# Trump to visit Mexico's President today **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [August 31, 2016, 8:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-to-visit-mexicos-president-today/764552 "2016-08-31T08:59:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2016, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-to-visit-mexicos-president-today/764552/141 "2016-09-01T20:22:28Z")
Maybe, but we wouldn’t have to deal with the ruthless savagery of the Canadian cartels. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2016, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-to-visit-mexicos-president-today/764552/142 "2016-09-01T20:27:41Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > You didn’t cite the law or constitutional basis that “interfering” with money transfers is illegal. First, IANAL, nor a constitutional scholar. Let’s look at it the other way: what would makes it legal for the Federal government to stop a completely legal financial transaction, between two people with no criminal records, and to a country with which the U.S. has a longstanding, positive alliance? ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2016, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-to-visit-mexicos-president-today/764552/143 "2016-09-01T20:32:41Z")
It doesn’t work that way. If legislation was passed saying all private money transfers to Mexico will cease until Mexico pays for this wall you have to point out why it’s unconstitutional. Probably could even be done partially by executive order. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2016, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-to-visit-mexicos-president-today/764552/144 "2016-09-01T20:37:55Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > If legislation was passed saying all private money transfers to Mexico will cease until Mexico pays for this wall you have to point out why it’s unconstitutional. Probably could even be done partially by executive order. Isn’t that how Reagan lashed out at Iran? There’s the answer to the question, then. It (probably) is **not** legal today, and would require a new law to explicitly make it so. (I have no idea if an executive order would be able to do so.) ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2016, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-to-visit-mexicos-president-today/764552/145 "2016-09-01T20:39:39Z")
> [@](#): > > On August 19, 1997, the President signed Executive Order 13059 clarifying Executive Orders 12957 and 12959 and confirming that virtually all trade and investment activities with Iran by U.S. persons, wherever located, are prohibited. [https://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/sanctions/Programs/Documents/iran.txt](https://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/sanctions/Programs/Documents/iran.txt) ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2016, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-to-visit-mexicos-president-today/764552/146 "2016-09-01T20:40:41Z")
> [@JRDelirious](#): > > The Cartels may be nasty entities with no regard for human life, but even they’d know that an attempt on a would-be POTUS would be extraordinarily bad for business. > [@iiandyiiii](#): > > They’re probably rooting for Trump, since he’s utterly incompetent and would inevitably fail in doing anything to harm the cartels. My guess is that when he fails to do anything to harm the cartels, it will be because the cartels are giving him a cut of their action. (I continue to be amazed at people who claim that Trump will be frustrated, when President, because he (supposedly) won’t be able to make money. Apparently these people believe that Trump will do business only when he can do so legally and transparently. An odd conviction!) ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2016, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-to-visit-mexicos-president-today/764552/147 "2016-09-01T20:49:31Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > It doesn’t work that way. If legislation was passed saying all private money transfers to Mexico will cease until Mexico pays for this wall you have to point out why it’s unconstitutional. Probably could even be done partially by executive order. Except that such legislation would not be passed, because not everyone in Congress is an ignoramus who wears a deceased orange marmoset on his head and has absolutely zero knowledge of international affairs or, really, just about anything. But yes, if it were possible to do it by executive order and the orange one actually was elected president, then this could be part of his loose-cannon destruction of international relations, with appropriate consequences. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2016, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-to-visit-mexicos-president-today/764552/148 "2016-09-01T20:52:26Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > [Sanctions Programs and Country Information | Office of Foreign Assets Control](https://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/sanctions/Programs/Documents/iran.txt) Interesting. I’ll note that, under that particular executive order, it appears that individuals sending money transfers to individuals in Iran was, in fact, apparently still legal. > [@](#): > > However, U.S. depository institutions are permitted to handle funds > transfers, through intermediary third-country banks, to or from Iran or for the > direct or indirect benefit of the Government of Iran or a person in Iran, > arising from several types of underlying transactions, including: > > a) a noncommercial family remittance; Not that Trump would be bound to follow that particular structure in any executive order he might make. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2016, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-to-visit-mexicos-president-today/764552/149 "2016-09-01T21:02:46Z")
Well, yes. If he actually went through with it he would flip it and allow corporations to move funds into Mexico but not individuals. Easy to gussy that up. “In order to stop the flow of money to drug cartels and “coyotes”…” ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2016, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-to-visit-mexicos-president-today/764552/150 "2016-09-02T02:19:38Z")
The cartels have the advantages of money _and_ fear. They will find a way to get their money where it needs to be. Families back in rural Mexico or Guatemala, who might be depending on remittances from someone doing stoop labor in America… have no such advantages. Perhaps making life a wee bit more difficult for the _narcotrafficantes_ would be a good thing. But not that damn good! Taking food from the mouths of children is not essential for the safety of the Republic. ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2016, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-to-visit-mexicos-president-today/764552/151 "2016-09-02T22:18:44Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > Well, you know what you have to do to 11 million people before you deport them, right? > > You have to put them in camps. > > And if you can’t deport them? > > … Slave labor? > > … “Star of David”-esque markings? > > … Zyklon B? Maybe those FEMA camps will be put to good use after all? :dubious: Crescent marking for Muslims would be more like it. Not long ago, I saw a Facebook comment from a woman who said she was a disabled Christian who would be willing to hide Muslims in the event of a Trump presidency - probably not something you want to post on Facebook, but too late now. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-to-visit-mexicos-president-today/764552.md?page=7)