# Trump Tariffs Struck Down **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [May 29, 2025, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-tariffs-struck-down/1018927 "2025-05-29T00:26:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![penultima\_thule](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/penultima_thule/32/3833_2.png) [@penultima\_thule](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/penultima_thule)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2026, 6:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-tariffs-struck-down/1018927/201 "2026-02-23T06:45:44Z")
> [@Tamerlane](#): > > Right now he has to play Trump’s willing henchman. And he’ll only get to perambulate in 45/47’s ballroom if he primaries on that ticket. Now, yes the man is demonstrably capable of monumental reversals of conviction for political advantage. But I don’t see the Reaganite Republican that he once was taking the podium before Election 2028. ---
**Author:** ![dtilque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d6d6ee/32.png) [@dtilque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dtilque)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2026, 7:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-tariffs-struck-down/1018927/202 "2026-02-23T07:53:53Z")
> [@penultima\_thule](#): > > So leave them in the market but put the price up 25% via a sales tax. That’ll learn 'em. Tariffs _are_ a sales tax. > [@Czarcasm](#): > > Everf time I see a thread title like this, I assume that what is meant is “Court Says He Can’t Do It, So He Throws A Temper Tantrum and Says He Is Going To Do It Anyway”. That’s pretty much what’s happening, since he immediately imposed a 10% 15% new tariff based on a different law. I’ve seen complaints somewhere that the Customs people are still collecting the struckdown tariffs. That’s likely due to bureaucratic inertia. It takes them a while to reprogram the computers to collect the proper tariffs. The same thing happened last spring when all those tariffs were first applied to lots of countries and then TACOed for some of them. ---
**Author:** ![penultima\_thule](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/penultima_thule/32/3833_2.png) [@penultima\_thule](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/penultima_thule)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2026, 8:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-tariffs-struck-down/1018927/203 "2026-02-23T08:52:22Z")
> [@dtilque](#): > > Tariffs _are_ a sales tax. If you want to exercise your prerogative to nit pick you need to be more precise than that. Tariffs are levied on the FOB value of goods at the proscribed rate on the date the shipment is landed and are payable by the importer or their customs agent. Whether the goods are then sold or not is immaterial. The goods could be raw materials used by the importer or imported directly by the retail consumer. Tariffs increase the landed cost of goods and where possible the importer will try to pass this cost on to their customer. Maybe even cost plus (say for financing etc). A sales tax (and there are many variants) is levied on the at the point of sale, whether of imported or domestic origin. So it increases the price of goods. And the charge may well be specifically itemised on the bill. You might recall a brouhaha when some US wholesalers floated the idea of itemising the tariff impact on the price. Which is only really practical if the retailed goods are sold in their imported form. A tariff will increase the value of your inventory. A sales tax does not. Sales taxes can be levied on services. This would be unusual for a tariff. So a 10% tariff and a 10% sales tax raise different amounts, and are paid by different levels in the supply chain. And in a “perfect” market both tariffs and sales taxes are ultimately paid by the end-consumer. They are both taxes on consumption. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2026, 8:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-tariffs-struck-down/1018927/204 "2026-02-23T08:57:38Z")
> [@penultima\_thule](#): > > If you want to exercise your prerogative to nit pick you need to be more precise than that. > > Tariffs are levied on the FOB value of goods at the proscribed rate Ever-vigilant in my role as a pedantic canine, you mean “prescribed” rate, not “proscribed”. 😉 Woof! 🐶 ---
**Author:** ![penultima\_thule](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/penultima_thule/32/3833_2.png) [@penultima\_thule](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/penultima_thule)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2026, 9:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-tariffs-struck-down/1018927/205 "2026-02-23T09:22:55Z")
In the spirit of the SDMB, having been fairly rumbled I can only doff my cap and concede. Well played. 🙃 ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2026, 11:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-tariffs-struck-down/1018927/206 "2026-02-23T11:59:04Z")
And, somewhere, [Gaudere](https://ianferrel.wordpress.com/2005/05/19/gauderes-law/) looks up, as if someone called her name. ---
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2026, 12:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-tariffs-struck-down/1018927/207 "2026-02-23T12:54:22Z")
My fear is that, as Trump is so insane, anyone slightly less so, like Vance, could have a good hope of retaining the MAGAs and appealing to the slightly less so. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2026, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-tariffs-struck-down/1018927/208 "2026-02-23T14:05:31Z")
Trump brags that the Supreme Court ruling gives him more power to use tariffs in “a much more powerful and obnoxious way”: > “The court has also approved all other Tariffs, of which there are many, and they can all be used in a much more powerful and obnoxious way, with legal certainty, than the Tariffs as initially used.” > **[Trump threatens ‘more powerful and obnoxious’ tariffs, amid confusion in UK...](https://www.theguardian.com/business/live/2026/feb/23/us-dollar-stock-markets-losses-trump-global-tariff-supreme-court-news-updates)** > > Rolling coverage of the latest economic and financial news ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2026, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-tariffs-struck-down/1018927/209 "2026-02-23T14:44:50Z")
He’s definitely got the obnoxious part down pat. Can you imagine any other president bragging about the supreme court giving him the power to be more obnoxious? Glad we have a 6th grader leading the country. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2026, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-tariffs-struck-down/1018927/210 "2026-02-23T14:52:55Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Trump brags that the Supreme Court ruling gives him more power to use tariffs in “a much more powerful and obnoxious way”: Trump is headed towards the brick wall of a constitutional crisis and he’s flooring it instead of swerving or hitting the breaks. Maybe it’s a good thing. Of all the fights he _could_ pick with the Supreme Court, this is one where he doesn’t have the full support of his base or his party. And even (half of) his appointments on the Supreme Court know that backing down to him here would mean a severe degradation of their own power. Also, obligatory: just imagine the brains melting of Obama ever did something like this when he was in office! ---
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2026, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-tariffs-struck-down/1018927/211 "2026-02-23T14:58:06Z")
WRT fealty/deference to Trump, I have been surprised and confused by the actions/motivations of many right-leaning influential and powerful persons in Congress/judiciary. I do know a little bit about federal judges and I submit that it is a minority of such folk who respond well to overt disrespect. Few lessons are more basic - or simpler - for a litigant or representative than, _“Don’t go out of your way to piss off the judge.”_ Will be interesting to see how this works for him. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2026, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-tariffs-struck-down/1018927/212 "2026-02-23T15:02:12Z")
> [@Dinsdale](#): > > Few lessons are more basic - or simpler - for a litigant or representative than, _“Don’t go out of your way to piss off the judge.”_ Will be interesting to see how this works for him. What would be really interesting is if he insults any of the three toadies who ruled for him on this badly enough that they accidentally grow a spine and stand up to him. I’d be pretty insulted if I was a dignified Supreme Court justice who made what I thought was a legally jurisprudent ruling only to have Trump go on TV and praise me like his favorite dog. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2026, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-tariffs-struck-down/1018927/213 "2026-02-23T15:32:24Z")
[C–SPAN has confirmed it want Trump on that call.](https://thehill.com/homenews/media/5750318-cspan-caller-not-trump/?tbref=hp) > The call came from a central Virginia phone number and came while the president was in a widely covered, in-person White-House meeting with the governors. ---
**Author:** ![Locrian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/locrian/32/14146_2.png) [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2026, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-tariffs-struck-down/1018927/214 "2026-02-23T17:10:29Z")
\*Wasn’t. ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2026, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-tariffs-struck-down/1018927/215 "2026-02-23T18:04:01Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > this is one where he doesn’t have the full support of his base or his party. His base doesn’t even know about it. You think Fox News is covering this? If the right doesn’t agree with something he does, it never makes “their” news sources or if it does, it is after they find the way to put their spin on it. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2026, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-tariffs-struck-down/1018927/216 "2026-02-23T18:43:08Z")
About the extremely overoptimistic title and OP: [Trump vows higher tariffs on countries that ‘play games’ with existing trade deals](https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5yvky5ldk1o) ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2026, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-tariffs-struck-down/1018927/217 "2026-02-23T19:00:20Z")
> [@Dinsdale](#): > > I do know a little bit about federal judges and I submit that it is a minority of such folk who respond well to overt disrespect. Few lessons are more basic - or simpler - for a litigant or representative than, _“Don’t go out of your way to piss off the judge.”_ It’s not going over well in general. [ACTL-Condemns-Personal-Attacks-on-Supreme-Court-Justices-by-President-Trump.pdf](https://www.actl.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/02/ACTL-Condemns-Personal-Attacks-on-Supreme-Court-Justices-by-President-Trump.pdf) ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2026, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-tariffs-struck-down/1018927/218 "2026-02-23T19:10:04Z")
I think by now there is realization that disapproval/condemnation without both the authority and the ability to do jack shit about it just doesn’t matter. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2026, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-tariffs-struck-down/1018927/219 "2026-02-23T19:13:38Z")
It doesn’t matter a lot, but it matters. Every current Supreme Court justice is an honorary member of ACTL, and will get the same email I did. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2026, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-tariffs-struck-down/1018927/220 "2026-02-23T19:32:39Z")
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