# Trump voters: explain yourselves **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 24, 2016, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-explain-yourselves/766699 "2016-09-24T03:24:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 22
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2016, 6:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-explain-yourselves/766699/421 "2016-10-06T06:26:31Z")
> [@HeweyLogan](#): > > …You’re right. I should just quickly change my position and hope nobody notices. > > Like Hillary does. Ooh. Snap. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2016, 6:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-explain-yourselves/766699/422 "2016-10-06T06:42:13Z")
> [@HeweyLogan](#): > > This place is a rally place. It has nothing to do with discussion, or thoughts counter to your own. This is the typical reaction from someone who says really dumb shit that most people realize is dumb: _“The hive-minded sheeple are incapable of genuine discussion and debate! No wonder they just dismiss my boldly unconventional thoughts!”_ On the contrary, as you’ll see from almost any other of the innumerable threads on this board, this place is absolutely chock-full of discussion and thoughts counter to one’s own. But you don’t provide much opportunity for genuine discussion and diverse opinion (at least, not rational fact-based discussion and opinion) with a claim like _“It was reasonable and credible to doubt Obama’s citizenship credentials from 2008 to 2011”_. There’s not much that rational, fact-based debaters can say about that except _“Wow, you say really dumb shit”_. ---
**Author:** ![HeweyLogan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heweylogan/32/547_2.png) [@HeweyLogan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HeweyLogan)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2016, 6:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-explain-yourselves/766699/423 "2016-10-06T06:46:54Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Ooh. Snap. Your opinion on her changing her position on gay marriage? The TPP? The email account? Bengazi wherabouts and actions? I’m sure you, the wizard of words, has a not so subtle opinion on those issues? No? ---
**Author:** ![HeweyLogan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heweylogan/32/547_2.png) [@HeweyLogan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HeweyLogan)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2016, 6:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-explain-yourselves/766699/424 "2016-10-06T06:53:29Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > This is the typical reaction from someone who says really dumb shit that most people realize is dumb…\*. Sure you don’t mean “us”? ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2016, 9:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-explain-yourselves/766699/425 "2016-10-06T09:37:53Z")
I blame dasmoocher, who invited Trump supporters into this thread to explain themselves. The problem is, when Trump sent his supporters, he wasn’t sending his best, he wasn’t sending his brightest…or was he? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2016, 10:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-explain-yourselves/766699/426 "2016-10-06T10:45:17Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > I blame dasmoocher, who invited Trump supporters into this thread to explain themselves. The problem is, when Trump sent his supporters, he wasn’t sending his best, he wasn’t sending his brightest…or was he? Heck, I’m curious what a “best and brightest” Trump voter would look like. Surely there’s someone in America who’s voting from Trump for something other than the following reasons: 1. A deep-seated hatred and/or mistrust of Hillary Clinton. 2. A desire to burn America politically in the hope that something better will rise from the ashes. Who, if anyone, is a _positive_ Trump voter with genuine reasons to support him, preferably someone who is open to the idea that their views might be incorrect. as, really, any intelligent person should be. ---
**Author:** ![Psychopants](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/eb8c5e/32.png) [@Psychopants](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Psychopants)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2016, 11:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-explain-yourselves/766699/427 "2016-10-06T11:33:41Z")
i rarely post, but after reading the last couple of pages i have to say first - no way this fuckwit is a newbie. second, assuming that it’s an uphill battle when dealing with trump supporters, can you guys please amp up the fighting ignorance thing? please and thank you. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2016, 12:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-explain-yourselves/766699/428 "2016-10-06T12:06:01Z")
> [@HeweyLogan](#): > > “Us” again. > > Really? > > This place is a rally place. It has nothing to do with discussion, or thoughts counter to your own. I’ve been trying to discuss things with you. Specifically, why you continued to doubt Obama’s birthplace after he released his birth certificate and a mountain of other evidence in 2008. There was no evidence he was born anywhere else. And yet you admit you didn’t believe it until 2011. Why? There was a mountain of evidence for his birth in Hawaii, publicly available in 2008, including his birth certificate. Why wasn’t that good enough for you? Further, Trump continued spreading these racist bullshit lies until 2016. Why would you support someone who spread bullshit racist lies, with no evidence, for years and years? ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2016, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-explain-yourselves/766699/429 "2016-10-06T14:28:54Z")
> [@HeweyLogan](#): > > “Us” again. > > Really? > > This place is a rally place. It has nothing to do with discussion, or thoughts counter to your own. Yes, us. The non-fuckwits. If you want discussion, go to Great Debates. We have the Pit so we can insult pathetic dweebs like you and don’t have to treat their idiocies as a serious attempt at discussion. And I haven’t noticed that you actually have thoughts of your own. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2016, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-explain-yourselves/766699/430 "2016-10-06T14:42:47Z")
I would like a Trumpette to step up and explain why she/he believes that a man who has spent his whole life trying to increase his own personal wealth and fame would suddenly have a change of heart once he took the oath of office and work to help others instead? Why do you believe the “deal” he has made with you supporters will end up any different than any of his previous deals where, once he got what he wanted, he did his best not fulfill his end of the bargain? ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2016, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-explain-yourselves/766699/431 "2016-10-06T15:15:17Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > Yes, us. The non-fuckwits. > > If you want discussion, go to Great Debates. We have the Pit so we can insult pathetic dweebs like you and don’t have to treat their idiocies as a serious attempt at discussion. Wasn’t this thread in great debates until Tom moved it to the pit so that people could insult Trump supporters, though? So that’s kind of an unfair statement. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2016, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-explain-yourselves/766699/432 "2016-10-06T15:19:22Z")
> [@Captain\_Amazing](#): > > Wasn’t this thread in great debates until Tom moved it to the pit so that people could insult Trump supporters, though? So that’s kind of an unfair statement. This thread was Pit-worthy from the very first post, so the move was entirely justified, in my opinion. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2016, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-explain-yourselves/766699/433 "2016-10-06T15:37:12Z")
> [@HeweyLogan](#): > > …I’m sure you… has… I have, you have. He/she/it _has_. That’s enough for today, run along and play. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2016, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-explain-yourselves/766699/434 "2016-10-06T16:15:50Z")
> [@Captain\_Amazing](#): > > Wasn’t this thread in great debates until Tom moved it to the pit so that people could insult Trump supporters, though? So that’s kind of an unfair statement. **HeweyLogan** didn’t jump into this thread until it had been in the Pit for almost a week, and in his first post here he called someone a motherfucker. The fact that he’s now whining about not having a “discussion” and that people are being mean to him makes him a hypocrite as well as a fuckwit. He wasn’t dragged into the Pit against his will. If he wants to discuss his views in a civil fashion, there are dozens of thread already in Elections, or he could start a new one. > [@HeweyLogan](#): > > My God you’re one self-absorbed motherfucker. I don’t even think you know how tired your posts get, you’re too busy posting them. The fact you’re so unaware is what makes your posts so enjoyable. ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2016, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-explain-yourselves/766699/435 "2016-10-06T16:24:30Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > I would like a Trumpette to step up and explain why she/he believes that a man who has spent his whole life trying to increase his own personal wealth and fame would suddenly have a change of heart once he took the oath of office and work to help others instead? Why do you believe the “deal” he has made with you supporters will end up any different than any of his previous deals where, once he got what he wanted, he did his best not fulfill his end of the bargain? I would like a Hillaryette to answer this question as well. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2016, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-explain-yourselves/766699/436 "2016-10-06T16:36:14Z")
> [@Drunky\_Smurf](#): > > I would like a Hillaryette to answer this question as well. Do you think it would be impossible, or even mildly difficult, to name some of Hillary Clinton’s efforts as a public servant? I realize your whole shtick is kneejerk contrarian, but c’mon. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2016, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-explain-yourselves/766699/437 "2016-10-06T16:50:14Z")
> [@](#): > > My God you’re one self-absorbed motherfucker. I don’t even think you know how tired your posts get, you’re too busy posting them. The fact you’re so unaware is what makes your posts so enjoyable. Gee, thanks, **Colibri** , for re-posting that! Just when I make a few faltering steps toward recovering my self-respect and dignity, you gotta go and do that! Apparently, you don’t realize what a sensitive and vulnerable person I am! No, no, that’s OK, I’ll get over it, somehow, some way… Might help if you sent me some money. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2016, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-explain-yourselves/766699/438 "2016-10-06T16:54:45Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > No, no, that’s OK, I’ll get over it, somehow, some way… Might help if you sent me some money. You could always take the Trumpian route, and threaten to sue him… ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2016, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-explain-yourselves/766699/439 "2016-10-06T17:35:16Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Gee, thanks, **Colibri** , for re-posting that! Just when I make a few faltering steps toward recovering my self-respect and dignity, you gotta go and do that! Apparently, you don’t realize what a sensitive and vulnerable person I am! > > No, no, that’s OK, I’ll get over it, somehow, some way… Might help if you sent me some money. Hey, I didn’t identify who he was talking about, but you’re right. From the description everyone will instantly know it was you.😃 ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2016, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-explain-yourselves/766699/440 "2016-10-06T17:58:28Z")
> [@HeweyLogan](#): > > This place is a rally place. It has nothing to do with discussion, or thoughts counter to your own. True, it’s not for everyone. Thanks for stopping by. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-explain-yourselves/766699.md?page=21) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-explain-yourselves/766699.md?page=23)