# Trump voters: explain yourselves **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 24, 2016, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-explain-yourselves/766699 "2016-09-24T03:24:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 27
**Author:** ![random6x7](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/8baadc/32.png) [@random6x7](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/random6x7)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2016, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-explain-yourselves/766699/521 "2016-10-17T00:31:09Z")
**TonySinclair** , there is Juanita Broaddrick, who claims that Hillary threatened her after she was raped by Bill. Buzzfeed has a very sympathetic interview with Broaddrick: [https://www.buzzfeed.com/katiejmbaker/juanita-broaddrick-wants-to-be-believed?utm\_term=.arj4JlLQW4#.ulLexLG8ne](https://www.buzzfeed.com/katiejmbaker/juanita-broaddrick-wants-to-be-believed?utm_term=.arj4JlLQW4#.ulLexLG8ne). Her claim against Hillary is not very convincing, though I can hardly blame Broaddrick for being raw and overly sensitive after that kind of trauma. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2016, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-explain-yourselves/766699/522 "2016-10-17T01:01:11Z")
Bill Clinton probably raped Juanita Broddick. There’s no point denying that. Hillary Clinton might make a good President; Trump absolutely will not. We live in a world were sometimes you have to make unpleasant choices. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2016, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-explain-yourselves/766699/523 "2016-10-17T01:50:25Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > And one thing that falls squarely on her shoulders is how she treated the women who were victims of sexual assault. Guess she finds it easy to make claims about victims of sexual assault needing to be heard and believed and supported—then do the exact opposite. > [@tomndebb](#): > > I keep seeing Fox and Conway talking about how mean Hillary was to Bill’s consorts, but I have not yet actually seen or heard what she specifically said or did. Do you have an example, (as opposed to a Hannity or Conway claim)? According to Juanita Broaddrick , the following happened: Soon after, Broaddrick says, she ran into Hillary Clinton at a political rally Broaddrick had promised friends she would attend. Hillary shook her hand and thanked her for everything she had done for Bill. To Broaddrick, the gesture felt like a threat to stay silent. This doesn’t sound that sinister to me. Not sure I would spin it as “how she treated the women who were victims of sexual assault,” but then I’m not a Trump supporter. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2016, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-explain-yourselves/766699/524 "2016-10-17T03:57:04Z")
> [@HeweyLogan](#): > > She’s only doing what a woman should do? > > Yikes. I don’t think your side agrees with that idea. No, she has the freedom to do whatever she wants. Her not getting divorced is not a sign of weakness. And it would be the same with men. I’m not criticizing Melania for either staying with Trump or dumping him starting Nov. 9. It is her marriage, it is her choice. Do you agree? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2016, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-explain-yourselves/766699/525 "2016-10-17T04:09:12Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > According to Juanita Broaddrick , the following happened: > > Soon after, Broaddrick says, she ran into Hillary Clinton at a political rally Broaddrick had promised friends she would attend. Hillary shook her hand and thanked her for everything she had done for Bill. To Broaddrick, the gesture felt like a threat to stay silent. > > This doesn’t sound that sinister to me. Not sure I would spin it as “how she treated the women who were victims of sexual assault,” but then I’m not a Trump supporter. To me that sounds like Hillary didn’t know or had forgotten who Broaddrick was and gave her a standard expression of gratitude she likely extended to hundreds of Bill supporters. ---
**Author:** ![HeweyLogan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heweylogan/32/547_2.png) [@HeweyLogan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HeweyLogan)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2016, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-explain-yourselves/766699/526 "2016-10-18T21:51:42Z")
> [@coremelt](#): > > Ah, this will save me some time you’re already here. HeweyLogan you are a cretinous ignorant idiot. If Obama declared the sun would rise tomorrow you’d say he was wrong. People like you are the reason why politics in the US is in such a toxic state. Grow up and educate yourself before you try and talk politics with adults. > > You have the mindset of a 5 year old, you throw a tantrum and smash all your toys, then cry and blame someone else because they can’t be magically fixed. Yes this is an analogy but I’m sure you’re too stupid to work out what it’s about. What was that you said about irony? My God. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2016, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-explain-yourselves/766699/527 "2016-10-18T23:38:18Z")
> [@HeweyLogan](#): > > What was that you said about irony? > > My God. And it also appears you don’t even know the definition of the word “irony”. Idiot. ---
**Author:** ![HeweyLogan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heweylogan/32/547_2.png) [@HeweyLogan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HeweyLogan)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2016, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-explain-yourselves/766699/528 "2016-10-19T02:51:33Z")
Fuck you. What he’s saying about me could be said about him. Easily. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2016, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-explain-yourselves/766699/529 "2016-10-19T02:58:44Z")
> [@TonySinclair](#): > > Using the Trump standard of proof, those women are all liars. I mean, look at them. Good point. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2016, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-explain-yourselves/766699/530 "2016-10-19T03:02:32Z")
> [@HeweyLogan](#): > > Fuck you. [Moderating] Saying “Fuck you,” to other posters is a violation of the Pit’s language rules. Please avoid doing this in the future. No warning issued. [/Moderating] ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2016, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-explain-yourselves/766699/531 "2016-10-19T03:14:04Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > I keep seeing Fox and Conway talking about how mean Hillary was to Bill’s consorts, but I have not yet actually seen or heard what she specifically said or did. Do you have an example, (as opposed to a Hannity or Conway claim)? > I recall her saying that there was a vast Right Wing conspiracy, (which appears to have had a certain amount of truth to it), but I do not recall her being quoted in the New York Times, Washington Post, CNN, or elsewhere publicly describing any of Bill’s accusers as tramps, hos, gold-diggers, or other nasty names. I do recall her referring to them as bimbos, and she called Gennifer Flowers “trailer trash”. Then we have her long-time dependable surrogate James Carville saying saying in reference to Paula Jones, :“If you drag a hundred dollar bill through a trailer park, you never know what you’ll find." [Here is more:](http://thefederalist.com/2015/09/21/hillary-clinton-is-no-friend-to-sexual-assault-survivors/) > [@](#): > > “If you drag a hundred dollar bill through a trailer park, you never know what you’ll find,” he said at the time. Carville even went so far as to set up a web site for the exclusive purpose of personally smearing Paula Jones and other Clinton victims and skeptics. > > And if you’re wondering where Carville learned to do awful things like that, he apparently learned by watching Hillary Clinton. Here’s how Slate of all places describes Hillary’s history of silencing alleged victims of sexual assault: > > According to Carl Bernstein’s A Woman in Charge, as her husband prepared to run for president, she pushed to get sworn statements from women he’d been rumored to have been involved with, statements in which they were supposed to say they’d had no relationship with him. She even interviewed one of these women herself, at her law firm. She also led efforts to undermine Gennifer Flowers, whom she referred to as “trailer trash.” You might want to separate her from Carville, but he was clearly working as a Clinton surrogate back them. I just did a quick search. But the fact is that all of those girls were treated horribly. I expect YMMV. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2016, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-explain-yourselves/766699/532 "2016-10-19T03:46:55Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > I do recall her referring to them as bimbos, and she called Gennifer Flowers “trailer trash”. Some woman claimed to have had an affair with her husband and all she did was [allegedly] call her trailer trash? > [@](#): > > But the fact is that all of those girls were treated horribly. Yes, terrible. Someone fetch my fainting couch. ---
**Author:** ![HeweyLogan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heweylogan/32/547_2.png) [@HeweyLogan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HeweyLogan)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2016, 3:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-explain-yourselves/766699/533 "2016-10-19T03:48:27Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > [Moderating]Please avoid doing this in the future. Will do. ---
**Author:** ![HeweyLogan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heweylogan/32/547_2.png) [@HeweyLogan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HeweyLogan)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2016, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-explain-yourselves/766699/534 "2016-10-19T04:01:06Z")
> [@Voyager](#): > > No, she has the freedom to do whatever she wants. Her not getting divorced is not a sign of weakness. And it would be the same with men. > I’m not criticizing Melania for either staying with Trump or dumping him starting Nov. 9. It is her marriage, it is her choice. Do you agree? Yes. I just take issue with why Hillary (most likely) stayed with Bill - it was politically expedient of her to do so, assuming she wanted to do what she’s doing now. And I’d say she knew then that she was in politics for life - it helped for her to stay with him. - My cynical view of her. And yet another reason I’ll vote for Trump. ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2016, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-explain-yourselves/766699/535 "2016-10-19T04:08:25Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > I’m ordering my [Basket of Deplorables](https://s3.amazonaws.com/teeshirtpalace-production/spree/images/PMD4526-BLACK-AT/large/PMD4526-BLACK-AT.jpg?1473884107) t-shirt today. > [@HeweyLogan](#): > > Yes. > > I just take issue with why Hillary (most likely) stayed with Bill - it was politically expedient of her to do so, assuming she wanted to do what she’s doing now. And I’d say she knew then that she was in politics for life - it helped for her to stay with him. > > - My cynical view of her. And yet another reason I’ll vote for Trump. You are against her because she has devoted her life to politics and running the counrty, and so you are voting for some bonehead that just wants to be on TV? Man, I’m all for a big shakeup of the politcal system, but not like this. Not like this. ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2016, 4:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-explain-yourselves/766699/536 "2016-10-19T04:21:20Z")
I’m not sure how that lumpy quote got there…weird. Feel free to ignore that part. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2016, 4:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-explain-yourselves/766699/537 "2016-10-19T04:24:28Z")
> [@snfaulkner](#): > > I’m not sure how that lumpy quote got there…weird. Feel free to ignore that part. Incidentally that happened to me earlier, too. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2016, 4:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-explain-yourselves/766699/538 "2016-10-19T04:25:02Z")
The T-shirt is $20. A month or so from now, I’ll likely be able to pick one up at Goodwill for $2. A month, that’s be about a week after the election. I’ll have sobered up enough by then. ---
**Author:** ![HeweyLogan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heweylogan/32/547_2.png) [@HeweyLogan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HeweyLogan)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2016, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-explain-yourselves/766699/539 "2016-10-19T04:27:51Z")
> [@snfaulkner](#): > > You are against her because she has devoted her life to politics and running the counrty. Yes, to some extent. Some guy at the Daily Kos says it better than I can **“It has become increasingly clear to me that HRC’s pursuit of the White House has less to do with the welfare of American Society and everything to do with one person’s relentless desire to obtain high office… From serving on WalMart’s board, to tolerating her husband’s infidelities, to trading government favors for Clinton Foundation donations, her rise has been marked by Machiavellian maneuvers.”** > **[Hillary Clinton's Blind Ambition](https://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/02/24/1490368/-Hillary-Clinton-s-Blind-Ambition)** > > It has become increasingly clear to me that HRC’s pursuit of the White House has less to do with the welfare of American Society and everything to do with one person’s relentless desire to obtain high I couldn’t agree more. > [@snfaulkner](#): > > …and so you are voting for some bonehead that just wants to be on TV? No, I don’t think he only wants to be on TV, or sell water and ties, a characterization your side desperately wants to promote. I think he’s in it for the right cause - he believes we’re headed in a direction that he can change. And so far, he’s changing things. In a way I can live with. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2016, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-explain-yourselves/766699/540 "2016-10-19T04:35:51Z")
> [@HeweyLogan](#): > > And so far, he’s changing things. Well, electing a woman as president certainly is a change, I’ll give you that. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-explain-yourselves/766699.md?page=26) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-explain-yourselves/766699.md?page=28)