# Trump voters are most of the people upset about staying at home **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [April 19, 2020, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-are-most-of-the-people-upset-about-staying-at-home/852134 "2020-04-19T18:37:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Bijou\_Drains](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bijou_drains/32/2814_2.png) [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2020, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-are-most-of-the-people-upset-about-staying-at-home/852134/1 "2020-04-19T18:37:22Z")
So if they go out and get sick and die I won’t shed many tears. How about you? ---
**Author:** ![robby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robby/32/11048_2.png) [@robby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/robby)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2020, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-are-most-of-the-people-upset-about-staying-at-home/852134/2 "2020-04-19T18:50:04Z")
If they only harmed themselves, then I wouldn’t be too upset. A “self-limiting problem,” as they say. The problem is that they don’t only harm themselves. What happens when they get sick and infect a lot of other people with no choice in the matter (like others in their household, or grocery store workers, transit workers, medical personnel, etc.)? ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2020, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-are-most-of-the-people-upset-about-staying-at-home/852134/3 "2020-04-19T18:50:23Z")
I don’t want anyone to die, regardless of political affiliation. That being said, I am tired of having to counter my Facebook Trump friends’ constant conspiracy theories about Bill Gates or claims that the virus issue is overblown. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2020, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-are-most-of-the-people-upset-about-staying-at-home/852134/4 "2020-04-19T19:13:30Z")
Well then, welcome to the club **Velocity**. 🙂 \* More seriously, what Neil deGrasse Tysen said has turned prophetic, except the part where he expected that Republicans with the know how would intervene before the situation was dire. [Neil deGrasse Tyson on Science Literacy (Part Two) | Moyers & Company | BillMoyers.com](https://billmoyers.com/episode/neil-degrasse-tyson-on-science-literacy/) [From the Transcript] > [@](#): > > BILL MOYERS: All right. According to the Pew Research Center, back in 2009, a comfortable majority of Republicans accepted human evolution as a fact. But now, a plurality rejects it [in 2014]. So I ask you, politics can trump science, can’t it? > > NEIL DEGRASSE TYSON: Well, in a free, elected democracy, of course. You vote who you want on your school board. There is no provision in the constitution for the government to establish what’s taught in schools. That’s all relegated to the states. Hence, we speak state to state about what’s in their science textbook versus another. > > And so that’s the country we’ve all sort of bought into, if you will, or born into. I think it’s a self-correcting phenomenon. Nobody wants to die, okay? So we all care about health. But above all else, among the Republicans I know, especially Republicans, nobody wants to die poor, okay? > > So educated Republicans know the value of innovations in science and technology for the thriving of an economy and business and industry. They know this. If you put something that is not science in a science classroom, pass it off as science, then you are undermining an entire enterprise that was responsible for creating the wealth that we have come to take for granted in this country. So we’re already fading economically. If this, if that trend continues, some Republican is going to wake up and say, “Look guys, we got to split these two. We have to. Otherwise, we will doom ourselves to poverty.” And so I see it as a self-correcting, I don’t know when it’ll happen, but they know. - Yeah, I realize that hanging a lot with us you already figured out a long time ago how off base a lot of what Republicans are pushing is nowadays. ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2020, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-are-most-of-the-people-upset-about-staying-at-home/852134/5 "2020-04-19T19:16:30Z")
> [@Bijou\_Drains](#): > > So if they go out and get sick and die I won’t shed many tears. How about you? Cite that most of the people ignoring the stay at home orders are Republicans, or Trump supporters? The ones on TV demonstrating probably are, but those aren’t the bulk of the people out and about. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2020, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-are-most-of-the-people-upset-about-staying-at-home/852134/6 "2020-04-19T19:27:16Z")
You know what a good pandemic really needs? Lots of partisanship. That way, positions can be hardened, people can be even more stressed, and we’ll all be sure to behave as irrationally as possible. Go team. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2020, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-are-most-of-the-people-upset-about-staying-at-home/852134/7 "2020-04-19T19:29:09Z")
To add to what Telemark said, if Republicans in rural areas go out and about, that’s one thing. If anyone with the virus (Republican or not) goes about in an urban area, they can potentially infect 100x more people than they could in a rural area. In other words, urban cities with 70-90% Democratic populaces have the most to fear. This thread reminds me of people who were gleeful over Hurricane Harvey hitting Texas and Florida three years ago (“those are Trump states!”), not realizing that the hardest-hit places were Democratic urban centers like Houston and Miami. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2020, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-are-most-of-the-people-upset-about-staying-at-home/852134/8 "2020-04-19T19:34:35Z")
> [@Telemark](#): > > Cite that most of the people ignoring the stay at home orders are Republicans, or Trump supporters? The ones on TV demonstrating probably are, but those aren’t the bulk of the people out and about. I live in New York so the contrast is pretty clearcut. We have Andrew Coumo telling everyone they should stay home and we have Donald Trump telling people it’s okay to go out (although I’ll concede that what Trump says can change wildly from day to day). So when I see people hanging out in a crowd in a public place without masks, I know that while they may not be a Trump supporter they’re a Trump follower. ---
**Author:** ![Esprise\_Me](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/esprise_me/32/2947_2.png) [@Esprise\_Me](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esprise_Me)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2020, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-are-most-of-the-people-upset-about-staying-at-home/852134/9 "2020-04-19T19:34:46Z")
I’m not even sure they’ll bear an equal share of the burden. Black people, for example, mostly don’t support Trump but they’re getting hit hard: > **[New CDC data shows Covid-19 is affecting African Americans at exceptionally...](https://www.vox.com/coronavirus-covid19/2020/4/18/21226225/coronavirus-black-cdc-infection)** > > It underscores a broader trend showing that coronavirus isn’t an equalizer but a magnifier of inequality. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2020, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-are-most-of-the-people-upset-about-staying-at-home/852134/10 "2020-04-19T19:36:49Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > You know what a good pandemic really needs? Lots of partisanship. That way, positions can be hardened, people can be even more stressed, and we’ll all be sure to behave as irrationally as possible. > > Go team. What can we do to stop the partisanship? We tried impeaching Trump and the other Republicans refused. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2020, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-are-most-of-the-people-upset-about-staying-at-home/852134/11 "2020-04-19T19:41:11Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > To add to what Telemark said, if Republicans in rural areas go out and about, that’s one thing. If anyone with the virus (Republican or not) goes about in an urban area, they can potentially infect 100x more people than they could in a rural area. In other words, urban cities with 70-90% Democratic populaces have the most to fear. > > This thread reminds me of people who were gleeful over Hurricane Harvey hitting Texas and Florida three years ago (“those are Trump states!”), not realizing that the hardest-hit places were Democratic urban centers like Houston and Miami. Yes, if only there would have been a way to spirit away all the Democrats from those states, then everyone here could have had a big laugh watching Republicans drown. The fact that Democrats were hurt too was clearly the only moral problem with popping popcorn to watch a state be ravaged. If Republicans are currently more likely than Democrats to demand an end to the lockdown, the obvious reason is that more of them tend to live in less populated areas where the risk is lower and the visible damage from the virus is harder to see, but the economic damage from the lockdown is obvious and growing. ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2020, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-are-most-of-the-people-upset-about-staying-at-home/852134/12 "2020-04-19T20:17:39Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > This thread reminds me of people who were gleeful over Hurricane Harvey hitting Texas and Florida three years ago (“those are Trump states!”) Obviously you have a cite for this and aren’t just making it up. ---
**Author:** ![Bijou\_Drains](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bijou_drains/32/2814_2.png) [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2020, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-are-most-of-the-people-upset-about-staying-at-home/852134/13 "2020-04-19T20:22:36Z")
this poll says way more republicans than dems are worried things are moving too slowly to open things up. > **[In new poll, 60 percent support keeping stay-at-home restrictions to fight...](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/meet-the-press/poll-six-10-support-keeping-stay-home-restrictions-fight-coronavirus-n1187011)** > > Fifty-eight percent say they are more worried about stopping the virus' spread, while 32 percent are more concerned with the economic fallout, a new NBC News/WSJ poll shows. ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2020, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-are-most-of-the-people-upset-about-staying-at-home/852134/14 "2020-04-19T22:01:30Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > So when I see people hanging out in a crowd in a public place without masks, I know that while they may not be a Trump supporter they’re a Trump follower. That doesn’t follow. If you go to any outdoor recreation location in MA where I live you’ll see dozens and dozens of cars parked and people milling about walking dogs and enjoying the sunshine and completely avoiding proper social distancing. And the bumper stickers on those cars are for Bernie, Warren, and COEXIST. People everywhere are people, and many of every political stripe get tired of being cooped up. I don’t think they are are following Trump’s ideas of social distancing, but they don’t think it applies to them or they simply don’t care. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2020, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-are-most-of-the-people-upset-about-staying-at-home/852134/15 "2020-04-20T02:46:04Z")
My mother recently said that wanting to go out and socialize before we have control of the situation is like wanting to take off your parachute because land is in sight, and I told her it is more like someone flipping out and trying to open the airplane door while in flight. ---
**Author:** ![RioRico](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f04885/32.png) [@RioRico](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RioRico)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2020, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-are-most-of-the-people-upset-about-staying-at-home/852134/16 "2020-04-20T03:10:50Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > So when I see people hanging out in a crowd in a public place without masks, I know that while they may not be a Trump supporter they’re a Trump follower. My BIL soaks up way too much Fox shit but he’s had to stay home since his bar closed and no others are open nearby. The nearest (not his type) tried staying open to serve biker clientele. Here comes sheriff, with padlocks. Bye-bye liquor license and business. I doubt those bikers were Bernie Bros. My (R) rural redneck county is loaded with Trimpist retirees. Even they mostly wear masks and keep distance. Morons congregating aren’t necessarily GOPs, just morons. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2020, 11:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-are-most-of-the-people-upset-about-staying-at-home/852134/17 "2020-04-20T11:47:34Z")
I saw a meme regarding Michigan and the protests that said " how ironic that men are getting upset about a woman telling them what they can do with their bodies." ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2020, 12:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-are-most-of-the-people-upset-about-staying-at-home/852134/18 "2020-04-20T12:11:54Z")
Some of them might just be folks listening to the CDC. There’s a reason they haven’t been recommending most of the quarantine measures. My hunch is that it’s because, having studied the question much more extensively than any of us on this board, they’ve come to the realization that extreme measures cause more problems than they solve. ---
**Author:** ![galen\_ubal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/galen_ubal/32/4440_2.png) [@galen\_ubal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/galen_ubal)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2020, 12:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-are-most-of-the-people-upset-about-staying-at-home/852134/19 "2020-04-20T12:38:18Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Some of them might just be folks listening to the CDC. There’s a reason they haven’t been recommending most of the quarantine measures. My hunch is that it’s because, having studied the question much more extensively than any of us on this board, they’ve come to the realization that extreme measures cause more problems than they solve. [The CDC begs to disagree.](https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/social-distancing.html) Fortunately, [the large majority of those polled here](https://morningconsult.com/2020/03/25/coronavirus-national-quarantine-trump/) support strong national measures: > [@Morning Consult Poll](#): > > The survey of 1,996 registered voters, conducted March 20-22, finds roughly 3 in 4 voters back a national quarantine, in which all public activity, save for essential travel such as trips to the grocery store and pharmacy, would be prohibited. > > Though Democrats are more firmly in favor of a national quarantine, with 81 percent of the electorate saying they support such a measure, a majority of Republicans (72 percent) and independents (69 percent) are also supportive. The survey has a margin of error of 2 percentage points. Granted, that’s a couple of weeks ago, and the astroturf organizations have been busily proselytizing the Fox news crowd. ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2020, 12:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-are-most-of-the-people-upset-about-staying-at-home/852134/20 "2020-04-20T12:55:21Z")
It’s part fo the mind set of ‘rugged individualism’. basically you are responsible for you. You go out you get sick it’s on you. If you get someone else sick it’s on them, because they went out too. No harm no foul. The opposite is responsibility to one’s fellow man, you are responsible to those you affect to the degree you can know and act and them to you. The problem is in this situation it’s not like all the right is only associating from those on the right, but going to spread Covid everywhere they go. In a very ironic way what they are protesting is the very thing their actions are supporting. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-are-most-of-the-people-upset-about-staying-at-home/852134.md?page=2)