# Trump tells Congreswomen go back where you came from **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [July 14, 2019, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-tells-congreswomen-go-back-where-you-came-from/837068 "2019-07-14T15:45:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![pjacks](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e19adc/32.png) [@pjacks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pjacks)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2019, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-tells-congreswomen-go-back-where-you-came-from/837068/141 "2019-07-16T03:09:55Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > _Trump_ has completely destroyed our public discourse, clearly. It was long dead before that. It’s what got him elected. Trump is a symptom of the disease, not the disease itself. Tribalism amplified by millions of voices and bots on social media caused this nightmare. ---
**Author:** ![Kent\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kent_clark/32/105_2.png) [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2019, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-tells-congreswomen-go-back-where-you-came-from/837068/142 "2019-07-16T03:20:17Z")
> [@KarlGauss](#): > > While understandable, the actions of the four representatives may lose the Senate for the Democrats. > > Sure, many people in red states will (probably) be willing to vote out Trump. But will they risk turning the Senate over to those they see as not respecting America? Oh for fuck’s sake! Anyone willing to vote out Trump will be willing to look at the actual candidates for Senate in their states and make a determination based on that. Josh Hawley and Roy Blunt were not sent to the Senate by the people of Missouri to provide some sort of counterbalance to Bernie Sanders and Diane Feinstein, nor was its last Democratic Senator elected to counterbalance Chuck Grassley. ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2019, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-tells-congreswomen-go-back-where-you-came-from/837068/143 "2019-07-16T03:53:42Z")
> [@Kent\_Clark](#): > > Oh for fuck’s sake! Anyone willing to vote out Trump will be willing to look at the actual candidates for Senate in their states and make a determination based on that. Josh Hawley and Roy Blunt were not sent to the Senate by the people of Missouri to provide some sort of counterbalance to Bernie Sanders and Diane Feinstein, nor was its last Democratic Senator elected to counterbalance Chuck Grassley. Nitpick Grassley represents Iowa, not Missouri. /Nitpick He also decries socialism while collecting socialist farmer bailouts paid for by the American people. The irony burns in Iowa. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2019, 5:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-tells-congreswomen-go-back-where-you-came-from/837068/144 "2019-07-16T05:06:29Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > …they haven’t “played the race card.” This entire discussion is about race. The President of the United States is a big old racist. Why would AOC and her chief of staff not talk about race? > > However the House Democrats did try and play [“the woke card.”](https://twitter.com/HouseDemocrats/status/1149856308801286148) Perhaps you should be telling them to stop playing “identity politics.” I don’t know if Chakrabarti has necessarily played “the race card,” but he’s a certifiable ass. I think he believes himself to be the Steve Bannon of the Democratic Party. He can try that, and he can get half of twitter to follow him. But I doubt he can get half of twitter to vote for his causes. He doesn’t understand what he’s about to get himself (and others) into. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2019, 5:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-tells-congreswomen-go-back-where-you-came-from/837068/145 "2019-07-16T05:41:08Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > I don’t know if Chakrabarti has necessarily played “the race card,” but he’s a certifiable ass. I think he believes himself to be the Steve Bannon of the Democratic Party. He can try that, and he can get half of twitter to follow him. But I doubt he can get half of twitter to vote for his causes. He doesn’t understand what he’s about to get himself (and others) into. …conflating Chakrabarti with Bannon is an appalling abuse of hyperbole and exactly the sort of destructive “bothsiderist” rhetoric that people in this thread are railing against. Nobody had heard of Chakrabarti until the House Democrats decided to boost his tweet. He isn’t trying to be “the Steve Bannon of the Democratic Party.” Don’t make this bigger than it is. He posted an opinion on twitter: thats all. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2019, 6:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-tells-congreswomen-go-back-where-you-came-from/837068/146 "2019-07-16T06:04:26Z")
> [@AG Barr](#): > > “My concern today is that under the banner of\*\* identity politics\*\*, some political factions are seeking to obtain power by dividing Americans, and they undermine the values that draw us together such as a shared commitment to our country’s success.” > > [@Lindsay Graham](#): > > “We all know that AOC and this crowd are a bunch of communists … they’re anti-Semitic. They’re anti-America.” > …in case you hadn’t noticed: they are gunning for the Progressive Four. They smell blood in the water. The rhetoric from Trump & Co is dangerous. You can express the opinion that Chakrabarti said something stupid. Thats okay. I’m sure he would welcome the debate. But there is a difference between criticising his statement and buying into the same dangerous rhetoric that Barr and Graham are spewing. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2019, 10:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-tells-congreswomen-go-back-where-you-came-from/837068/147 "2019-07-16T10:48:12Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > …conflating Chakrabarti with Bannon is an appalling abuse of hyperbole and exactly the sort of destructive “bothsiderist” rhetoric that people in this thread are railing against. Nobody had heard of Chakrabarti until the House Democrats decided to boost his tweet. He isn’t trying to be “the Steve Bannon of the Democratic Party.” Don’t make this bigger than it is. He posted an opinion on twitter: thats all. It is absolutely not an abuse of hyperbole. Look, I get that you appreciate Chakrabarti’s no-holds-barred activism and political pugnacity, particularly since you see it from afar and don’t have a sense for how his tactics could potentially splinter fragile coalitions along ideological and even ethnic lines. I consider myself a sympathizer and even basically a fan of AOC, Omar, and the Squad, but I’m not always a fan of their rhetoric, and I think a lot of it is being driven by ex-Bernie Bros. I see the same kind of “fuck you” energy and self-immolating tactics, and it’s one major, major reason why we are living in the age of President Trump instead of President Hillary Clinton. The common refrain, of course, is that moderate democrats will just have to stop being moderate and join the resistance. Ain’t gonna happen. It just ain’t. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2019, 10:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-tells-congreswomen-go-back-where-you-came-from/837068/148 "2019-07-16T10:52:14Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > [https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1150832784644218880](https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1150832784644218880) > > [https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1150748086488240128](https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1150748086488240128) > > …in case you hadn’t noticed: they are gunning for the Progressive Four. They smell blood in the water. The rhetoric from Trump & Co is dangerous. You can express the opinion that Chakrabarti said something stupid. Thats okay. I’m sure he would welcome the debate. But there is a difference between criticising his statement and buying into the same dangerous rhetoric that Barr and Graham are spewing. I’m not buying into their rhetoric; just the opposite. I’m pointing out that if Chakrabarti isn’t careful and can’t keep insinuating that **his own fucking allies** are essentially closet racists, the Democratic party is going to start alienating white allies. Tell me, how does the Squad and how do progressives win back the Senate, let alone the presidency, with fewer allies? ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2019, 11:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-tells-congreswomen-go-back-where-you-came-from/837068/149 "2019-07-16T11:47:31Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > It is absolutely not an abuse of hyperbole. Look, I get that you appreciate Chakrabarti’s no-holds-barred activism and political pugnacity, …strawman. You don’t have a fucking clue what my opinion is about Chakrabarti. I had never heard of him before the day before yesterday. I can’t hold an opinion about somebody I know nothing about. > [@](#): > > particularly since you see it from afar and don’t have a sense for how his tactics could potentially splinter fragile coalitions along ideological and even ethnic lines. Tactics? It was a fucking tweet. An honest answer to a question that was posed to him. It wasn’t a strategic move. It was 140 characters or less that probably took him less than a minute to type. I might be “afar” but I’m not so far away I can’t see the obvious. > [@](#): > > I consider myself a sympathizer and even basically a fan of AOC, Omar, and the Squad, but I’m not always a fan of their rhetoric, and I think a lot of it is being driven by ex-Bernie Bros. I see the same kind of “fuck you” energy and self-immolating tactics, and it’s one major, major reason why we are living in the age of President Trump instead of President Hillary Clinton. We are living in the age of Trump because of rampant voter supression, because of propaganda, because of a weak-ass-so-called-mainstream-media, because there are a fuck-load more racists in America than anyone is comfortable saying out loud. And if Trump & Co get voted in again it won’t be because of AOC and the squad. > [@](#): > > The common refrain, of course, is that moderate democrats will just have to stop being moderate and join the resistance. Nope. That isn’t the refrain. The squad voted for and supported Pelosi. Here are the moderate [Democrats](https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/11/15/18095869/nancy-pelosi-speaker-votes-democrats-letter?__c=1)who opposed Pelosi for speaker. The squad aren’t on that list. This isn’t what they demand. > [@](#): > > Ain’t gonna happen. > > It just ain’t. Four. More. Years. > [@](#): > > I’m not buying into their rhetoric; just the opposite. I’m pointing out that if Chakrabarti isn’t careful and can’t keep insinuating that his own fucking allies are essentially closet racists, the Democratic party is going to start alienating white allies. Chakrabarti is a nobody, no-one knows who he is, and what he said doesn’t matter. For fucks sakes: you compared him to Steve Bannon. That was completely ridiculous. You absolutely are buying into their rhetoric, their narrative, and by doing that and by others doing that you are doing more damage than anything Chakrabarti would ever say. > [@](#): > > Tell me, how does the Squad and how do progressives win back the Senate, let alone the presidency, with fewer allies? Since when was this debate about members of the House winning back the Senate? How about some of the people running for President dropping out of the race and going back to their state and running[for Senate instead](https://www.mysanantonio.com/opinion/commentary/article/Fewer-Dems-should-run-for-president-more-for-13990256.php)? There are only four members of the “Squad.” They won’t make any fucking difference in the race for the Senate. ---
**Author:** ![Unreconstructed\_Man](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/76d3ee/32.png) [@Unreconstructed\_Man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Unreconstructed_Man)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2019, 12:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-tells-congreswomen-go-back-where-you-came-from/837068/150 "2019-07-16T12:57:08Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > …as I said: there is nothing in that quote that is either inaccurate, or implies that Pelosi is racist. I’m glad this is all cleared up now. …AOC accused Pelosi of “explicitly singling out women of colour”. The so-clear-you-could-bet-your-life-on-it implication is that Pelosi is racist. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2019, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-tells-congreswomen-go-back-where-you-came-from/837068/151 "2019-07-16T13:11:27Z")
> [@Unreconstructed\_Man](#): > > …AOC accused Pelosi of “explicitly singling out women of colour”. The so-clear-you-could-bet-your-life-on-it implication is that Pelosi is racist. …why did you choose to misquote AOC? ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2019, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-tells-congreswomen-go-back-where-you-came-from/837068/152 "2019-07-16T13:39:36Z")
I concede. Banquet Bear, of New Zealand, is an expert on American politics and history. I yield the floor. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![E-DUB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/e-dub/32/403_2.png) [@E-DUB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-DUB)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2019, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-tells-congreswomen-go-back-where-you-came-from/837068/153 "2019-07-16T14:13:46Z")
> [@pjacks](#): > > It was long dead before that. It’s what got him elected. Trump is a symptom of the disease, not the disease itself. Tribalism amplified by millions of voices and bots on social media caused this nightmare. He is both the symptom and the disease. He is both the flame and the wind which fans it. This whole administration is like binge watching “Breaking Bad”. You were OK with him when he strangled Krazy 8 in the basement, right. You were OK with it maybe when he let Jessica Jones (Q’s daughter) die, right. You were OK when he told Jesse to kill Gale because, kind of self-defense, right. And now that he’s ordered a bunch of killings you want to draw the line? Sorry. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2019, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-tells-congreswomen-go-back-where-you-came-from/837068/154 "2019-07-16T14:25:00Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > I concede. Banquet Bear, of New Zealand, is an expert on American politics and history. I yield the floor. :rolleyes: Thank Og. Let’s see if you stick to it, at least for a little while. ---
**Author:** ![Unreconstructed\_Man](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/76d3ee/32.png) [@Unreconstructed\_Man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Unreconstructed_Man)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2019, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-tells-congreswomen-go-back-where-you-came-from/837068/155 "2019-07-16T14:25:57Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > …why did you choose to misquote AOC? …AOC said: “When these comments first started, I kind of thought that she was keeping the progressive flank at more of an arm’s distance in order to protect more moderate members, which I understood,” Ocasio-Cortez told The Washington Post. “But the persistent singling out . . . it got to a point where it was just outright disrespectful . . . **the explicit singling out of newly elected women of color.”** Please explain how I “misquoted” her. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2019, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-tells-congreswomen-go-back-where-you-came-from/837068/156 "2019-07-16T14:30:17Z")
This is how the geniuses at the Facebook group Vietnam Veterans for T\*\*\*p are spinning it: > [@](#): > > WE ARE SICK IN TIRED OF RACIST CARD ISSUE TO SILENCE US. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH > IF THEY ARE UNHAPPY AND DISSATISFIED IN THE U.S.A THEN TIME FOR THEM > TO GO BACK WHATEVER NATIONALITY THEY CAME FROM NO OFFENSE. WE DID NOT > INVITE THEM TO COME TO THE U.S IT IS THEIR OWN FREE WELL > PRESIDENT TRUMP IS RIGHT. What the everliving fuck? The 4 are Americans, and 3 of the 4 were born in the US. Even the one who wasn’t has been a citizen longer than Melania. This it the depth of the racism, bigotry, and stupidity that drives the right. Of COURSE they’re going to vote Republican like they always do. The question is, will this drive people in the middle toward them or away from them? ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2019, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-tells-congreswomen-go-back-where-you-came-from/837068/157 "2019-07-16T14:38:22Z")
> [@Unreconstructed\_Man](#): > > …AOC said: > > “When these comments first started, I kind of thought that she was keeping the progressive flank at more of an arm’s distance in order to protect more moderate members, which I understood,” Ocasio-Cortez told The Washington Post. “But the persistent singling out . . . it got to a point where it was just outright disrespectful . . . the explicit singling out of **newly elected** women of color.” > > Please explain how I “misquoted” her. > [@Unreconstructed\_Man](#): > > …AOC accused Pelosi of “explicitly singling out women of colour”. The so-clear-you-could-bet-your-life-on-it implication is that Pelosi is racist. …I’ve bolded what you ommitted from your original post. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2019, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-tells-congreswomen-go-back-where-you-came-from/837068/158 "2019-07-16T14:55:53Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > …I’ve bolded what you ommitted from your original post. Right, emphasis on “newly-elected.” “Women of color” had no connotative meaning at all. Okay. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2019, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-tells-congreswomen-go-back-where-you-came-from/837068/159 "2019-07-16T14:59:17Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > Right, emphasis on “newly-elected.” > > “Women of color” had no connotative meaning at all. > > Okay. …didn’t you yield the floor? ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2019, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-tells-congreswomen-go-back-where-you-came-from/837068/160 "2019-07-16T15:04:50Z")
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