# Trump voters prefer Jefferson Davis as president to Barack Obama **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 23, 2017, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-prefer-jefferson-davis-as-president-to-barack-obama/794487 "2017-08-23T21:33:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 18
**Author:** ![Itself](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/d07c76/32.png) [@Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Itself)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2017, 7:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-prefer-jefferson-davis-as-president-to-barack-obama/794487/341 "2017-08-29T07:44:59Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > Do you have family who can get you checked out? You’re an older guy, right? You should go to a doctor and get your cognitive functions checked out. In all seriousness, not being a dick, you should get a health checkup. > > I’m not going to respond to any more of your posts. Ditto to both paragraphs. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2017, 8:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-prefer-jefferson-davis-as-president-to-barack-obama/794487/342 "2017-08-29T08:01:47Z")
> [@Itself](#): > > Dude, I’m a conservative. Your tired schtick about triggered snowflakes is nowhere near as clever or funny as you seem to think it is. Tired? I’ve only used triggered twice or so and one of those was in regard to another poster who said it first. And snowflake maybe a half-dozen times over the last three or four months. > [@Itself](#): > > You’re going to continue to be scared, angry, and confused for the rest of your life. That’s sad, but you deserve it. You’re not a conservative; you’re a lickspittle bitch of whatever strongman you think will save you from the nasty liberals. You are a useless, sniveling, subhuman coward; you’re a worthless excuse for an American and a human being; and you disgust me. I have to chuckle at crap like this. You’re just as wrong about the way I go through life as you continue to be in your conviction despite glaring evidence to the contrary that I’m looking for some conservative strongman to come charging in to save me. If you were a true conservative you’d know that as opposed to our liberal counterparts who are constantly trying to pound square pegs into the round holes of life, we conservatives take things for what they are and make the best of them. As a result I work hard, take care of myself, and derive enjoyment from a wide range of activities and pastimes. I behave the way I do on this board because of the way its posters have behaved toward me since the very first day I arrived here and inadvertently revealed a glimmer of conservative thought. Trust me, you have no idea what the real life me is like. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2017, 8:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-prefer-jefferson-davis-as-president-to-barack-obama/794487/343 "2017-08-29T08:19:46Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > No, that’s not it. There are some dishonest liberals, just as with any group. There are also a lot of honest ones who have different ideas about racism akin with **Richard Parker** ’s most recent post. The disagreements are about that second group, not the first. > > No, I don’t catch all such posts, and I’m sure I have some bias that leads me to miss some. But I catch [some of them](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20443490&postcount=31). I will continue to try and do better. > > You, on the other hand, continue such broad-brushing even after you’ve explicitly agreed in past discussions that it’s both inaccurate and harmful. Broad brushing what groups? Groups such as radical leftists, antifa, or some of the nuts on this board? If you are talking about leftists in general perhaps I’m a bit lazy with qualifying adjectives by leaving them out of some of my posts. That said, the level of intellectual dishonesty I have to deal with on this board doesn’t inspire my most nuanced writing. > [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > OK everyone, now remember; we’re supposed to do what **octopus** _says_, not what he _does_. He’s not really a lead by example kind of person. Yeah, I’m not the person who advocates criminal activity. I’m not the person who calls people racist, bigoted, or a freaking Nazi over support of free speech. I’m dealing with real deplorables in some of these threads and it’s tiring. Even in non pit threads we have dumb asses saying I’m a Nazi supporter because I rightfully point out that when two groups come armed and willing to fight both are to blame. Bats and clubs, like a car, are deadly weapons. It’s tragic but not unexpected that fatalities and serious injuries have occurred as violence predictably and probably desirably escalated. So, I’m truly sorry that I am not the paragon of patience in these threads when I’m dealing with dishonest people. Some of them. Some of them like iiandyiiii are definitely biased but seem honest. There’s some nuance for you. ---
**Author:** ![Itself](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/d07c76/32.png) [@Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Itself)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2017, 8:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-prefer-jefferson-davis-as-president-to-barack-obama/794487/344 "2017-08-29T08:20:36Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Seems to me the survey question is meaningless without three preliminary questions: > > 1. Do you know who Barack Obama is? > 2. Do you know who Jefferson Davis was? > 3. Are you going to answer the survey seriously or are you going to fuck around? That’s an interesting question: Is there a common method used to distinguish responses with legitimate answers from ones where the respondents are just screwing around? I’ve seen longer surveys include questions just to make sure that people are paying attention (as well as the PPP poll about bombing Agrabah), but I’ve never seen that sort of thing used for a simple, one-or-two question survey. I think I have seen a few questions that first ask factual questions about the matter being considered (the one in particular I remember is from the 60s or so, and so may not still be representative) as a sanity-check, but I have no idea what the state of the art is like. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2017, 9:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-prefer-jefferson-davis-as-president-to-barack-obama/794487/345 "2017-08-29T09:16:32Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Reprehensible for sure. Can’t help but wonder if they’d still been armed and behaving the way they did had liberal douchebags never attacked Trump’s supporters at rallies or began throwing wine bottles and swinging bicycle locks at other right wing demonstrations. The racial insults are probably 50% or more insincere and intended to cheese off the libs, which also would be unnecessary were the nation’s liberals not behaving in such an obnoxious and violent manner. > > I was amused the excuse that the ACLU dreamed up to excuse themselves from having to defend the free speech rights of Nazis by announcing they would not defend hate groups who come to demonstrations armed. I can’t help but wonder if ‘armed’ covers wine bottles and bicycle locks as well. How dare those evil Nazis, the entire handful of them, attempt to defend themselves. > > Nazism is vile and evil but free speech is free speech. The best approach is to ignore them, like has been the case throughout the country’s history since WWII. They existed in the 40s, the 50s, the 60s (Playboy published an extensive interview with George Lincoln Rockwell, the founder of the American Nazi Party in 1966, and in so doing gave his views wide exposure. Crickets chirped and when he was murdered a few years later by one of his own followers, the reaction of most of the country was, “Who?”) and throughout all the time since. > > But let’s call a spade a fucking shovel here, mmkay? This is all about Trump. The left has tried to portray Trump and his supporters as Nazis ever since he first became a serious contender for the presidency, and that nonsense has been ratcheted up exponentially since he actually won. Lefties the country over are looking for ways to take out their frustration over Trump’s election and are using the non-threat of Nazism as a way to attack as many of the people who support Trump as they can. > > And what happened in Charlottesville is the result. I’m sure you and many of the rest of the country’s lefties would love it if Trump’s demonstrators and everyone who voted for him just stood there benignly and took their well-deserved lumps, but in the real world people fight back. Actions have consequences and had your political compatriots not turned to violence to begin with, the tragedy of Charlottesville would never have happened. I suppose slavery and centuries of white supremacy were in response to liberal violence? Or only recently did white supremacism become a response to liberal violence? Is every bad thing the fault of liberals, or just modern bad things? ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2017, 12:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-prefer-jefferson-davis-as-president-to-barack-obama/794487/346 "2017-08-29T12:27:47Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > This is all about Trump. The left has tried to portray Trump and his supporters as Nazis ever since he first became a serious contender for the presidency, and that nonsense has been ratcheted up exponentially since he actually won. Don’t you think the people there carrying swastika flags and chanting “Heil Trump” might have contributed just a little bit? ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2017, 12:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-prefer-jefferson-davis-as-president-to-barack-obama/794487/347 "2017-08-29T12:43:41Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > There are not many infinite quantities in the universe but your sanctimonious posturing has to be in the running to be considered one. Has it ever entered your simple mind that what Bricker is saying is actually good advice. You fools on this board honestly think that you win an argument with people by insulting them and attacking them. > > Now if you believe that actually works keep at it. For all of the intelligence that the left supposedly has a monopoly on what good has it done them? We are reminded time and again of the left’s superior productivity, education, industry, morality, goodness of being, IQ, compassion and yet with all those superior traits what does the left control? > > The Supreme Court? The presidency? The Senate? The House? The states? > > No. So perhaps you should step off your soap box and listen to a man who as an attorney not only is formally educated but also needs the ability to persuade a jury. You don’t persuade people by telling them how vile they are or how stupid or how disgusting or a shithead or deplorable. Those are all counterproductive tactics. Hypocrisy is also another counterproductive tactic. > > You folks even cling to unlikely explanations when more intelligent and educated people offer more likely explanations. You honestly think every black, Asian, or Hispanic that voted for Trump is a white supremacist? You think every woman who votes for Trump is an anti-woman misogynist? Get out of your cave and talk to real people who are actually comfortable talking frankly with you, which might be hard to find if you act 1/10 of the way you act here with your sermonizing, and listen for a change. Know it all troglodytes are more dangerous to America than the average Trump voter. This is hilarious. Because you know how the Republicans gained control of all those things? **By insulting people**. But not with some heavily-qualified passing remark, oh no - by making libel and slander of their political enemies a wholesale industry. So here, apparently, is what the Democrats should do: insult their opponents **more**. Every Democratic politician and talking head should take every opportunity to imply, suggest or state outright that the only reason people vote Republican is for selfish reasons and that only Democrats are “real Americans”. Start up several cable news channels and buy up whole networks of radio and television stations and fill them with lies and insinuations about non-Democrats. Be sure to suppress or distort any news that reflects favourably on them and amplify anything that can be used in any way to make them look bad. And any and all insane theories about the Republicans (like, for example, them running kiddie porn rings out of a pizza place) should be mentioned prominently in the news reports, because after all, “people” are saying it! But that’s not all! Heavily fund a number of PACs whose sole purpose is to write legislation favorable to the Democratic party platform and pay politicians to implement it even if they don’t understand it. Fund other groups to work to actively disenfranchise groups of voters most likely to vote Republican, and work to destroy any group that is facilitating voter registration that includes those groups, then claim this was done to prevent “voter fraud” even though the number of legitimate voters “accidentally” removed from the rolls outnumbers the actual number of fraud cases by several orders of magnitude. And don’t forget to cut back on voting hours and the number of polling stations in areas least likely to vote Democrat! If those Republicans really wanted to vote, they’d be willing to stand in line for several hours like all good patriotic Americans. It’s important to do all this in order to protect freedom and democracy. And after all that, if the Dems have time to put together a platform that’s fine, but really they should just adopt a position of absolute obstructionism and claim that whatever the Republicans are doing is bad and that they want to stop it. The problem isn’t that Clinton or the Democrats are mean. The problem is that they’re pikers compared to the professional slanderers of the right. Clearly the Democrats need to raise their game. > [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Of course you’re wrong, it is you after all. They were defending themselves when they showed up armed. I would have thought even a moron could have gleaned that from what I said, but evidently not. > > Were the Nazis showing up to their demonstrations armed before leftie asshats began showing up in greater numbers and attacking/beating/assaulting them with their weapons? The answer, since I’m sure you’ll be loathe to acknowledge it, is _no_! Or, you know, [yes](http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/militia-assault-rifles-unite-the-right-rally-charlottesville-virginia-white-supremacy-latest-a7890081.html). > [@](#): > > More than likely, yeah! That douchebag very likely wouldn’t have gotten so het up at Nazi counter-demonstrators had they not behaved so violently and obnoxiously at other demonstrations. I know - it’s terrible how angrily the left react to people peacefully marching down the street carrying [torches](https://www.forbes.com/sites/drsarahbond/2017/08/15/a-short-history-of-torches-and-intimidation/#220b33216762)and calling for the persecution and/or death of millions of innocent Americans. I mean, it’s not like there’s any history of groups of armed right-wingers beating up unarmed liberals in the American south before now. Why am I not surprised that your worldview continues to be diametrically opposed to reality? ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2017, 1:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-prefer-jefferson-davis-as-president-to-barack-obama/794487/348 "2017-08-29T13:03:26Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Trust me, you have no idea what the real life me is like. We don’t need to know what kind of fraud you are in real life. We have the benefit of insight into how/what you really think. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2017, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-prefer-jefferson-davis-as-president-to-barack-obama/794487/349 "2017-08-29T13:39:19Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > … Trust me, you have no idea what the real life me is like. Lonely old man who yells at the TV? ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2017, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-prefer-jefferson-davis-as-president-to-barack-obama/794487/350 "2017-08-29T14:03:17Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Fund other groups to work to actively disenfranchise groups of voters most likely to vote Republican, and work to destroy any group that is facilitating voter registration that includes those groups, then claim this was done to prevent “voter fraud” even though the number of legitimate voters “accidentally” removed from the rolls outnumbers the actual number of fraud cases by several orders of magnitude. And don’t forget to cut back on voting hours and the number of polling stations in areas least likely to vote Democrat! If those Republicans really wanted to vote, they’d be willing to stand in line for several hours like all good patriotic Americans. It’s important to do all this in order to protect freedom and democracy. I will know that democrats have gotten serious about responding to voter dieefnhanchiemsnet when they actualyl start going after absentee ballots. That’s where all the fraud is, so is very justifiable for election integrity, and it is also how a large number of republicans vote, so it would work out well for democrats in getting and holding onto office. If the Democrats stop being Bricker’s “Scrubs”, and stop playing the game with sportsmanlike conduct, and instead play the game as no holds barred, winning is everything attitude that he indicates that the republicans have taken, then we can win too. We can win elections anyway, dunno if we actually “win”, as the methods that the republicans used to win are what enabled trump into office, and no matter how many house legislatures my part holds, no matter how many governorships, no matter the amount of congressional power, if our methods allow a man like trump to take power, then we have lost. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2017, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-prefer-jefferson-davis-as-president-to-barack-obama/794487/351 "2017-08-29T14:31:11Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > I will know that democrats have gotten serious about responding to voter dieefnhanchiemsnet when they actualyl start going after absentee ballots. That’s where all the fraud is, so is very justifiable for election integrity, and it is also how a large number of republicans vote, so it would work out well for democrats in getting and holding onto office. True, although then the Republicans get to complain about how Democrats are going after overseas military personnel. > [@](#): > > If the Democrats stop being Bricker’s “Scrubs”, and stop playing the game with sportsmanlike conduct, and instead play the game as no holds barred, winning is everything attitude that he indicates that the republicans have taken, then we can win too. We can win elections anyway, dunno if we actually “win”, as the methods that the republicans used to win are what enabled trump into office, and no matter how many house legislatures my part holds, no matter how many governorships, no matter the amount of congressional power, if our methods allow a man like trump to take power, then we have lost. Democrats aren’t completely without their machinations - there’s [this bullshit](https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-democrats-suppress-the-vote/), for example, although it remains small potatoes compared to the organized nationwide campaign of disinformation and voter suppression by the Republicans. But yes, this is the wider problem - if the Democrats play fair, they lose, and if they play dirty, the country loses. But it’s losing anyway, so why not try? ---
**Author:** ![Not\_Carlson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc79bd/32.png) [@Not\_Carlson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Not_Carlson)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2017, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-prefer-jefferson-davis-as-president-to-barack-obama/794487/352 "2017-08-29T15:10:36Z")
> [@begbert2](#): > > Because we honestly can’t think of any better way to deal with them? There’s no indication they can be talked to, . . . [I think Bernie Sanders would beg to differ with you.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvNkdakBexU) > [@QuickSilver](#): > > Let’s look at what Clinton (in)famously said: > . . . > Not all Republicans, not even half of the Republicans, but specifically “Half of a Trump’s supporters”. > > If you do not figure prominently among those she grossly generalized about, why are you so desperately trying to find a way to be offended by what she said when she wasn’t talking about you? Clinton’s “deplorables” remark, although it wasn’t the one big problem that sunk her bid for the presidency, certainly was a gaff. Not that it wouldn’t have been true to say “a significant portion of Trump’s supporters are racists, sexists, homophobes, etc.” But I believe the remark had a galvanizing effect on Trump’s supporters, thanks probably to the way it was spun by Fox News and their ilk. If someone were to say “half of liberals are sexists, racists, homophobes, bigots and pig-fuckers,” it would probably piss off 100% of liberals, even those of us who aren’t pig-fuckers (I swear). (Or, what Bricker said in [post 201](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20440348&postcount=201).) > [@John\_Mace](#): > > But you can argue all you want about whether someone should be offended or not, and keep losing elections, or you can learn from mistakes and have a chance at winning next time. Your choice. I seriously hope the Democrats and progressives do learn this lesson before they screw up their next chance. They need to consider that in 2020 they likely won’t be running against Trump, but against some arguably more broadly tolerable opponent. God help them if they’ve over-invested in righteous indignation and trite “have you seen the other guy” slogans. > [@Bricker](#): > > QFT. > > I fully expect to be voting for a Democrat for President in 2020, and it would be nice if it were someone that fit that bill. > [@bobot](#): > > Or you could just stay home and fuck cactuses. Lots of cactusses, plural cactusses ending in es’s! Oh for fucks sake! The man has offered to vote against his own party for the betterment of your country for the second time around, and this is how you respond. You’re an ass. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2017, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-prefer-jefferson-davis-as-president-to-barack-obama/794487/353 "2017-08-29T16:17:47Z")
Yeah, I can be. I respect that he didn’t vote for Trump. I can’t see how anyone would struggle with the decision, though. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2017, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-prefer-jefferson-davis-as-president-to-barack-obama/794487/354 "2017-08-29T16:32:38Z")
[You might find this interesting,](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=19780993)if you missed it the first time. > [@Bricker](#): > > In fact (and I shared this story elsewhere on the 'Dope) when I arrived at my polling station I sat down with my paper ballot. I stared at it. I marked all the downstream questions. I stared at it some more. I thought about Clinton’s reproductive rights positions and her Supreme Court picks. Then, even though I had come in prepared to vote for her, I changed my mind and marked ‘Trump.’ It is not at all clear to me how much credit someone can claim for not doing something that he \*did \*do. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2017, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-prefer-jefferson-davis-as-president-to-barack-obama/794487/355 "2017-08-29T16:35:52Z")
Consider how Dump’s own home county voted - **the people who best know him** for the sleazebag he is… > **[How Every New York Neighborhood Voted in the 2016 Presidential Election](https://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/numbers/clinton-trump-president-vice-president-every-neighborhood-map-election-results-voting-general-primary-nyc/)** > > See how your New York City neighborhood split the vote between Hillary Rodham Clinton and Donald Trump in the 2016 Presidential election. Queens - his “home town” (despite his pretenses of being a Wall Street/Manhattan bigwig - they laughed at him and called him a hick there) Clinton: 473,289, 75.1% Trump: 138,550, **21.99%** Brooklyn Clinton: 595,086, 79.25% Trump: 133,653, **17.8%** Bronx Clinton: 318,403, 88.4% Trump: 34,424, **9.56%** ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2017, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-prefer-jefferson-davis-as-president-to-barack-obama/794487/356 "2017-08-29T17:02:49Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > [You might find this interesting,](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=19780993)if you missed it the first time.It is not at all clear to me how much credit someone can claim for not doing something that he \*did \*do. In the full post, he scrapped that ballot and got another one and voted for Clinton. Your snipping here was not reasonable. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2017, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-prefer-jefferson-davis-as-president-to-barack-obama/794487/357 "2017-08-29T17:21:31Z")
You don’t think it’s “reasonable” to call him out about being loud and proud ever since of reversing a very close decision that shouldn’t have been a decision at all? And do please note that his purported revulsion toward Trump is merely based on his boorishness, not his corruption or treason or racism, and certainly not on his policies. It’s possible to try so hard to be fair to someone that you wind up being unfair to yourself and everyone else. A lot of people here do that to him when it isn’t deserved. I really don’t get it. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2017, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-prefer-jefferson-davis-as-president-to-barack-obama/794487/358 "2017-08-29T17:22:18Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > [You might find this interesting,](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=19780993)if you missed it the first time.It is not at all clear to me how much credit someone can claim for not doing something that he \*did \*do. Wow, you are something else. Here’s the rest of the post: > [@](#): > > No, they were not irrelevant. > > In fact (and I shared this story elsewhere on the 'Dope) when I arrived at my polling station I sat down with my paper ballot. I stared at it. I marked all the downstream questions. I stared at it some more. I thought about Clinton’s reproductive rights positions and her Supreme Court picks. Then, even though I had come in prepared to vote for her, I changed my mind and marked ‘Trump.’ > > Then I walked over to the machine that reads the ballot. And I stared at my Trump dot, all filled in, and I thought about his boorish mocking of other candidates, his ugly and divisive commentary about immigrants, his hormone-addled teenage mentality about women, his utter carelessness about civics, his absurd and changing promises, his fake press agent, and his lack of self-control. It’s not an exaggeration for effect: I stood there for better than 120 seconds. One of the officials approached and asked if I needed help. And I said that I did; I had made a mistake and needed a new ballot. I marked the one in my hand “VOID” and received a new one, and sat back down. And then I marked all the downstream choices again and stared at the blank space some more. I contemplated one of the third party choices. I knew that would be as meaningless as leaving it blank. > > Finally I filled in “Clinton,” and walked my ballot over to the machine, fed it in, and left with my “I Voted,” sticker. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2017, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-prefer-jefferson-davis-as-president-to-barack-obama/794487/359 "2017-08-29T17:24:11Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > You don’t think it’s “reasonable” to call him out about being loud and proud ever since of reversing a very close decision that shouldn’t have been a decision at all? And do please note that his purported revulsion toward Trump is merely based on his boorishness, not his corruption or treason or racism, and certainly not on his policies. > > It’s possible to try so hard to be fair to someone that you wind up being unfair to yourself and everyone else. A lot of people here do that to him when it isn’t deserved. I really don’t get it. It’s like praising a psychopathic child for not torturing the dog again this week. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2017, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-prefer-jefferson-davis-as-president-to-barack-obama/794487/360 "2017-08-29T17:28:27Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Wow, you are something else. Factual accuracy is indeed “something else” than your habitual supercilious both-sides-ism, isn’t it? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-prefer-jefferson-davis-as-president-to-barack-obama/794487.md?page=17) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-prefer-jefferson-davis-as-president-to-barack-obama/794487.md?page=19)