# Trump tells Congreswomen go back where you came from **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [July 14, 2019, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-tells-congreswomen-go-back-where-you-came-from/837068 "2019-07-14T15:45:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 19
**Author:** ![E-DUB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/e-dub/32/403_2.png) [@E-DUB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-DUB)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2019, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-tells-congreswomen-go-back-where-you-came-from/837068/361 "2019-07-20T16:27:09Z")
It is a pretty straight line from “Lock her up” through “Send her back” to “String her up”. I would never advocate such a thing but these folks would be awful easy to “Borat” into chanting _that_ at one of his rallies. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/ePQ9_re7f1A/maxresdefault.jpg "Borat's Rant And National Anthem At Rodeo") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePQ9_re7f1A) ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2019, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-tells-congreswomen-go-back-where-you-came-from/837068/362 "2019-07-20T18:15:18Z")
Trump saw that Pelosi was facing criticism from AOC that Faux interpreted as being an accusation of racism, and had to act! “You think that’s racist? I’ll show you how a real 'murican racist does it. Hold my diet coke.” ---
**Author:** ![velomont](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/8491ac/32.png) [@velomont](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/velomont)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2019, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-tells-congreswomen-go-back-where-you-came-from/837068/363 "2019-07-20T18:42:00Z")
Correct me if I’m wrong, but impeachment doesn’t remove the president, correct? So what would a successful impeachment actually do in terms of useful results? ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2019, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-tells-congreswomen-go-back-where-you-came-from/837068/364 "2019-07-20T19:07:50Z")
Black Georgia state legislator told to go back to where she came from. > **[Black Politician Says She was Told 'Go Back Where You Came From'](https://www.newsweek.com/istandwitherica-trends-twitter-after-black-georgia-lawmaker-erica-thomas-says-she-was-told-go-1450330)** > > "People need to see the hate that is going on in this country. The hate is real," said Thomas. ---
**Author:** ![pjacks](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e19adc/32.png) [@pjacks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pjacks)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2019, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-tells-congreswomen-go-back-where-you-came-from/837068/365 "2019-07-20T20:15:51Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Black Georgia state legislator told to go back to where she came from. > [#IStandWithErica Trends on Twitter after Black Georgia Lawmaker Erica Thomas Says She was Told 'Go Back Where You Came From' at Supermarket](https://www.newsweek.com/istandwitherica-trends-twitter-after-black-georgia-lawmaker-erica-thomas-says-she-was-told-go-1450330) We live in a post-Jussie Smollett world. Without proof most people will doubt this story, aside from partisans predisposed to believe it. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2019, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-tells-congreswomen-go-back-where-you-came-from/837068/366 "2019-07-20T20:29:46Z")
Don’t know what “most people” think. Do you? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2019, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-tells-congreswomen-go-back-where-you-came-from/837068/367 "2019-07-20T20:32:38Z")
> [@pjacks](#): > > We live in a post-Jussie Smollett world. Without proof most people will doubt this story, aside from partisans predisposed to believe it. And yet when there’s video and audio of Trump, it’s “fake news!” ---
**Author:** ![That\_Don\_Guy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/that_don_guy/32/538_2.png) [@That\_Don\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/That_Don_Guy)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2019, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-tells-congreswomen-go-back-where-you-came-from/837068/368 "2019-07-20T22:30:34Z")
> [@velomont](#): > > Correct me if I’m wrong, but impeachment doesn’t remove the president, correct? So what would a successful impeachment actually do in terms of useful results? Depends on how you define “useful.” Any Senator who votes to acquit Trump would be treated as being on record as supporting the things he did and said, regardless of what the Senator’s announced positions were. This could be important in Senate races. Also, if, somehow, they can get enough Republicans to vote “guilty” so they have at least 51, the Democrats can play the “A majority of Senators voted him out; it’s your turn to show the world that we are a democracy on election day” card. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2019, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-tells-congreswomen-go-back-where-you-came-from/837068/369 "2019-07-20T22:35:51Z")
> [@velomont](#): > > Correct me if I’m wrong, but impeachment doesn’t remove the president, correct? So what would a successful impeachment actually do in terms of useful results? “Successful” means that the charges made in the articles of impeachment are tried in the Senate, and the result is a vote to convict the person being impeached (on those charges). This hasn’t yet happened to an American president. In both cases (Andrew Johnson and Bill Clinton) in which articles of impeachment were adopted by the House and forwarded to the Senate, the Senate failed to convict. > [@Aspenglow](#): > > …The House Democrats who don’t favor impeachment for purely political reasons is not just because they think that acquittal by the Senate would be a victory for Trump. They also think it will be a personal defeat for them in 2020. These are districts, about 31 of them if I recall correctly, that have almost always been red but swung blue in 2018. We won the House because of them. _The constituencies of these districts do not support impeachment._ We could lose the House majority again – together with the Senate – if they swing back by giving Trump that victory. Impeachment, as of now, would be 235 Democrats (more or less) rejecting Donald Trump. Whereas a 2020 electoral defeat would be millions of Americans rejecting Donald Trump. To many, the latter seems more legitimate. Even in the unlikely event of a change of view among GOP Senators, such that twenty of them would vote to convict, the result would still be—fundamentally—a few hundred members of Congress removing Trump. Having a few million Americans remove him would, from some perspectives, be preferable as an exercise in democracy. > [@Aspenglow](#): > > … I hear a lot of people say history will judge Democrats harshly in hindsight if they don’t pursue impeachment immediately. I disagree. I don’t think history will judge Democrats at all. If they lose, they won’t be writing history. … Your entire post is well-reasoned and quotable, but this bit is particularly astute–and chilling. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2019, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-tells-congreswomen-go-back-where-you-came-from/837068/370 "2019-07-20T22:39:50Z")
> [@That\_Don\_Guy](#): > > Depends on how you define “useful.” Any Senator who votes to acquit Trump would be treated as being on record as supporting the things he did and said, regardless of what the Senator’s announced positions were. This could be important in Senate races. > > Also, if, somehow, they can get enough Republicans to vote “guilty” so they have at least 51, the Democrats can play the “A majority of Senators voted him out; it’s your turn to show the world that we are a democracy on election day” card. They’d need 67 votes to convict in the Senate, assuming all 100 Senators vote, so at least 20 Republicans would have to go against Trump. ---
**Author:** ![velomont](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/8491ac/32.png) [@velomont](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/velomont)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2019, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-tells-congreswomen-go-back-where-you-came-from/837068/371 "2019-07-20T23:48:20Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > “Successful” means that the charges made in the articles of impeachment are tried in the Senate, and the result is a vote to convict the person being impeached (on those charges). > > This hasn’t yet happened to an American president. In both cases (Andrew Johnson and Bill Clinton) in which articles of impeachment were adopted by the House and forwarded to the Senate, the Senate failed to convict. I’m from your neighbour up north, so I appreciate the clarification. Cheers ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2019, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-tells-congreswomen-go-back-where-you-came-from/837068/372 "2019-07-21T00:04:20Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > In one of the YouTube vids that popped up beside it there’s a video in which Latins for Trump explain why they still support him, and yes, it was just as head-shakingly perplexing. > > I think we sometimes forget that there are people in various racial categories who have different life experiences and perceive their blackness or Latino-ness or whatever-ness differently than how the ‘typical’ experience is presented through the media. It doesn’t make them less Black or Latino; it just means they’ve interpreted their identity differently than what we’re familiar with. Whether that’s ‘right’ or not…I don’t know, wouldn’t be qualified to answer. Seems like a fancy way of saying that believing and propagating stereotypes isn’t helpful. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2019, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-tells-congreswomen-go-back-where-you-came-from/837068/373 "2019-07-21T03:07:30Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > In one of the YouTube vids that popped up beside it there’s a video in which Latins for Trump explain why they still support him, and yes, it was just as head-shakingly perplexing. > > I think we sometimes forget that there are people in various racial categories who have different life experiences and perceive their blackness or Latino-ness or whatever-ness differently than how the ‘typical’ experience is presented through the media. It doesn’t make them less Black or Latino; it just means they’ve interpreted their identity differently than what we’re familiar with. Whether that’s ‘right’ or not…I don’t know, wouldn’t be qualified to answer. Latinos for Trump was organized by Mike Pence. It’s not a grassroots organization. ---
**Author:** ![Kent\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kent_clark/32/105_2.png) [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2019, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-tells-congreswomen-go-back-where-you-came-from/837068/374 "2019-07-21T03:09:32Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > ? > Are you talking about this? Actually, I was trying to cite [an article from 2013](https://thehill.com/capital-living/new-member-of-the-week/305843-rep-wagner-seeks-to-strengthen-female-voice-in-republican-party), when Ann Wagner was seen as trying to open the Republican tent a little wider for women. Now Ann Wagner is a Trump parrothead who won’t hold town meetings in her own district because suburban soccer moms keep trying to ask her about affordable health care, and whose last experience with diversity was when she worked for Hallmark in the 1980s when they were trying to squeeze in a few more non-lily-white greeting cards. ---
**Author:** ![Covfefe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ee7513/32.png) [@Covfefe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Covfefe)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2019, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-tells-congreswomen-go-back-where-you-came-from/837068/375 "2019-07-21T03:56:53Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Black Georgia state legislator told to go back to where she came from. > [#IStandWithErica Trends on Twitter after Black Georgia Lawmaker Erica Thomas Says She was Told 'Go Back Where You Came From' at Supermarket](https://www.newsweek.com/istandwitherica-trends-twitter-after-black-georgia-lawmaker-erica-thomas-says-she-was-told-go-1450330) > **[State lawmaker, man she accused of verbally harassing her confront each other](https://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/cobb-county/state-rep-says-man-told-her-to-go-back-where-you-came-from-at-grocery-store/968677735/)** > > Channel 2 Action News spoke with Rep. Erica Thomas and the man accused to get both sides of the story. > [@](#): > > On Saturday afternoon, Channel 2’s Christian Jennings went to interview Thomas about the incident. While she was there, the man Thomas accused of verbally attacking her, Eric Sparkes, also showed up outside the Publix. > > Thomas and Sparkes got into a second heated conversation as news cameras rolled. > > Sparkes claims he never said anything racist, although he did admit to cursing at Thomas for having too many items in the express checkout lane. > > “I’m a liar about what?” Thomas asked Sparkes.“Everything that happened,” Sparkes said. “Me telling you to 'Go back where you came from. Did I say that? Is it on video?” > > “Are you serious? What did you say to me then,” Thomas asked. > > “I called you a lazy (expletive),” Sparkes said to Thomas. “That’s the worst thing I said.” > > “Yeah, that makes you look better to say that,” Thomas said. > > Sparkes told Jennings he is a Democrat and of Cuban nationality and claimed Thomas was just accusing him to help her political career. Classic. Both parties involved sound like problem seekers. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2019, 10:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-tells-congreswomen-go-back-where-you-came-from/837068/376 "2019-07-21T10:44:44Z")
I’m not sure anyone’s responses made it clear that if the House votes to impeach (requiring just a simple majority), and the Senate votes to convict (requiring 2/3 or 67 votes), that does actually remove the president from office. ETA: There is a shorthand used by journalists and people on forums like this that “if the House impeaches, it won’t actually remove the president”. It looks like they need to periodically note that this is only because no one thinks 20 Republicans will vote to convict. Not that it is actually institutionally impossible to remove him. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2019, 11:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-tells-congreswomen-go-back-where-you-came-from/837068/377 "2019-07-21T11:40:41Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Latinos for Trump was organized by Mike Pence. It’s not a grassroots organization. Understood, but there really are Latinos who see no problem with Trump and they’re not just bitter ex-Cubans in Florida. There are 2nd and 3rd generation Mexican-Americans who don’t identify with more recent immigrants, who believe that undocumented immigrants are whiny and they should go back to Mexico and come back legally. I agree that they’re far from the majority, but they exist. Not everyone can be tucked into a category. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2019, 11:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-tells-congreswomen-go-back-where-you-came-from/837068/378 "2019-07-21T11:54:14Z")
Asahi, a close acquaintance is a (first-generation) Mexican American enthusiastic Trump supporter. She’s in the real estate business, and somehow thought that would make for a great president, or something. Also it’s about “we went through all the paperwork hoops to become legal residents and then citizens — why should we support unfair shortcuts?”. She’s a middle class citizen with little common with the desperate Central Americans of the caravans and such. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2019, 12:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-tells-congreswomen-go-back-where-you-came-from/837068/379 "2019-07-21T12:00:05Z")
> [@JKellyMap](#): > > Asahi, a close acquaintance is a (first-generation) Mexican American enthusiastic Trump supporter. She’s in the real estate business, and somehow thought that would make for a great president, or something. Also it’s about **“we went through all the paperwork hoops to become legal residents and then citizens — why should we support unfair shortcuts?”**. She’s a middle class citizen with little in. Okmon with the desperate Central Americans of the caravans and such. Yeah, and I think it’s also “We’re the good Latinos; the people you see on TV aren’t.” We can find people of any race, any background, either gender sometimes who don’t want to be categorized, who don’t want to see themselves as part of a demographic, and I get that. The problem that many of them will eventually encounter is that whites (or whatever the ethnic majority may be) will eventually remind them that they’re just as much “the other” as anyone else. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2019, 12:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-tells-congreswomen-go-back-where-you-came-from/837068/380 "2019-07-21T12:31:24Z")
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