# Trump Tariffs Struck Down **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [May 29, 2025, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-tariffs-struck-down/1018927 "2025-05-29T00:26:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![dougrb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/76d3ee/32.png) [@dougrb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dougrb)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2026, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-tariffs-struck-down/1018927/161 "2026-02-21T00:42:31Z")
AND expensive! ---
**Author:** ![dougrb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/76d3ee/32.png) [@dougrb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dougrb)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2026, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-tariffs-struck-down/1018927/162 "2026-02-21T01:17:21Z")
Only 6 out of 25 countries had ONLY a 10% tariff before. [![](https://www.investopedia.com/thmb/57011wjCKrt7x29DIbhMDYoJ_G0=/1500x0/filters:no_upscale():max_bytes(150000):strip_icc()/GettyImages-2207587804-8427404b130c43cdbf76608c381b17e6.jpg) ](https://www.investopedia.com/thmb/57011wjCKrt7x29DIbhMDYoJ_G0=/1500x0/filters:no_upscale():max_bytes(150000):strip_icc()/GettyImages-2207587804-8427404b130c43cdbf76608c381b17e6.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Jihi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jihi/32/17768_2.png) [@Jihi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jihi)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2026, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-tariffs-struck-down/1018927/163 "2026-02-21T01:18:43Z")
It’s like Kavanaugh is just describing exactly what the Trump regime’s strategy has been all along. Do an illegal thing. Dare someone to sue them. Tie the case up in the courts for months on end. Appeal it all the way to the supreme court. The SC then sits on it for another few months. By the time any final decision comes down it’s too late to fix anything. I guess if it’s too difficult, too time consuming, or too expensive to fix we should just let criminals get away with doing criminal things. Me to Kavanaugh: “You are completely lacking in any sort of morality or legal ethics. How the hell did you even become a judge?” ---
**Author:** ![Q.Q.Switcheroo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/q.q.switcheroo/32/5713_2.png) [@Q.Q.Switcheroo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Q.Q.Switcheroo)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2026, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-tariffs-struck-down/1018927/164 "2026-02-21T01:19:57Z")
> [@dougrb](#): > > The Court says nothing today about whether, and if so how, the Government should go about returning the billions of dollars that it has collected from importers,” Kavanaugh wrote. Someone’s gotta go back and get a shitload of dimes. ---
**Author:** ![dougrb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/76d3ee/32.png) [@dougrb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dougrb)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2026, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-tariffs-struck-down/1018927/165 "2026-02-21T01:27:25Z")
He mentioned something about pennies today, and then said “But we don’t make 'em anymore” ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2026, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-tariffs-struck-down/1018927/166 "2026-02-21T01:50:05Z")
> [@Cheesesteak](#): > > Not for nothing, but the businesses suing for refunds can go screw unless they have absolute rock solid proof they didn’t pass the tariffs along to consumers. Do you have a cite for this? Everything I’ve seen online says this is not accurate. One example: “Businesses may be reimbursed while still profiting from the price hikes, leaving consumers to bear the burden without a refund.” Plus businesses raise prices all the time. Who’s to say whether it was due to tariffs or labor costs or…? ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2026, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-tariffs-struck-down/1018927/167 "2026-02-21T01:50:50Z")
> [@Jihi](#): > > How the hell did you even become a judge? Would you believe Jeffrey Epstein? > **[Epstein Gave Bannon Advice on How to Help Trump—and Brett Kavanaugh](https://newrepublic.com/post/203201/epstein-steve-bannon-advice-trump-texts)** > > Jeffrey Epstein was regularly in touch with one of Donald Trump’s closest advisers. ---
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2026, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-tariffs-struck-down/1018927/168 "2026-02-21T14:20:39Z")
> [@needscoffee](#): > > Do you have a cite for this? Everything I’ve seen online says this is not accurate. Haven’t been researching this, but some “expert” on NPR said yesterday that as computerized as everything is, it really would not be a terribly monumental task to ascertain what companies paid what tariffs, and to give them credits. Of course, no discussion of impact on consumers… ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2026, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-tariffs-struck-down/1018927/169 "2026-02-21T17:12:59Z")
Company board meeting: “We just were successful in getting 20 billion dollars back from those tariffs we paid” "Yippeee! Bonuses for the board and the CEO! “But how will we refund the consumers who paid for the tariffs?” Chorus: “ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!” ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2026, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-tariffs-struck-down/1018927/170 "2026-02-21T17:17:00Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > Trump has now doubled down and in an apparent “fuck you” to the Supreme Court, raised tariffs across the board by another 10%. …and now it’s 15% > **[Trump says he will raise global tariffs to 15% after Supreme Court decision](https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/trump-global-tariff-15-percent-supreme-court-decision/)** > > On Friday, President Trump signed a proclamation that would impose 10% tariffs on most foreign imports to the United States. I’m reminded of Andrew Jackson replying (paraphrased) “The Supreme Court made its decision. Now let them enforce it.” ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2026, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-tariffs-struck-down/1018927/171 "2026-02-21T17:26:57Z")
> [@Dinsdale](#): > > Haven’t been researching this, but some “expert” on NPR said yesterday that as computerized as everything is, it really would not be a terribly monumental task to ascertain what companies paid what tariffs I meant a cite for > [@Cheesesteak](#): > > the businesses suing for refunds can go screw **unless they have absolute rock solid proof they didn’t pass the tariffs along to consumers.** Bolding mine. The tariffs get repaid to the tariff payer, regardless of whether they passed along the increased costs to their buyers/consumers. I can’t find anything that says otherwise. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2026, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-tariffs-struck-down/1018927/172 "2026-02-21T17:37:30Z")
That chart that DJT is pointing to is [total bullshit.](https://www.factcheck.org/2025/04/trumps-misleading-tariff-chart/) One example: > Take the European Union, for example. The chart lists its tariffs charged for U.S. imports (again, including currency manipulation or trade barriers) as 39%. Trump said the U.S. would charge countries half of what they are charging the U.S., because charging the full reciprocal amount “would have been tough for a lot of countries.” So in the case of the EU, the “USA Discounted Reciprocal Tariffs” is 20%, the chart states. > > According to the [World Trade Organization](https://www.wto.org/english/res_e/statis_e/daily_update_e/tariff_profiles/CE_e.pdf), the EU’s trade-weighted average tariff rate is 2.7%. Trump also noted that European countries charge a value-added tax of about 20% — it [varies](https://taxfoundation.org/data/all/eu/value-added-tax-vat-rates-europe/) by country but that’s roughly accurate. But those taxes are levied on imports as well as domestic production, so the VAT does not provide any trade advantage. In any case, neither of those numbers factor into the White House’s math. > > How does the White House arrive at 39%? In 2024, the U.S. [goods trade deficit](https://ustr.gov/countries-regions/europe-middle-east/europe/european-union) with the EU was $235.6 billion. That year, the U.S. imported $605.8 billion worth of goods from the EU. So, $235.6 divided by $605.8 is 38.9%, or, rounded up, 39%. The center column has absolutely nothing to do with tariffs- it’s simply a ratio of trade deficit over total imports from any given country. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2026, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-tariffs-struck-down/1018927/173 "2026-02-21T18:55:31Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > The center column has absolutely nothing to do with tariffs- it’s simply a ratio of trade deficit over total imports from any given country. Yes, I recall this was pointed out at the time. Economists have a professional term for using math like this: “Complete bonkers batshit crazy.” ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2026, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-tariffs-struck-down/1018927/174 "2026-02-21T19:35:44Z")
I still think the MSM dropped the ball on this one. Steve Kornacki could have presented a clear explanation on how this tariff chart was a complete lie- other networks should have as well. To this day, rank and file MAGA remembers that chart and think that the US is getting ripped off big time by other countries. And why oh why don’t reporters ask the Orange Walrus at every news conference: “You made a tariff of 50% on Country X. Who pays for it?” Or, “can you show us a single tariff payment that a foreign nation has made to the US?’ To see how MAGA world is reacting to reacting to the Supreme Court decision, I needed only to look at the comments on my local television stations’ FB posts: > That’s no big deal there’s other ways around it. I guarantee we’re still going to keep getting our tariff money from other countries which is fantastic > > After Biden’s 21% inflation over 4 years, I’ll take the tariffs. > > So the supreme Court supports a trade Imbalance > > this the only way for manufacturing to come back to the US. > > Think if tariffs pay for government to run successfully. No need to Tax citizens !! > > I support fair tariffs no matter which democrat in congress is invested in China > > I just listened to President Trump’s press conference. Tariffs will continue to be implemented in a different way. Very disappointing for the media and its anti American followers. > > Or when do we have to give all the tariff money back to these countries and inflation goes up and everything goes up. > > Communist sympathizer judges! Always wanting to destroy American manufacturing from the inside! This will be detrimental to the country. The tariffs were forcing manufacturing jobs back to America so we would be reliant on each other in this country. At the same time it makes it so we are not reliant on foreign countries who do not care about us. VERY STUPID MOVE BY THE JUDGE!!! > > The Judicial Branch does not have Authority over the Executive Branch.D.Trump is Our Wartime President,He is in control,not these fake Non CONSTITUTIONAL JUDGES.Time to Wake up America. > > his tariffs were aimed at the countries that have had huge tariffs against us for years. Trying to make it a more even playing field, and he is getting pushed back because it cuts into certain politicians profits > > You only get part of the truth tariffs cost us money but they also generate way more revenue than they cost. > > thank you for your support of slave labor in other countries and the destruction of manufacturing in the Rustbelt. They don’t fucking get it any more than DJT himself. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2026, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-tariffs-struck-down/1018927/175 "2026-02-21T19:42:16Z")
The ignorance in those comments is just stupefying. Do these people have no intelligence whatsoever? Do they not listen to nor read any real news at all? I guess the answer is obvious. ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2026, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-tariffs-struck-down/1018927/176 "2026-02-21T19:48:08Z")
I think my favorite comment is > [@BobLibDem](#): > > The Judicial Branch does not have Authority over the Executive Branch. That certainly aligns with what DJT and the current GOP believe. He’s the a King! ---
**Author:** ![DWMarch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dwmarch/32/1010_2.png) [@DWMarch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DWMarch)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2026, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-tariffs-struck-down/1018927/177 "2026-02-21T19:55:16Z")
Remember how a long time ago I had a theory about Trump somehow personally making money off of tariffs? Well, this is only Trump-adjacent but I wouldn’t be at all surprised if he’s got a similar scheme in play: > **[Trump Secretary Silent as Sons Poised to Make Bank From End of Tariffs](https://finance.yahoo.com/news/trump-secretary-silent-sons-poised-213852683.html)** > > The Supreme Court ruling has helped the family of one man in particular: the architect behind Trump’s tariffs. TLDR version is that Lutnick’s sons are buying the rights to the refunds if the tariffs get struck down. So if you pay $10 million, they give you $2 million and pocket the $8 million refund. Is Trump smart enough to understand a scheme like this? Probably not but who knows. ---
**Author:** ![Ancient\_Nerd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ed655f/32.png) [@Ancient\_Nerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ancient_Nerd)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2026, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-tariffs-struck-down/1018927/178 "2026-02-21T20:09:29Z")
> [@DavidNRockies](#): > > Sound jurisprudence, but – Hey – he likes beer!! Introduces a new interpretation to the expression ‘Sober as a judge’. ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2026, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-tariffs-struck-down/1018927/179 "2026-02-21T23:35:37Z")
> [@DWMarch](#): > > TLDR version is that Lutnick’s sons are buying the rights to the refunds if the tariffs get struck down. So if you pay $10 million, they give you $2 million and pocket the $8 million refund. Could someone explain this to me as though I were a 10-year-old? How can someone buy the rights to someone else’s refunds? ---
**Author:** ![dougrb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/76d3ee/32.png) [@dougrb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dougrb)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2026, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-tariffs-struck-down/1018927/180 "2026-02-22T00:05:01Z")
From what I can tell… The Lutnic company pays $2M of a companies $10M in tarrifs (by agreement, like insurance). IF tarrifs get refunded, Lutnic gets $10M. If they don’t get refunded, Lutnic gets $0 and company saved $2M. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-tariffs-struck-down/1018927.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-tariffs-struck-down/1018927.md?page=10)