# Trump threatens to move GOP convention from NC **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [May 25, 2020, 1:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-threatens-to-move-gop-convention-from-nc/854440 "2020-05-25T13:28:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2020, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-threatens-to-move-gop-convention-from-nc/854440/141 "2020-06-10T16:23:08Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > Trump is creating an electoral map problem for himself. If I were in his camp, I’d probably be choosing between Florida and Georgia - maybe somewhere in the Jacksonville area. If you’re Trump, you want to keep those two states. > > But if you have your convention in JAX, then you campaign like hell in OH, PA, WI, NC, and AZ. Michigan is probably gone at this point. Yeah, looks like some members of the GOP are reading my posts. 😃 > **[GOP expects to move its convention to Jacksonville after dispute with North...](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/gop-expects-to-move-its-convention-to-jacksonville-after-dispute-with-north-carolina-over-pandemic-safeguards/2020/06/09/8c96e088-aaaa-11ea-a9d9-a81c1a491c52_story.html)** > > Republican leaders have tentatively settled on Jacksonville, Fla., as the site for their convention’s marquee events, following a dispute with North Carolina over how to guard against the spread of the coronavirus. But as I said, moving it to Jacksonville is only the beginning. The map is getting harder to cover. Unlike Clinton, who had no real path to Georgia, Arizona, and Texas, Biden actually does. Playing defense is going to be a LOT harder for the GOP this time. ---
**Author:** ![Do\_Not\_Taunt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/do_not_taunt/32/2968_2.png) [@Do\_Not\_Taunt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Do_Not_Taunt)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2020, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-threatens-to-move-gop-convention-from-nc/854440/142 "2020-06-10T16:40:42Z")
> [@romansperson](#): > > “We’re adults,” he said I thought Trump was attending? ---
**Author:** ![Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slow_moving_vehicle/32/291_2.png) [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slow_Moving_Vehicle)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2020, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-threatens-to-move-gop-convention-from-nc/854440/143 "2020-06-10T18:34:05Z")
Governor Kemp is still lobbying hard for Georgia. He’s pushing Savannah, which is smart - Atlanta would surround Trump’s circle jerk with ten thousand protesters, if he came here. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2020, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-threatens-to-move-gop-convention-from-nc/854440/144 "2020-06-10T18:50:03Z")
> [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](#): > > Governor Kemp is still lobbying hard for Georgia. He’s pushing Savannah, which is smart - Atlanta would surround Trump’s circle jerk with ten thousand protesters, if he came here. Savannah is good geographically, but JAX has hosted a Super Bowl. It has the hotel space. The logistics for Savannah’s more complicated. They’re complicated anyway given how late in the game this change comes. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2020, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-threatens-to-move-gop-convention-from-nc/854440/145 "2020-06-10T19:06:01Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > Savannah is good geographically, but JAX has hosted a Super Bowl. It has the hotel space. Kinda sorta. Jacksonville didn’t have nearly enough hotel rooms for the Super Bowl; [they brought in seven cruise ships](https://www.espn.com/nfl/playoffs04/news/story?id=1984971) in order to provide enough accomodations. ---
**Author:** ![Bijou\_Drains](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bijou_drains/32/2814_2.png) [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2020, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-threatens-to-move-gop-convention-from-nc/854440/146 "2020-06-10T19:52:11Z")
There are 2000 delegates and lets say 1000 media. Who are the other 15000 people who go to the convention? Are they big donors who are not delegates? ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2020, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-threatens-to-move-gop-convention-from-nc/854440/147 "2020-06-10T20:09:30Z")
> [@kenobi\_65](#): > > Kinda sorta. Jacksonville didn’t have nearly enough hotel rooms for the Super Bowl; [they brought in seven cruise ships](https://www.espn.com/nfl/playoffs04/news/story?id=1984971) in order to provide enough accomodations. Oh, THAT’S a great idea! The cruise ships aren’t busy now anyway, right? 😛 ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2020, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-threatens-to-move-gop-convention-from-nc/854440/148 "2020-06-10T20:46:29Z")
> [@kenobi\_65](#): > > Kinda sorta. Jacksonville didn’t have nearly enough hotel rooms for the Super Bowl; [they brought in seven cruise ships](https://www.espn.com/nfl/playoffs04/news/story?id=1984971) in order to provide enough accomodations. True, but it’s still probably more logical to have it in JAX than Savannah. Atlanta has, by far, the largest hotel capacity of any city in the region, but Atlanta’s too far from the northern Florida and Southern Georgia vote that Trump will need to carry the state. Another idea that’s been floated (forgot where) is to have satellite gatherings, which would actually make sense. You could have the convention site in Jacksonville, and then have satellite simulcast events in places like metro Atlanta, Savannah, and beyond. It’s going to be critical - not to mention challenging - for Trump to pick out pro-Trump voters in the suburbs in Philadelphia, Cincinnati, Pittsburgh, Atlanta, Charlotte, and elsewhere. I don’t think Trump can win if his white suburban support collapses dramatically - well, not in a legitimate election in anyway. It’s not like he’s been particularly helpful to rural white voters either. ---
**Author:** ![Bijou\_Drains](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bijou_drains/32/2814_2.png) [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2020, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-threatens-to-move-gop-convention-from-nc/854440/149 "2020-06-10T21:06:25Z")
Looks like the biggest place in Savannah is the 7k seat MLK Jr arena. The 10 or so black GOP delegates will like that location. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2020, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-threatens-to-move-gop-convention-from-nc/854440/150 "2020-06-10T21:39:41Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > … not in a legitimate election in anyway. … And this qualifier is relevant how? ---
**Author:** ![Malleus\_Incus\_Stapes](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/malleus_incus_stapes/32/3293_2.png) [@Malleus\_Incus\_Stapes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malleus_Incus_Stapes)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2020, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-threatens-to-move-gop-convention-from-nc/854440/151 "2020-06-10T21:54:02Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > It’s entirely possible that this distinction has never been mentioned on FoxNews. > > So the guy would have no way of knowing it. > > (my emphasis in the quote) _I’ve_ mentioned it to my Trump-voting, Libertarian-leaning relatives at least a dozen times. They just don’t get it. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2020, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-threatens-to-move-gop-convention-from-nc/854440/152 "2020-06-10T22:56:08Z")
> [@Malleus\_Incus\_Stapes](#): > > _I’ve_ mentioned it to my Trump-voting, Libertarian-leaning relatives at least a dozen times. They just don’t get it. The very definition of “uphill battle,” it sounds like. (My sympathies!) As for Trump’s nomination/coronation: he’s not going to okay anything less than an arena holding 50,000 screaming fans. If Trump has any expertise, it’s in how to make himself look as though people approve of him. Having 2,000 in a small venue, all spread out, with the other thousands on satellite links, is NOT going to cut it. It’s not that Trump would mind lying; he’s be happy to claim that 2,000 people were actually 50,000. But he has a strong sense of how things look on TV, and he knows 50,000 looks a hell of a lot better than 2,000, regardless of what kind of CGI post-production might be employed. ---
**Author:** ![Malleus\_Incus\_Stapes](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/malleus_incus_stapes/32/3293_2.png) [@Malleus\_Incus\_Stapes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malleus_Incus_Stapes)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2020, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-threatens-to-move-gop-convention-from-nc/854440/153 "2020-06-11T02:31:56Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > The very definition of “uphill battle,” it sounds like. (My sympathies!) It’s like beating my head against the wall-- and about as productive-- but I have a pathological inability to pretend I haven’t heard the stupid. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2020, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-threatens-to-move-gop-convention-from-nc/854440/154 "2020-06-11T13:20:54Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > And this qualifier is relevant how? I think you know how - look at what happened in Georgia and tell me that the GOP has any intentions at all of accepting that they’re losing in the marketplace of ideas. They’re going to Gaylord Perry\* and Lance Armstrong their way through this entire race. \*Who here can honestly say that they ever thought they’d see Gaylord Perry’s name invoked in a politics thread. LOL ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2020, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-threatens-to-move-gop-convention-from-nc/854440/155 "2020-06-11T13:59:23Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > I think you know how - look at what happened in Georgia and tell me that the GOP has any intentions at all of accepting that they’re losing in the marketplace of ideas. They’re going to Gaylord Perry\* and Lance Armstrong their way through this entire race. > > \*Who here can honestly say that they ever thought they’d see Gaylord Perry’s name invoked in a politics thread. LOL Sorry, my bad. I left off the sarcasm tags. 😛 I meant how is the phrase “legitimate election” relevant in reference to trump winning. ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2020, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-threatens-to-move-gop-convention-from-nc/854440/156 "2020-06-11T18:34:52Z")
GOP votes to [scale back Charlotte convention](https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/502206-gop-votes-to-scale-back-charlotte-convention-move-trump-acceptance-speech), move Trump acceptance speech! It ain’t gonna be much of a Grand Ol’ Par\*-tay… \* Man, his own team’s not giving Trump any of his demands for a convention. Wow. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2020, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-threatens-to-move-gop-convention-from-nc/854440/157 "2020-06-11T18:44:00Z")
> [@digs](#): > > GOP votes to [scale back Charlotte convention](https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/502206-gop-votes-to-scale-back-charlotte-convention-move-trump-acceptance-speech), move Trump acceptance speech! > > It ain’t gonna be much of a Grand Ol’ Par\*-tay… \* > > Man, his own team’s not giving Trump any of his demands for a convention. Wow. Plus they’re rolling the over the GOP platform from 2016. The one that condemns the “current president.” Good times, good times. ---
**Author:** ![SuntanLotion](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suntanlotion/32/16165_2.png) [@SuntanLotion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SuntanLotion)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2020, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-threatens-to-move-gop-convention-from-nc/854440/158 "2020-06-12T02:45:52Z")
Jacksonville. Sorry I don’t have a link. ---
**Author:** ![USCDiver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uscdiver/32/354_2.png) [@USCDiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/USCDiver)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2020, 12:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-threatens-to-move-gop-convention-from-nc/854440/159 "2020-06-12T12:41:00Z")
> [@SuntanLotion](#): > > Jacksonville. Sorry I don’t have a link. What about Jacksonville? ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2020, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-threatens-to-move-gop-convention-from-nc/854440/160 "2020-06-12T14:21:42Z")
> [@USCDiver](#): > > What about Jacksonville? Looks like it’s going to start in Charlotte and end up in Jacksonville. [https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/politics-government/rnc-2020/article243453231.html](https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/politics-government/rnc-2020/article243453231.html) My guess - strictly a hunch - is that the national GOP heard in no uncertain terms from the NC GOP that if they fuck the state out of the convention that they shouldn’t expect them to lift a finger on the ground. This was probably done as a chance to salvage a few furniture items on the way out of the burning building. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-threatens-to-move-gop-convention-from-nc/854440.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-threatens-to-move-gop-convention-from-nc/854440.md?page=9)