# Trump voters explain themselves **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 4, 2017, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-explain-themselves/776307 "2017-01-04T13:50:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![NickerBot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b5e925/32.png) [@NickerBot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NickerBot)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2017, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-explain-themselves/776307/101 "2017-01-07T19:32:01Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Now think hard. Why do you believe this? Where did you hear it? > > If you think about it, you’ll realize every story you’ve heard about Hillary Clinton started with somebody who had an agenda for telling you that story. And if you look at the stories, you’ll see how little evidence was ever produced to support any of them. > > Hillary Clinton has been accused of murder and treason and kidnapping children and witchcraft. Has she ever been convicted of any of these? Has she ever been put on trial for any of these? Has she ever been arrested for any of these? > > Did you ever notice all these stories get circulated when Clinton’s trying to do something like get elected or get a law passed? And as soon as the vote is over, the stories all get dropped? > > If you want to be a real free thinker, start questioning what you’ve been told. You must be kidding to ask where is the proof of this. I don’t accuse her of the stupid things that Trump supporters accuse her of, I find that her consistent lying (just look it up on youtube if you don’t believe me, look up sniper fire), her corruption (taking huge amounts of money from sketchy places), and her habit of constantly changing her opinions to suit the public. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2017, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-explain-themselves/776307/102 "2017-01-07T19:32:46Z")
Oh, well, we’ve got another “LOOK IT UP ON YOUTUBE!” poster. Yawn. What next, 9/11 truther videos? ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2017, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-explain-themselves/776307/103 "2017-01-07T19:32:52Z")
> [@NickerBot](#): > > As I spoke of before, I chose out of the lesser evil. Note the word evil in both. Which ever one you would’ve chosen would’ve done some damage to the U.S, I chose which damages I could cope with and which ones I couldn’t. You people must keep in mind the fact that there were no “rational” decisions this Presidential Race, it was just choosing whichever one you were comfortable with. The fact that you were unable to make a rational decision in this election does not mean that it was not _possible_ to make a rational decision in this election. ---
**Author:** ![NickerBot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b5e925/32.png) [@NickerBot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NickerBot)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2017, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-explain-themselves/776307/104 "2017-01-07T19:33:01Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > There was a rational choice in this election. You just didn’t make it. You fell for the propaganda. Pray tell where it was… ---
**Author:** ![NickerBot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b5e925/32.png) [@NickerBot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NickerBot)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2017, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-explain-themselves/776307/105 "2017-01-07T19:34:12Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > Oh, well, we’ve got another “LOOK IT UP ON YOUTUBE!” poster. > > Yawn. What next, 9/11 truther videos? Well if you dont trust youtube take a stroll around google, if you choose to not look things up, thats not my problem. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2017, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-explain-themselves/776307/106 "2017-01-07T19:34:54Z")
> [@NickerBot](#): > > You must be kidding to ask where is the proof of this. I don’t accuse her of the stupid things that Trump supporters accuse her of, I find that her consistent lying (just look it up on youtube if you don’t believe me, look up sniper fire), her corruption (taking huge amounts of money from sketchy places), and her habit of constantly changing her opinions to suit the public. Why yes, look at Youtube: Donald Trump lying for 13 minutes straight. BTW, those are not accusations, those were things that Trump himself said and denied about what his positions were and are. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2017, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-explain-themselves/776307/107 "2017-01-07T19:35:14Z")
Perhaps not voting for the serial assaulter/racist/idiot because of your “feelings” and an inability to understand that “videos” are not data or facts but mere propaganda pieces meant to convey an _emotional_ point? Face it: You got played. HARD. ---
**Author:** ![NickerBot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b5e925/32.png) [@NickerBot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NickerBot)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2017, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-explain-themselves/776307/108 "2017-01-07T19:37:05Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > You don’t actually follow the market, do you? > > [djia by month - Google Search](https://www.google.com/search?q=djia+by+month&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS716US716&oq=djia+by+month&aqs=chrome..69i57.4006j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8) You’re in luck, I actually do, and quite persistently (aspiring day trader). The DOWI (if you look at it in 1 month or above, spikes from 17,888 to 19,700 in a period of a couple months. What is it that you wanted me to see in the charts? because that’s what I saw. ---
**Author:** ![NickerBot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b5e925/32.png) [@NickerBot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NickerBot)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2017, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-explain-themselves/776307/109 "2017-01-07T19:39:42Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > Perhaps not voting for the serial assaulter/racist/idiot because of your “feelings” and an inability to understand that “videos” are not data or facts but mere propaganda pieces meant to convey an _emotional_ point? > > Face it: You got played. HARD. The videos I refer to where published far before all this mess. ---
**Author:** ![NickerBot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b5e925/32.png) [@NickerBot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NickerBot)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2017, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-explain-themselves/776307/110 "2017-01-07T19:44:53Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > Perhaps not voting for the serial assaulter/racist/idiot because of your “feelings” and an inability to understand that “videos” are not data or facts but mere propaganda pieces meant to convey an _emotional_ point? > > Face it: You got played. HARD. Now do the same for Hillary please… after all, I want to see who was the other “rational” option ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2017, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-explain-themselves/776307/111 "2017-01-07T19:55:46Z")
> [@NickerBot](#): > > Now do the same for Hillary please… after all, I want to see who was the other “rational” option There were eight investigations on Benghazi(some purely Republican led) which failed to find any fault on her part for any of what happened that night. Do you still believe she should be held accountable? The Director of the FBI said she was nothing more than extremely careless. Do you still believe she should be locked up without a trial? ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2017, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-explain-themselves/776307/112 "2017-01-07T19:56:57Z")
> [@NickerBot](#): > > Now do the same for Hillary please… after all, I want to see who was the other “rational” option Well, this has been one point I have made many times in the past and Trump voters always do not deal with it properly: > **[As Election Year Unfolds, Climate Concern Rises](https://thinc.blog/2016/03/17/as-election-year-unfolds-climate-concern-rises/)** > > Gallup: Americans are taking global warming more seriously than at any time in the past eight years, according to several measures in Gallup’s annual environment poll. Most emblematic is the … > **[As Election Year Unfolds, Climate Concern Rises](https://thinc.blog/2016/03/17/as-election-year-unfolds-climate-concern-rises/)** > > Gallup: Americans are taking global warming more seriously than at any time in the past eight years, according to several measures in Gallup’s annual environment poll. Most emblematic is the … > [@](#): > > **Woman’s question** : “I’m a volunteer with the League of Conservation Voters and we want to know about what your plan is to reduce pollution that is driving climate change and endangering public health.” > > **Trump** : "That’s an interesting question. Let me ask you a question… Ok, so we have global, let me ask you this, ok to [hissing and some boos from the crowd] take it easy… > > How many people, how many people here believe in global warming? [Turns around looks for hands up] You believe in global warming? > Who believes in global warming? > Who believes in global warming? > Raise your hand, nobody? \* > **One person** …" Followed by a tirade humiliating the woman that put the question to him and more denial of the issue. - This is worse than ignorance, it is malpractice. Even professional “skeptics” tell us that global warming is happening but is natural, so the answer should had been yes, but not even that :smack: For Trump it was more important to keep his crowd as ignorant as possible, nothing at all like when John McCain told a follower how wrong she was for telling the crowd that Obama was not an American. The irrational thing here is to deny the climate change that the warming is causing and that humans are the big factor nowadays. Trump’s actions now were to appoint big time climate change deniers to his cabinet, Clinton had advisors that understood the science and she got support even from many conservatives: [http://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/republican-epa-chiefs-endorse-clinton-226814](http://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/republican-epa-chiefs-endorse-clinton-226814) > [@](#): > > Ruckelshaus served as EPA administrator under Reagan and Nixon, while Reilly served under Bush. The pair touted the administrations they worked under for their environmental efforts, but called Trump clueless on the matter. > > “Donald Trump has shown a profound ignorance of science and of the public health issues embodied in our environmental laws,” they said. “He hasn’t a clue about Republicans’ historic contributions to science-driven environmental policy.” > > They also blasted Trump for suggesting that climate change “is a hoax,” noting that they view it as “the singular health and environmental threat to the world today.” > > It “flies in the face of overwhelming international science and the public conviction and commitment of almost 200 national governments that adopted the Paris Agreement on climate change in December 2015,” they said, noting that their “leadership was essential to that agreement.” > > “To back away now, as Trump wants to do, would set the world back decades — years we could never recover. The young people in this country deserve far better than that as our legacy,” they added, before praising Clinton as a candidate who understands the importance of environment protection and is “committed to reasonable, science-based policy to meet those challenges.” Clinton was the rational choice indeed. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2017, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-explain-themselves/776307/113 "2017-01-07T19:59:11Z")
> [@NickerBot](#): > > Now do the same for Hillary please… after all, I want to see who was the other “rational” option [Who is the bigger liar?](http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/lists/people/comparing-hillary-clinton-donald-trump-truth-o-met/) ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2017, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-explain-themselves/776307/114 "2017-01-07T20:00:54Z")
> [@NickerBot](#): > > Pray tell where it was… Are you Russian? :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2017, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-explain-themselves/776307/115 "2017-01-07T20:10:11Z")
> [@NickerBot](#): > > You must be kidding to ask where is the proof of this. I don’t accuse her of the stupid things that Trump supporters accuse her of, I find that her consistent lying (just look it up on youtube if you don’t believe me, look up sniper fire), her corruption (taking huge amounts of money from sketchy places), and her habit of constantly changing her opinions to suit the public. [Trump’s 141 different stances on 23 major election issues.](http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/full-list-donald-trump-s-rapidly-changing-policy-positions-n547801) ---
**Author:** ![NickerBot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b5e925/32.png) [@NickerBot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NickerBot)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2017, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-explain-themselves/776307/116 "2017-01-07T20:13:09Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > There were eight investigations on Benghazi(some purely Republican led) which failed to find any fault on her part for any of what happened that night. > Do you still believe she should be held accountable? > > The Director of the FBI said she was nothing more than extremely careless. Do you still believe she should be locked up without a trial? Did I say any of that? No Did I ever mention the word Banghazi? No ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2017, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-explain-themselves/776307/117 "2017-01-07T20:16:06Z")
> [@NickerBot](#): > > Once more, you people tend to not read very well. If you had paid close attention to what I wrote above, you would see the fact that I said I sided with Right Wing Libertarian. I’m not sure what you think Libertarians are, but what you speak of is science-neglecting-religion-adoring classic Conservatism. Different… In my ideal world (just to give you a sense of what my values are), I would terminate all wars as soon as possible, try not to get the US in any more. Then move on to its economy, do some housekeeping and transform it into a beautiful mix of 4/5 Capitalism with 1/5 Socialism to keep up with the things we like. There would be an enormous boost in education budget along with other things, and the US would finally achieve its supposed “1” status, and by the right means as well… This is called moving the goal posts. Yes, you tacked on a reference to “libertarian” at the end of your paragraph, but the thrust of that whole paragraph was a claim for “the Right” with your odd claim that it was based on “logic and reason,” points that make no sense in terms of “the Right.” If you want to push a libertarian agenda, then you should simply promote that instead of aligning yourself with “the Right.” > [@NickerBot](#): > > Then explain to me how in the past 8 years with one of the nations favorite democratic presidents, we haven’t moved forward one bit in terms of economy, but instead moved backwards tremendously. This statement is so far removed from reality as to render the rest of your argument pointless, since you clearly have only swallowed Trumpian bullshit. Others have pointed out the utter lack of reality in this claim. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2017, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-explain-themselves/776307/118 "2017-01-07T20:17:45Z")
> [@NickerBot](#): > > Did I say any of that? No > > Did I ever mention the word Banghazi? No Did the poster here avoided dealing with what he requested early? Yes. What you miss is that Trump in the debate and rallies said or liked to hear that from the crowd about Clinton, remember that you claimed that Trump should had been the rational choice. The example from **running coach** was on point. ---
**Author:** ![NickerBot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b5e925/32.png) [@NickerBot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NickerBot)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2017, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-explain-themselves/776307/119 "2017-01-07T20:31:08Z")
Ok, you guys win… effective from this point on I am a Hillary Supporter! ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2017, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-explain-themselves/776307/120 "2017-01-07T20:34:03Z")
> [@NickerBot](#): > > Ok, you guys win… effective from this point on I am a Hillary Supporter! You’re too late. But thanks for coming out. Look on the bright side, at least now you’re an informed Trumpeteer. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-explain-themselves/776307.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-explain-themselves/776307.md?page=7)