Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > He can’t, but he and the Republicans together can. And I expect them to. At best, I expect a forcible regression to a society like the 1920’s/1930s; no one not a white Christian man permitted to vote, the wealthy and the corporations allowed to be as corrupt and destructive as the please while the people go hungry; women essentially reduced to slaves; homosexuals imprisoned or killed; and an economy in collapse. Except worse because it’ll all be imposed from above by force. And with a state religion added to the mix. Nice to see you abandoning the usual hyperbole, **Der Trihs**. ---
**Author:** ![Saintly\_Loser](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saintly_loser/32/4045_2.png) [@Saintly\_Loser](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saintly_Loser)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2016, 6:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-supporters-who-need-the-aca-are-in-for-a-rude-surprise/775301/88 "2016-12-31T06:41:41Z")
> [@eulalia](#): > > What the hell makes you rural yokels think that urban liberals _aren’t_ working people? They work just as hard or harder than you do, and I’m everlastingly tired of this crap, fomented by the rich to divide people who would unite against them if the lower classes could ever figure out what cooperation could do for them. Than I do? I \*am \*an urban liberal. I voted for Sanders in the primary, Clinton in the general election. But if liberals in general and the Democratic Party in particular can’t take a hard look at themselves and try to figure out what went wrong, there’s no hope. ---
**Author:** ![Saintly\_Loser](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saintly_loser/32/4045_2.png) [@Saintly\_Loser](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saintly_Loser)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2016, 6:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-supporters-who-need-the-aca-are-in-for-a-rude-surprise/775301/89 "2016-12-31T06:44:12Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > And yet it’s Republicans who block minimum wage increases, hate unions, hate safety and wage regulations, hate subsidies for healthcare. > > Yes, they _love_ the working class. No shit. But if the Democratic Party managed to lose the election to fucking _Donald Trump_, it’s about time they (we) woke up and took a hard look at themselves and figure out what they’re doing wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Saintly\_Loser](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saintly_loser/32/4045_2.png) [@Saintly\_Loser](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saintly_Loser)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2016, 6:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-supporters-who-need-the-aca-are-in-for-a-rude-surprise/775301/90 "2016-12-31T06:45:29Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > Too damn bad. > > We work for a living too, and we aren’t on the dole or sucking up subsidies. As for any contempt, I’d say at this point it’s been earned. In fact my state pays for those subsidies to West Virginia, Arkansas, Iowa, etc. You sound like a Republican talking about welfare queens. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2016, 7:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-supporters-who-need-the-aca-are-in-for-a-rude-surprise/775301/91 "2016-12-31T07:35:35Z")
> [@Saintly\_Loser](#): > > Wake up. It’s about time that the Democratic party realized that the near-total contempt in which urban liberals hold working people played a significant part in Trump’s election. People voted for Trump because they were scum, and “urban liberals” didn’t see it coming because they didn’t hold them in contempt like they evidently should have. And Trump and the Republicans won on being insulting, contemptuous towards their opponents, as well as slanderous and threatening. There is simply no evidence at all that being “polite” is a winning strategy; going by this election Hillary should have just called the Republicans traitorous devil worshipers and made up stories about how Trump is a cannibalistic child molester. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2016, 8:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-supporters-who-need-the-aca-are-in-for-a-rude-surprise/775301/92 "2016-12-31T08:44:20Z")
> [@Saintly\_Loser](#): > > No shit. > > But if the Democratic Party managed to lose the election to fucking _Donald Trump_, it’s about time they (we) woke up and took a hard look at themselves and figure out what they’re doing wrong. Could be Democrats aren’t doing anything wrong. It’s entirely possible it’s just self-destructive American culture that breeds stupid conservatives that always want to tear things down and watch it burn rather than let women, minorites and non-Christians ever achieve anything. That could be it. American culture just can’t handle what it’s got, and we’re eventually headed for the shitter. Wouldn’t be the first time a culture has failed. Maybe we could improve our educational system somehow, but again, it could be Americans by and large just don’t want success. Democrats probably can’t do much about that. You can’t force people to grow up and use their brains. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2016, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-supporters-who-need-the-aca-are-in-for-a-rude-surprise/775301/93 "2016-12-31T14:31:54Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > He can’t, but he and the Republicans together can. And I expect them to. At best, I expect a forcible regression to a society like the 1920’s/1930s; no one not a white Christian man permitted to vote, the wealthy and the corporations allowed to be as corrupt and destructive as the please while the people go hungry; women essentially reduced to slaves; homosexuals imprisoned or killed; and an economy in collapse. Except worse because it’ll all be imposed from above by force. And with a state religion added to the mix. The 19th Amendment was ratified in Aug 1920, just so you know. And I think I missed the history lesson about the Jacob Crowstein laws in NY that kept Jews from voting. Other than that, let’s bookmark this post and see how prophetic it was 3 years hence. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2016, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-supporters-who-need-the-aca-are-in-for-a-rude-surprise/775301/94 "2016-12-31T14:42:31Z")
> [@Saintly\_Loser](#): > > Wake up. It’s about time that the Democratic party realized that the near-total contempt in which urban liberals hold working people played a significant part in Trump’s election. This is such a load of horseshit. This is a fantasy image of who “urban liberals” are and what they think. I’m from a working-class part of the Bronx. My friends and relatives are working class and mostly vote Democratic. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2016, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-supporters-who-need-the-aca-are-in-for-a-rude-surprise/775301/95 "2016-12-31T14:47:17Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > … Maybe we could improve our educational system somehow, … We need to do this, but Republicans aren’t interested. The public schools need to be improved. To a sane person, the next step is obvious: address what is wrong. To a Republican, however, the next step is to run from the problem and leave it to get worse. Vouchers on the public dime for kids to attend private schools, let the public schools rot and be ignored. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2016, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-supporters-who-need-the-aca-are-in-for-a-rude-surprise/775301/96 "2016-12-31T15:11:47Z")
Also because, as Trump said while savoring his Nevada win, “I love the poorly educated.” It’s in the electoral interests of the party in power \*not \*to address the problem, or even to admit there is one. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2016, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-supporters-who-need-the-aca-are-in-for-a-rude-surprise/775301/97 "2016-12-31T15:42:20Z")
> [@Saintly\_Loser](#): > > Than I do? I \*am \*an urban liberal. I must assume you hate rural people, then. ---
**Author:** ![Walmarticus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Walmarticus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walmarticus)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2016, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-supporters-who-need-the-aca-are-in-for-a-rude-surprise/775301/98 "2016-12-31T15:49:08Z")
and what’s so damn great about coal miners? My Dad got his start repairing TVs. That doesn’t happen anymore either. I’ve lived in the Appalachians my whole life and I don’t know any coal miners. Rural people are weirdly fetishistic about things. They don’t work on farms. They work at Walmart and wait tables and install cable. But then every country song is about ‘lets get on the back of my daddy’s tractor and drink whiskey’. And I think they’re exaggerating how much they like Whiskey too. IRL vodka is cheaper and goes better. They don’t actually chew tobacco. They just smoke. It’s like their culture is so weak that they have a death grip on anything that’s vaguely cultural to them. If they weren’t so against like gay culture and immigrant culture, maybe they wouldn’t have to be so weirdly fetishistic about, say, blue jeans (not even wearing them- all Americans wear blue jeans. But not all Americans have to sing about it). ---
**Author:** ![MindsEye\_Watering](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mindseye_watering/32/3619_2.png) [@MindsEye\_Watering](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MindsEye_Watering)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2016, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-supporters-who-need-the-aca-are-in-for-a-rude-surprise/775301/99 "2016-12-31T16:17:31Z")
> [@Saintly\_Loser](#): > > No shit. > > But if the Democratic Party managed to lose the election to fucking _Donald Trump_, it’s about time they (we) woke up and took a hard look at themselves and figure out what they’re doing wrong. Trump won because of lazy and apathetic Democrat voters that assumed that Mrs. Clinton was a shoo-in. No matter how you talk to or about Trump voters, their “minds” will not be changed. They are stupid and badly informed and always will be. There is **no** “winning them over.” ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2016, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-supporters-who-need-the-aca-are-in-for-a-rude-surprise/775301/100 "2016-12-31T16:31:31Z")
> [@Walmarticus](#): > > …It’s like their culture is so weak that they have a death grip on anything that’s vaguely cultural to them. If they weren’t so against like gay culture and immigrant culture, maybe they wouldn’t have to be so weirdly fetishistic about, say, blue jeans (not even wearing them- all Americans wear blue jeans. But not all Americans have to sing about it). The oddest thing, when visiting my wife’s brother in Texas (they are well to do rural living Trump supporters) I heard this - “Only fags wear Levis, we all wear Wranglers”. Um, what? We get along great with these folks. But we certainly don’t talk about politics. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-supporters-who-need-the-aca-are-in-for-a-rude-surprise/775301.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-supporters-who-need-the-aca-are-in-for-a-rude-surprise/775301.md?page=6)