# Trump voters: explain yourselves **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 24, 2016, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-explain-yourselves/766699 "2016-09-24T03:24:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 20
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2016, 4:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-explain-yourselves/766699/381 "2016-10-05T04:17:07Z")
Oh, dear. Oh, my. ---
**Author:** ![Wolf333](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolf333/32/3460_2.png) [@Wolf333](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wolf333)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2016, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-explain-yourselves/766699/382 "2016-10-05T04:18:56Z")
HeweyLogan seems to be doorhinge without the silly nicknames. ---
**Author:** ![HeweyLogan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heweylogan/32/547_2.png) [@HeweyLogan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HeweyLogan)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2016, 4:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-explain-yourselves/766699/383 "2016-10-05T04:20:21Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > Why can’t one damn birther ever just say “you were right; he was born in Hawaii all along and we spent years hounding him on something that never should have come up in the first place”? That’s a good question. I’d love to see it answered. I was fine with things after 2011. ---
**Author:** ![HeweyLogan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heweylogan/32/547_2.png) [@HeweyLogan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HeweyLogan)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2016, 4:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-explain-yourselves/766699/384 "2016-10-05T04:25:11Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Oh, dear. Oh, my. Lemme guess - Wizard of Oz? Fitzgerald? Thoreau? Dear God - Lippy and Harpy? Sorry, Hardy. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2016, 4:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-explain-yourselves/766699/385 "2016-10-05T04:33:08Z")
> [@HeweyLogan](#): > > When Obama finally revealed his long form, a long time after he could have released it and made it a non-issue, the issue’s dropped by pretty much everyone now. One more time braindeaddumbfuck. Obama never had the long form. It was in the possession of the State of Hawaii. It was the State of Hawaii’s decision to release it. The request to release it could have been denied by the State of Hawaii. Trump(and others) kept up the birther shit right up until a few days ago. ---
**Author:** ![HeweyLogan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heweylogan/32/547_2.png) [@HeweyLogan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HeweyLogan)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2016, 4:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-explain-yourselves/766699/386 "2016-10-05T04:39:58Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > One more time braindeaddumbfuck. > Obama never had the long form. > It was in the possession of the State of Hawaii. > It was the State of Hawaii’s decision to release it. > The request to release it could have been denied by the State of Hawaii. > > Trump(and others) kept up the birther shit right up until a few days ago. Do you really not understand what I was getting at? I was and am saying that it was an issue that was brought up that could have quickly been dismissed. But it wasn’t, for all kinds of reasons and from every political party, not just the racist Republicans. That’s all. Why others are now pursuing the matter I can’t explain or defend - I don’t have a problem with it anymore. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2016, 4:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-explain-yourselves/766699/387 "2016-10-05T04:52:21Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > Why can’t one damn birther ever just say “you were right; he was born in Hawaii all along and we spent years hounding him on something that never should have come up in the first place”? > [@HeweyLogan](#): > > That’s a good question. I’d love to see it answered. > > I was fine with things after 2011. This may be hard for you to wrap your head around, so sit down, take a deep breath, and continue reading… You are the damn birther I was talking about! Barack Obama was born in Hawaii. That was known in 2008. Hell, it was known in 1961. You seem to think that because you only held on to this ridiculous notion until 2011 that somehow you’re the reasonable one in this discussion. So I’ll ask again. Why can’t you, HeweyLogan, just say “I was wrong. Obama was born in Hawaii all along. It wasn’t an issue, it never should have been an issue”? ---
**Author:** ![HeweyLogan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heweylogan/32/547_2.png) [@HeweyLogan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HeweyLogan)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2016, 4:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-explain-yourselves/766699/388 "2016-10-05T04:58:31Z")
Because it was an issue Robot Arm. Enough so that Obama released his long form in 2011. Why? Well because it was an issue on both sides. Am I fine with it now? Absolutely. Was I in 2008 and I should repent my thoughts at that time? No. Not complicated. Not worth the number of posts spent dwelling on it now. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2016, 5:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-explain-yourselves/766699/389 "2016-10-05T05:06:14Z")
> [@HeweyLogan](#): > > Because it was an issue Robot Arm. Enough so that Obama released his long form in 2011. > > Why? Well because it was an issue on both sides. No, it really wasn’t. A lie doesn’t magically become true if you just get enough people talking about it. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2016, 8:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-explain-yourselves/766699/390 "2016-10-05T08:04:45Z")
> [@HeweyLogan](#): > > Have I said I don’t believe that now? > > Honest to God. Why did you believe it after 2008? He released his birth certificate and a mountain of other proof, with zero contrary evidence. Why wasn’t that enough? > [@HeweyLogan](#): > > Holy fucking irony Batman. > > I was simply saying groups and people who were asking for Obama’s record came from both sides, not just the Republicans (who if they were the only one’s to question, you’d easily ignore as partisan). And because of that it became something he had to answer. > > Not many came out and questioned McCain. When they did they were rightfully dismissed. > > When Obama finally revealed his long form, a long time after he could have released it and made it a non-issue, the issue’s dropped by pretty much everyone now. It was a non-issue for anyone with a brain after he released his birth certificate and a mountain of other evidence in 2008. There was no legitimate reason to question his birthplace after that. Why did you? ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2016, 8:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-explain-yourselves/766699/391 "2016-10-05T08:19:13Z")
> [@HeweyLogan](#): > > Holy fucking irony Batman. > > I was simply saying groups and people who were asking for Obama’s record came from both sides, not just the Republicans (who if they were the only one’s to question, you’d easily ignore as partisan). And because of that it became something he had to answer. > > Not many came out and questioned McCain. When they did they were rightfully dismissed. > > When Obama finally revealed his long form, a long time after he could have released it and made it a non-issue, the issue’s dropped by pretty much everyone now. > > Then fine - go fuck yourself you holier than thou self-righteous prick. If you weren’t a mod I wouldn’t pay any attention to you. I’ll try that from now on. You might find out that there are some double standards even in the pit. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2016, 9:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-explain-yourselves/766699/392 "2016-10-05T09:24:06Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > You might find out that there are some double standards even in the pit. Or, if you’re not stupid, you might find the sticky at the top of the goddamn forum about pit rules. Fuck. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2016, 10:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-explain-yourselves/766699/393 "2016-10-05T10:37:47Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > Or, if you’re not stupid, you might find the sticky at the top of the goddamn forum about pit rules. Fuck. Oh. How edgy. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2016, 11:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-explain-yourselves/766699/394 "2016-10-05T11:32:08Z")
> [@HeweyLogan](#): > > In terms of Obama it was because his father was Kenyan and not much was known about him and/or how the effected the qualification of Obama (in terms of requirements to hold that office). Who cares about his father? I mean, there was never any doubt that his mother was from Kansas, right? You only need one parent for citizenship. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2016, 1:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-explain-yourselves/766699/395 "2016-10-05T13:08:25Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > Who cares about his father? I mean, there was never any doubt that his mother was from Kansas, right? You only need one parent for citizenship. You don’t even need one. Just be born in the right place. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2016, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-explain-yourselves/766699/396 "2016-10-05T22:52:24Z")
> [@HeweyLogan](#): > > Holy fucking irony Batman. > > I was simply saying groups and people who were asking for Obama’s record came from both sides, not just the Republicans (who if they were the only one’s to question, you’d easily ignore as partisan). And because of that it became something he had to answer. > > Not many came out and questioned McCain. When they did they were rightfully dismissed. > > When Obama finally revealed his long form, a long time after he could have released it and made it a non-issue, the issue’s dropped by pretty much everyone now. > [@HeweyLogan](#): > > Do you really not understand what I was getting at? I was and am saying that it was an issue that was brought up that could have quickly been dismissed. But it wasn’t, for all kinds of reasons and from every political party, not just the racist Republicans. Once again, none of this explains your non sequitur to my remark. But yeah, we understand what you are getting at. We’re just saying that what you are getting at is lame, stupid, and irrelevant, and is something only a fuckwit would bring up in the first place. And although we’ve pointed out why, you still keep making the same idiotic points. > [@](#): > > That’s all. Why others are now pursuing the matter I can’t explain or defend - I don’t have a problem with it anymore. The fact that you ever had a problem with it means you’re a fuckwit. > [@](#): > > Then fine - go fuck yourself you holier than thou self-righteous prick. Now _that’s_ more like it! 😃 (I am obligated to inform you, however, that there are a few [language restrictions even in the Pit](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=508858), one of which is that you’re not supposed to tell other posters to go fuck themselves. You are, though, allowed to call me a prick, although only occasionally.:)) > [@](#): > > If you weren’t a mod I wouldn’t pay any attention to you. As I said already, when I’m posting as a poster you don’t have to treat me any differently than any other poster. But you do seem to be pretty slow on the uptake. > [@](#): > > I’ll try that from now on I doubt that very much.😛 ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2016, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-explain-yourselves/766699/397 "2016-10-05T23:42:08Z")
> [@HeweyLogan](#): > > Well because it was an issue on both sides. As pointed out repeatedly, no, it actually **wasn’t** a significant issue with any Democrats after a transient flurry of questions in 2008. Because Democrats (even if they supported Hillary Clinton over Barack Obama) had the common sense to _look at the immediately evident well-documented facts about Obama’s birth_ and acknowledge right away that the questions had been adequately answered. [QUOTE=HeweyLogan] Am I fine with it now? Absolutely. Was I in 2008 and I should repent my thoughts at that time? No. [/quote] Well, thank you for that candid admission that you are so much dumber than the typical Democrat that it took you about three years to recognize simple facts that the Democrats were able to process in about three minutes. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2016, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-explain-yourselves/766699/398 "2016-10-06T02:03:22Z")
> [@HeweyLogan](#): > > I was fine with things after 2011. Here’s my take, since no one asked. The first time I heard the accusation, I thought that it’s certainly legitimate to question any candidate’s qualification: they have to be at least 35, a natural-born citizen, and a resident of the United States for the previous fourteen years. And the burden of proof rests on the candidate: he or she cannot say, “Prove I haven’t been a resident.” In this case, the accusation was that Obama was born in Kenya. I thought he needed to release his birth certificate – and he did in 2008. When I heard someone dismiss that as a forgery, my reaction was that if it was, the burden of proof had still shifted: now it’s on the person claiming forgery to show it’s a forgery. And when the birth announcement in the Honolulu paper was found, again still in 2008, in my view that settled it, absent some truly extraordinary evidence – evidence which never did surface, of course. But I could not imagine any fakery that would reliably alter announcements printed in contemporary papers… unless it involved a fast Delorean or a British police box. That said, I still believe in his heart, Obama is a Keynesian. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2016, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-explain-yourselves/766699/399 "2016-10-06T02:41:52Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Here’s my take, since no one asked. > > The first time I heard the accusation, I thought that it’s certainly legitimate to question any candidate’s qualification: they have to be at least 35, a natural-born citizen, and a resident of the United States for the previous fourteen years. And the burden of proof rests on the candidate: he or she cannot say, “Prove I haven’t been a resident.” > > In this case, the accusation was that Obama was born in Kenya. I thought he needed to release his birth certificate – and he did in 2008. When I heard someone dismiss that as a forgery, my reaction was that if it was, the burden of proof had still shifted: now it’s on the person claiming forgery to show it’s a forgery. > > And when the birth announcement in the Honolulu paper was found, again still in 2008, in my view that settled it, absent some truly extraordinary evidence – evidence which never did surface, of course. All you needed to know was that the Bush Administration, with access to investigative channels exceeding even those of Trump and Arpaio, provided nominee Obama millions of dollars worth of Secret Service protection, and did not pull an October surprise on him. ---
**Author:** ![HeweyLogan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heweylogan/32/547_2.png) [@HeweyLogan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HeweyLogan)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2016, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-explain-yourselves/766699/400 "2016-10-06T03:11:08Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > As pointed out repeatedly, no, it actually **wasn’t** a significant issue with any Democrats after a transient flurry of questions in 2008. Before that? Sounds like it was. > [@Colibri](#): > > But yeah, we understand what you are getting at. We’re just saying that what you are getting at is lame, stupid, and irrelevant, and is something only a fuckwit would bring up in the first place. And although we’ve pointed out why, you still keep making the same idiotic points. We? The board? The mods? Who? Regarding “something only a fuckwit would bring up”, I hope you include the Democrats who initially questioned his credentials into that equation. And regarding this whole line of questioning, it was a small (very small) point of a larger comment I was making. The rest of it has gone ignored. Which is cool. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-explain-yourselves/766699.md?page=19) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-explain-yourselves/766699.md?page=21)