# Trump voters: explain yourselves **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 24, 2016, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-explain-yourselves/766699 "2016-09-24T03:24:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 25
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2016, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-explain-yourselves/766699/481 "2016-10-13T17:57:55Z")
> [@HeweyLogan](#): > > I don’t think it was the Bush administration that gave Obama SS protection. Well, actually, the Secret Service has been extending protection to presidential nominees for some time. In his memoir _Secret Service Chief_, U.E. Baughmann (Chief from 1948-61) describes maintaining details on both John Kennedy and Richard Nixon on opposite sides of the country just before the 1960 election. Baughmann lamented that he was only supposed to “officially” assign a protection detail to the winner, once one had been determined, and that it would be easier if he’d had more discretion in the matter. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2016, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-explain-yourselves/766699/482 "2016-10-13T21:52:39Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > As pointed out in the article I linked to, maybe it will take a President Trump to finally get America to rein in the power of the executive, starting with those “executive orders”. Oh, please, that “accelerationism” nonsense never works. That’s the same logic the German Communists used to support Hitler, because he’d discredit right wing politics and then they could take over. Most of them ended up too dead to know just how bad their error was. A President Trump would lock far-right politics into a dominant position for decades, and result in a far more powerful Presidency. And create a great deal of death and suffering along the way. > [@Lumpy](#): > > This ain’t 1932 Germany, and Trump doesn’t have an army of brownshirts beating people on the streets. Because he’s not in a position to give them cover, yet. But as President he could. > [@Lumpy](#): > > Bullshit. Just plain bullshit. Hardly. You are deluding yourself if an ethnic cleansing campaign against millions of people isn’t going to involve a\* lot \*of killing. And anti-homosexual “conversion therapy” is torture, whether you want to pretend otherwise or not. And beatings, and theft, and rape; I’m already hearing the “jokes” about “keeping the pretty ones in the basement”. ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2016, 5:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-explain-yourselves/766699/483 "2016-10-15T05:27:22Z")
Amazing how the surrogates defend the groping. You know the next bomb-shell tape will be of Trump using the “N-word”. They’ll probably save that one until the week of the election. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2016, 12:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-explain-yourselves/766699/484 "2016-10-15T12:09:21Z")
> [@dasmoocher](#): > > Amazing how the surrogates defend the groping. > > You know the next bomb-shell tape will be of Trump using the “N-word”. They’ll probably save that one until the week of the election. “It’s just a word! Hillary robble robble muderered emails robble Benghazi!” “They say it to _each other_ all the time!” “Trump can’t be no racist— he had them blacks on his TV show!” “There weren’t no racism no more, afore Obozo and Black Lives Matter come along and messed everything up a’gin!” “Trump’s just saying what we all think!” _(Shhhh, Grandpa… you’re not helping!)_ ---
**Author:** ![HeweyLogan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heweylogan/32/547_2.png) [@HeweyLogan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HeweyLogan)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2016, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-explain-yourselves/766699/485 "2016-10-15T14:05:21Z")
> [@dasmoocher](#): > > Amazing how the surrogates defend the groping. It’s amazing how the Democrats defend Bill Clinton. And the wife still married to him. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2016, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-explain-yourselves/766699/486 "2016-10-15T14:21:38Z")
> [@HeweyLogan](#): > > It’s amazing how the Democrats defend Bill Clinton. > > And the wife still married to him. If I were you, I wouldn’t vote for him. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2016, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-explain-yourselves/766699/487 "2016-10-15T14:26:13Z")
> [@HeweyLogan](#): > > It’s amazing how the Democrats defend Bill Clinton. > > **And the wife still married to him.** Alternate reality: How can you vote for a woman who won’t fight to save her marriage? ---
**Author:** ![HeweyLogan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heweylogan/32/547_2.png) [@HeweyLogan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HeweyLogan)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2016, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-explain-yourselves/766699/488 "2016-10-15T14:37:44Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Alternate reality: How can you vote for a woman who won’t fight to save her marriage? Not really. It’s more of a ‘How can you vote for a woman who won’t stand up for herself?’ And she wants to stand up to the world? She’s been married to a sexual abuser and assaultant for years. I don’t see the feminists against her or that, I see them against Trump. Fucking Hell. ---
**Author:** ![Vicsage](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/e68b1a/32.png) [@Vicsage](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Vicsage)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2016, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-explain-yourselves/766699/489 "2016-10-15T14:47:23Z")
Keep hearing Trump is far right. He is and always has been pro-gay rights. He’s apparently pro-transgender rights. He’s pro-abortion rights or at the very least neutral and doesn’t really give a #@$#. Two huge planks of the social right, and he will never support them. He does support lowering taxes on the rich, which ironically is what the other wing of the conservative party wants and they don’t support him. He wants to institute a child care program which I’ve heard will cost in the hundreds of billions of dollars. Not really a far-right idea. He says he wants to send back immigrants, but even there he flip/flops to some degree and probably will just send back convicted criminals. If you want to label Trump as a populist conman who is using the far rights hatred of Hillary and Democrats to further his agenda, fine, but he is not a conservative and he is not far right. Compare his views to Ted Cruz to see the difference. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2016, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-explain-yourselves/766699/490 "2016-10-15T14:48:52Z")
> [@HeweyLogan](#): > > It’s amazing how the Democrats defend Bill Clinton. > > And the wife still married to him. It’s called minding their own business. Their marriage isn’t the business of other people. > [@HeweyLogan](#): > > Not really. It’s more of a ‘How can you vote for a woman who won’t stand up for herself?’ > > And she wants to stand up to the world? A silly argument, she’s been standing up to the insane hatred of the Republicans for decades. That don’t hate her because she’s weak, they hate her because she’s strong. > [@HeweyLogan](#): > > She’s been married to a sexual abuser and assaultant for years. I don’t see the feminists against her or that, I see them against Trump. Because there’s no reason to think he’s a “sexual abuser” outside of evidence-free accusations by people who are probably paid or coerced into it by the Republicans. ---
**Author:** ![Vicsage](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/e68b1a/32.png) [@Vicsage](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Vicsage)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2016, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-explain-yourselves/766699/491 "2016-10-15T15:05:14Z")
Noticed how both sides (Clinton/Trump) are avoiding the name Jeff Epstein. A possible third rail for both Bill and Donald’s reputation. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2016, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-explain-yourselves/766699/492 "2016-10-15T15:10:23Z")
Ever notice how quick Trump supporters are to answer any issue with their candidate with “But _Hillary!_” That isn’t defending your candidate, that’s deflection. ---
**Author:** ![HeweyLogan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heweylogan/32/547_2.png) [@HeweyLogan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HeweyLogan)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2016, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-explain-yourselves/766699/493 "2016-10-15T15:23:30Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > Ever notice how quick Trump supporters are to answer any issue with their candidate with “But _Hillary!_” > > That isn’t defending your candidate, that’s deflection. That’s hilarious. Everything I read in the Elections forum leads me to think you do it worse then anybody - ‘Make up things for Hillary to counter Trump with’. ‘Trump hates women’. ‘Trump - no good! Evil!’ All the while going ‘Please don’t look at our candidate. We know she sucks’. Deflection. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2016, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-explain-yourselves/766699/494 "2016-10-15T16:48:53Z")
> [@HeweyLogan](#): > > That’s hilarious. > > Everything I read in the Elections forum leads me to think you do it worse then anybody - ‘Make up things for Hillary to counter Trump with’. ‘Trump hates women’. ‘Trump - no good! Evil!’ Whoops,[here are three of your friends and colleagues](http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/14/us/mosque-attack-thwarted-kansas/index.html) who won’t be able to vote for Trump this election. Fucking terrorists. Maybe you can send them some money for their commissary account in prison. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2016, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-explain-yourselves/766699/495 "2016-10-15T17:05:46Z")
> [@HeweyLogan](#): > > Everything I read in the Elections forum leads me to think you do it worse then anybody - ‘Make up things for Hillary to counter Trump with’. ‘Trump hates women’. ‘Trump - no good! Evil!’ There’s no need to “make up” anything, he’s spent decades demonstrating how horrific a person he is. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2016, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-explain-yourselves/766699/496 "2016-10-15T19:05:00Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > What he said: [I Can’t Stand Donald Trump. But I’m Voting for Him.](https://medium.com/@tgiovanetti/i-cant-stand-donald-trump-but-i-m-voting-for-him-d4738ee5812e#.us8wftp5v) Yup. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2016, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-explain-yourselves/766699/497 "2016-10-15T20:34:02Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > Yup. From the article cited: > [@](#): > > I can’t stand Donald Trump. I don’t consider myself a Trump “supporter.” I think he’s a disaster of a nominee and an objectionable human being. At this point I don’t think he can win. I expect a steady stream of terrible reveals from Trump’s past between now and the election. Yep, that is well deserved praising and an explanation… [sarcasm] No, his explanation for voting for Trump because of the staff he will choose will be a competent one, has been shown also to be a stupid reason. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2016, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-explain-yourselves/766699/498 "2016-10-15T20:42:35Z")
Nothing really wrong with the staff he has now, save that he doesn’t listen to them. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2016, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-explain-yourselves/766699/499 "2016-10-15T20:44:16Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > From the article cited: > > Yep, that is well deserved praising and an explanation… [sarcasm] > > No, his explanation for voting for Trump because of the staff he will choose will be a competent one, has been shown also to be a stupid reason. It’s a stupid reason _to you._ The guy, like many of us, is weighing the pros and cons of Trump and what he says he wants to do with the pros and cons of Clinton and what she says she wants to do. That’s all there is to it. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2016, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-explain-yourselves/766699/500 "2016-10-15T21:00:21Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > It’s a stupid reason _to you._ The guy, like many of us, is weighing the pros and cons of Trump and what he says he wants to do with the pros and cons of Clinton and what she says she wants to do. That’s all there is to it. It is stupid to think that Trump and henchmen will do the best as [many](http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/2016/06/20/Trump-s-Economic-Plan-Would-Be-Disaster-US-Economy-Moody-s) [that](http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2015/09/trumponomics) use [reason](http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/20/us/politics/donald-trump-immigration.html) can tell you, **not just me**. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-explain-yourselves/766699.md?page=24) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-explain-yourselves/766699.md?page=26)