# Trump voters prefer Jefferson Davis as president to Barack Obama **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 23, 2017, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-prefer-jefferson-davis-as-president-to-barack-obama/794487 "2017-08-23T21:33:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2017, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-prefer-jefferson-davis-as-president-to-barack-obama/794487/201 "2017-08-26T19:31:30Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > Is it the word “deplorable” that you feel was the insult? It was _an_ insult, but no, not THE insult. It formed part of the overall insult. > [@](#): > > If she had just said, “About half of Trump’s supporters are racists, homophobes, islamophobes, and bigots. Unfortunately, there are people like that, and he has lifted them up.He’s given voice to websites that used to have 11,000 viewers now have 11 million. He tweets…” would that have been as insulting? Yeah, pretty much. In my opinion, choosing to specify that “about half,” of Trump’s supporters are _anything_ is dubiously unwise. “Some,” of Trump’s supporters would (again, in my opinion) been a safer statement; this allows comment without tarring the people who support Trump for reasons like, “Because we’re tired of being told by the Left that we’re backwards.” > [@](#): > > Personally, I take it as people were wrong to deliberately misinterpret her word in order to generate outrage, but you can’t control how people will choose to misinterpret what you say. Yes, they were, but every single candidate for President in my lifetime has said something that his opponent has used out of context against him. In other words, that’s not an accusation that reveals the perfidy of Trump, but simply the reality of politicking. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2017, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-prefer-jefferson-davis-as-president-to-barack-obama/794487/202 "2017-08-26T19:53:09Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > How is that relevant? > > Imagine folks who _aren’t_ racists. Imagine that Democrats call 'em racists anyway. Imagine a Democrat then says something about racists being deplorable; and then, repeat for effect with ‘xenophobia’ and ‘bigotry’ or whatever and et cetera. > > Now, I figure that such folks would say _“no, of course not”_ if asked whether they’re racists. And I also figure that, upon hearing the “deplorable” comment, such folks would think, _“hang on: is this is a situation where somebody who’s wrong about me on one count is wrong about me on two counts?”_ And that is the problem. They imagined all the stuff that you ask me to imagine. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2017, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-prefer-jefferson-davis-as-president-to-barack-obama/794487/203 "2017-08-26T20:20:33Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > And that is the problem. They imagined all the stuff that you ask me to imagine. What? Oh, possibly there’s been some sort of miscommunication: they didn’t need to imagine a word of that; it’s what simply happened. All apologies for any mixup. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2017, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-prefer-jefferson-davis-as-president-to-barack-obama/794487/204 "2017-08-26T20:41:28Z")
> [@SaneBill](#): > > How you tell a leftie from a rightie ? > > Just ask what they’ll do if the other party wins. > Leftie says they’ll leave the country. Rightie says they’ll take up arms. > > And you said “no” like it would be a bad thing :rolleyes: I said “no” because everyone who says it is full of crap. And I am glad that by your criteria most Americans are somewhere in between rightie and leftie. ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2017, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-prefer-jefferson-davis-as-president-to-barack-obama/794487/205 "2017-08-26T21:42:42Z")
White Trash Nation is strong. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2017, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-prefer-jefferson-davis-as-president-to-barack-obama/794487/206 "2017-08-26T22:15:46Z")
> [@SaneBill](#): > > How you tell a leftie from a rightie ? > > Just ask what they’ll do if the other party wins. > Leftie says they’ll leave the country. Rightie says they’ll take up arms. The main reason I’ve seen for ‘righties’ taking up arms since the run up to the last election has been to protect themselves from left-wing violence. ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2017, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-prefer-jefferson-davis-as-president-to-barack-obama/794487/207 "2017-08-26T22:27:33Z")
Punk ass bitch. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2017, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-prefer-jefferson-davis-as-president-to-barack-obama/794487/208 "2017-08-26T23:16:39Z")
See what I mean? 😆 ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2017, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-prefer-jefferson-davis-as-president-to-barack-obama/794487/209 "2017-08-27T00:12:20Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > The main reason I’ve seen for ‘righties’ taking up arms since the run up to the last election has been to protect themselves from left-wing violence. You either believe that, in which case you are stupid. Or you don’t, in which case you are a liar. ---
**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2017, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-prefer-jefferson-davis-as-president-to-barack-obama/794487/210 "2017-08-27T01:04:53Z")
If Hillary said “basket of shitheads,” she’d be in the White House today. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2017, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-prefer-jefferson-davis-as-president-to-barack-obama/794487/211 "2017-08-27T01:36:46Z")
Obama directly attacked racists. Claiming that he didn’t do the same thing Clinton did is dishonest. Clinton was not sunk by the deplorables comment. The only reason to feel insulted by that comment is if you yourself were actually deplorable, since she gave an out. And let’s be clear. **Bricker** attacked people who were upset about Trump winning. He is a deplorable. He is deliberately dishonest in all of his arguments. He never lays out exactly what he thinks and uses trickery. And here he is once again defending Trump. No good person can do that. I just got through ending a friendship of at least 15 years over this. People who defend Trump are deplorable, and Bricker is fighting because he knows he’s deplorable and so needs to fight. Stop arguing with him. Treat him like garbage until he stops being garbage. Stop pretending evil people are good. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2017, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-prefer-jefferson-davis-as-president-to-barack-obama/794487/212 "2017-08-27T01:58:04Z")
> [@BlankSlate](#): > > Punk ass bitch. Someone’s triggered. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2017, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-prefer-jefferson-davis-as-president-to-barack-obama/794487/213 "2017-08-27T02:06:09Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > Obama directly attacked racists. Claiming that he didn’t do the same thing Clinton did is dishonest. > > Clinton was not sunk by the deplorables comment. The only reason to feel insulted by that comment is if you yourself were actually deplorable, since she gave an out. > > And let’s be clear. **Bricker** attacked people who were upset about Trump winning. He is a deplorable. He is deliberately dishonest in all of his arguments. He never lays out exactly what he thinks and uses trickery. > > And here he is once again defending Trump. No good person can do that. I just got through ending a friendship of at least 15 years over this. People who defend Trump are deplorable, and Bricker is fighting because he knows he’s deplorable and so needs to fight. > > Stop arguing with him. Treat him like garbage until he stops being garbage. Stop pretending evil people are good. There are not many infinite quantities in the universe but your sanctimonious posturing has to be in the running to be considered one. Has it ever entered your simple mind that what Bricker is saying is actually good advice. You fools on this board honestly think that you win an argument with people by insulting them and attacking them. Now if you believe that actually works keep at it. For all of the intelligence that the left supposedly has a monopoly on what good has it done them? We are reminded time and again of the left’s superior productivity, education, industry, morality, goodness of being, IQ, compassion and yet with all those superior traits what does the left control? The Supreme Court? The presidency? The Senate? The House? The states? No. So perhaps you should step off your soap box and listen to a man who as an attorney not only is formally educated but also needs the ability to persuade a jury. You don’t persuade people by telling them how vile they are or how stupid or how disgusting or a shithead or deplorable. Those are all counterproductive tactics. Hypocrisy is also another counterproductive tactic. You folks even cling to unlikely explanations when more intelligent and educated people offer more likely explanations. You honestly think every black, Asian, or Hispanic that voted for Trump is a white supremacist? You think every woman who votes for Trump is an anti-woman misogynist? Get out of your cave and talk to real people who are actually comfortable talking frankly with you, which might be hard to find if you act 1/10 of the way you act here with your sermonizing, and listen for a change. Know it all troglodytes are more dangerous to America than the average Trump voter. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2017, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-prefer-jefferson-davis-as-president-to-barack-obama/794487/214 "2017-08-27T02:07:09Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > Clinton was not sunk by the deplorables comment. The only reason to feel insulted by that comment is if you yourself were actually deplorable, since she gave an out. That’s absurd. Imagine for a moment that Trump had said, hey, when it comes to the Mexicans who are entering this country – well, _tons_ of them are bringing crime in general, and drugs in particular; and, oh, yeah, they’re rapists. But let me quickly Give An Out: _some_ of them are good people! Ha-HA! I gave an out, so there’s no reason to feel insulted unless you’re one of those rapists who smuggles drugs! Tee-Hee! Would you give Trump a pass for that? How about the archetypal racist who (a) rails against blacks _in general,_ saying that most of them are worthless parasites with criminal tendencies – but then (b) adds, of one of them _in particular,_ that, well, this guy must be One Of The Good Ones, see. Does that racist get to play the “I Gave An Out” game, since an individual who’d be insulted by his comment must therefore be one of the worthless parasites? Or is that not how it works, because that’d be insane? ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2017, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-prefer-jefferson-davis-as-president-to-barack-obama/794487/215 "2017-08-27T02:43:33Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > You folks even cling to unlikely explanations when more intelligent and educated people offer more likely explanations. You honestly think every black, Asian, or Hispanic that voted for Trump is a white supremacist? You think every woman who votes for Trump is an anti-woman misogynist? Get out of your cave and talk to real people who are actually comfortable talking frankly with you, which might be hard to find if you act 1/10 of the way you act here with your sermonizing, and listen for a change. Know it all troglodytes are more dangerous to America than the average Trump voter. Meh, more of those are realizing nowadays that they were played by Trump. > **[President Donald Trump Job Approval Ratings and Polls | RealClearPolling](https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/approval/donald-trump/approval-rating)** > > Track President Trump's job approval with RealClearPolling. Gain valuable insights and stay informed on the latest ratings and political developments for a comprehensive view of the political landscape. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2017, 5:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-prefer-jefferson-davis-as-president-to-barack-obama/794487/216 "2017-08-27T05:49:58Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Meh, more of those are realizing nowadays that they were played by Trump. > > [President Donald Trump Job Approval Ratings and Polls | RealClearPolling](https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_trump_job_approval-6179.html) I don’t disagree with that. But to label people you don’t know racist, deplorable, EVIL!!!111!!!, Nazi, etc. because they voted for a con man who many believed is counterproductive. But back on topic, I wonder, in a year from now if you were to ask random voting age Americans who Jefferson Davis was, how many would know? ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2017, 9:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-prefer-jefferson-davis-as-president-to-barack-obama/794487/217 "2017-08-27T09:40:54Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Someone’s triggered. Next time you’re tongue fucking Trump’s asshole, I hope he shoots a hot jet of diarrhea down your throat. The same goes for Sharting Fartist. ---
**Author:** ![SaneBill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e68b1a/32.png) [@SaneBill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SaneBill)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2017, 9:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-prefer-jefferson-davis-as-president-to-barack-obama/794487/218 "2017-08-27T09:48:27Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > So perhaps you should step off your soap box and listen to a man who as an attorney not only is formally educated but also needs the ability to persuade a jury. You don’t persuade people by telling them how vile they are or how stupid or how disgusting or a shithead or deplorable. Those are all counterproductive tactics. Hypocrisy is also another counterproductive tactic. Why we should take Bricker’s word for it? Has he actually ever tried to persuade a jury by saying: “If you don’t find the defendant not guilty you are damn idiots and bastards” ? > [@octopus](#): > > You honestly think every black, Asian, or Hispanic that voted for Trump is a white supremacist? You think every woman who votes for Trump is an anti-woman misogynist? How about, every black, Asian, or Hispanic that voted for Trump is an anti-woman misogynist, every woman who votes for Trump is a white supremacist - etc, you know ? * * * > [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > Would you give Trump a pass for that? Did Clinton say: “Trump voters a deplorable. And, I’m sure, some of them are good people.” Don’t you see the difference here. One insulted some, the other insulted first all and then amended it some. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2017, 11:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-prefer-jefferson-davis-as-president-to-barack-obama/794487/219 "2017-08-27T11:02:02Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > If Trump is reelected in 2020 I’d have to give serious thought to leaving. You do realize that would require another place to let you _leave to_, right? Generally, every other place would require you to bring something other than your outrage at the joke occupying the White House right now. Also, from what I’m seeing, too many other places are emulating that twerp and his bigoted supporters now. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2017, 11:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-prefer-jefferson-davis-as-president-to-barack-obama/794487/220 "2017-08-27T11:03:23Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > The main reason I’ve seen for ‘righties’ taking up arms since the run up to the last election has been to protect themselves from left-wing violence. Don’t you mean the myth of left-wing violence? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-prefer-jefferson-davis-as-president-to-barack-obama/794487.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-prefer-jefferson-davis-as-president-to-barack-obama/794487.md?page=12)