# Trump voters prefer Jefferson Davis as president to Barack Obama **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 23, 2017, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-prefer-jefferson-davis-as-president-to-barack-obama/794487 "2017-08-23T21:33:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2017, 8:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-prefer-jefferson-davis-as-president-to-barack-obama/794487/61 "2017-08-24T08:06:09Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > the number of people killed by Nazis in America is roughly equivalent to, well, none that I know of. Well, counting the victims of the [Charlottesville car terrorist](http://nationalpost.com/news/world/alleged-driver-of-car-that-plowed-into-charlottesville-crowd-idolized-hitler-former-teacher-says) and the [Portland train stabber](http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40096993), both of whom were on record as advocating Nazi ideology and using Nazi emblems/symbols, that would be three in the last four months alone. Counting those of the [Charleston church shooter](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dylann_Roof), another white supremacist who embraced Nazi symbols and beliefs, makes twelve in a little over the past two years. Counting those of the [Las Vegas cop killers](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Las_Vegas_shootings), who draped a swastika flag over the body of one of their victims, and those of the [Kansas City Jewish [hint hint] Community Center shooters](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overland_Park_Jewish_Community_Center_shooting), who were self-identified neo-Nazis, makes eighteen in about the past three and a half years. Contrary to your entrenched delusion, liberals and progessives in general are **very** strongly opposed to murder and terrorism on the part of Communists. But when it comes to domestic terrorism in the US these days, the fact is that it’s not Communists going on murder sprees in the name of their violent ideology. It’s Nazis, and their fellow far-right extremists espousing Nazi-like beliefs. > [@Starving Artist](#): > > As far as Trump’s reluctance to call the Nazis out, the reason is simple and has been in play from the very beginning of Trump’s candidacy. Yep. Namely, there are quite a few neo-Nazis and Nazi-tolerant people in the US, and they voted for him. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2017, 8:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-prefer-jefferson-davis-as-president-to-barack-obama/794487/62 "2017-08-24T08:12:18Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > I wasn’t talking about Nazis. I was referring to **madmonk’s** allegation that every Trump voter (and by implication, every conservative) are bigots and horrible people. > > And you want to know a few reasons why many on the right don’t get all het up about Nazism? Because number one they’re a fringe group with absolutely no political power and is hated by almost everyone, right and left. And because they know that America’s Jewish population is in no real danger and the number of people killed by Nazis in America is roughly equivalent to, well, none that I know of. Have you been watching the news lately? You had Nazis and Klansmen, marching in the streets in uniform. One of them literally committed a terrorist attack. And Donald Trump, the President of the United States, said both sides were to blame. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2017, 8:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-prefer-jefferson-davis-as-president-to-barack-obama/794487/63 "2017-08-24T08:24:41Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > I was referring to **madmonk’s** allegation that every Trump voter (and by implication, every conservative) are bigots and horrible people. That isn’t what he actually said, though. He said there was nothing wrong with “being insulting in the pit to white nationalists”, and he continued: > [@madmonk28](#): > > Look at the Trump voters on the Dope. Is there one of them that you wouldn’t consider a bigot based on their comments here? I honestly can’t think of one. To a person, they are horrible. In other words, **madmonk28** is saying that every Trump voter here on the Dope, as far as he’s aware, has posted bigoted remarks and consequently is condemned by him as a bigot and a horrible person. Whether or not that claim is true, it’s not at all the same as claiming (or even “implying”) that every self-identified conservative, or even every Trump voter, automatically must be a bigot and a horrible person. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2017, 8:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-prefer-jefferson-davis-as-president-to-barack-obama/794487/64 "2017-08-24T08:35:50Z")
Yes, to be clear, there is not a Trump voter that I’m aware of on the SDMB, that I haven’t once thought to myself “Christ, what a fucking asshole,” in a thread not related to being a Trump voter. I haven’t met every Trump voter in the country, but I would suspect the vast majority of them are assholes and bigots. I would further hazard the guess that people who _still_ support Trump are all huge gaping assholes, bigots and horrible people. I guess I could allow how a shut-in who only is able to get his or her news second hand from a racist caregiver might still be a Trump supporter, but not a racist asshole; other than that though, huge racist assholes. ETA: there are conservatives who did not support Trump and there are conservatives who have been actively critical of Trump, some in the US senate. I am not calling those people racists assholes. But you support Trump, other than diminished capacity, yeah you are a huge racist asshole. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2017, 8:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-prefer-jefferson-davis-as-president-to-barack-obama/794487/65 "2017-08-24T08:42:54Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > Well, counting the victims of the [Charlottesville car terrorist](http://nationalpost.com/news/world/alleged-driver-of-car-that-plowed-into-charlottesville-crowd-idolized-hitler-former-teacher-says) and the [Portland train stabber](http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40096993), both of whom were on record as advocating Nazi ideology and using Nazi emblems/symbols, that would be three in the last four months alone. > > Counting those of the [Charleston church shooter](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dylann_Roof), another white supremacist who embraced Nazi symbols and beliefs, makes twelve in a little over the past two years. Counting those of the [Las Vegas cop killers](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Las_Vegas_shootings), who draped a swastika flag over the body of one of their victims, and those of the [Kansas City Jewish [hint hint] Community Center shooters](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overland_Park_Jewish_Community_Center_shooting), who were self-identified neo-Nazis, makes eighteen in about the past three and a half years. So roughly 5 people a year in a country of 350 million? Why isn’t the left all het up over the number of people killed by drugs or criminal activity? I’ll guarantee you thousands more than that number have been raped, robbed or killed by the criminals the left works so hard to get set free on technicalities or early release from prison. Again, all this rabble-rousing over Nazism is politically driven rather than by the actual threat it presents, and primarily as a reaction to Trump having been elected president. The left has been working tirelessly ever since he became a serious candidate to con people into thinking he’s a Nazi. > [@Kimstu](#): > > Contrary to your entrenched delusion, liberals and progessives in general are **very** strongly opposed to murder and terrorism on the part of Communists. So you’re strongly opposed to the murder and terrorism that has been part and parcel of every major communist regime, and you’re also strongly opposed to the racism and murder and terrorism perpetrated by Nazis. Then why is your behavior toward the two groups like night and day? As I said, people can come onto this board and argue in favor of communism and the only result is a discussion as to its merit, but let someone come on and argue positively about Nazism and the roof would be blown off this place. Still, your lip service to the issue is duly noted. What is it you people say about the Islamic terrorist threat in the U.S., that more people are killed by lightening or some such? Then why are 5 deaths a year that are attributable to Nazis/white supremacists justification for the nationwide uproar over and violence currently focused on Nazi demonstrators? > [@Kimstu](#): > > But when it comes to domestic terrorism in the US these days, the fact is that it’s not Communists going on murder sprees in the name of their violent ideology. It’s Nazis, and their fellow far-right extremists espousing Nazi-like beliefs. Five people a year in different places by different people is a murder spree? > [@Kimstu](#): > > Yep. Namely, there are quite a few neo-Nazis and Nazi-tolerant people in the US, and they voted for him. Yeah, and there are lots of robbers and rapists and drug dealers who voted for Hillary. So what? All sorts of cruel and dangerous people vote for every candidate. You know as well as I do that Trump is no more responsible for the Nazis’ behavior than Hillary Clinton is for those who voted for her, and on top of that I’d wager quite a bit that the number of cruel and dangerous criminal types in her constituency dwarf the number of white supremacists and Nazis in Trump’s. So what conclusion are we to draw about Hillary and her supporters from that, and what do they tell us about how we are to view Trump’s supporters and Republicans in general? ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2017, 9:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-prefer-jefferson-davis-as-president-to-barack-obama/794487/66 "2017-08-24T09:27:00Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > We would have preferred a one-legged leper over Obama. It’s interesting that you choose physical characteristics for your comparison rather than things like experience, intelligence, and moral values. Conservatives voting based on physical characteristics. Who woulda thought… ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2017, 9:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-prefer-jefferson-davis-as-president-to-barack-obama/794487/67 "2017-08-24T09:30:11Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > So roughly 5 people a year in a country of 350 million? Um, losing an average of a few people per year to domestic terrorism in a country of 350 million is generally, and rightly, considered rather a big deal when the terrorists in question are radical Islamist extremists. I see absolutely no reason why we shouldn’t also consider it rather a big deal when the terrorists in question are white neo-Nazis. > [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Again, all this rabble-rousing over Nazism is politically driven rather than by the actual threat it presents _Note to self: **Starving Artist** asserts that outrage over domestic terror killings is “politically driven” “rabble-rousing” disproportionate to “actual threat it presents”. Confidently await similar measured response from this quarter the next time some Daesh-wannabe Muslim carries out terror killings on US soil._ [QUOTE=Starving Artist] As I said, people can come onto this board and argue in favor of communism and the only result is a discussion as to its merit [/quote] Cite? Where is an instance of a self-identified communist supporter on these boards advocating for genocide, ethnic cleansing, and legally enforced racism in the name of communism? Because let’s not forget, **those are things that Nazis and their white-supremacist allies literally, earnestly advocate**. The reason that people are, rightly, upset about Nazis is the same that people are, rightly, upset about ISIS/Daesh-style radical Islamist extremism: namely, because both are explicitly terroristic oppressive ideologies. [QUOTE=Starving Artist] What is it you people say about the Islamic terrorist threat in the U.S., that more people are killed by lightening or some such? [/quote] Yes. But that’s an argument for not treating **all** Muslims as though they must be radical-Islamist extremist terrorists (because most of them aren’t). **It is not in any way claiming that we shouldn’t oppose and resist the comparatively few who actually are radical-Islamist extremist terrorists.** What this current “nationwide uproar” is about is opposing and resisting the homegrown white Americans who **actually are** Nazis, who, like the violent Daesh extremists, are seriously advocating for an explicitly terroristic oppressive ideology. [QUOTE=Starving Artist] Yeah, and there are lots of robbers and rapists and drug dealers who voted for Hillary. So what? All sorts of cruel and dangerous people vote for every candidate. You know as well as I do that Trump is no more responsible for the Nazis’ behavior than Hillary Clinton is for those who voted for her [/quote] Hey, if Clinton were out there in public saying that there were lots of good people joining robbers and rapists in committing robbery and rape sprees, and we have to remember that some of the robbery and rape victims were asking for trouble and there was bad behavior “on many sides”, I’d be loudly condemning her too. That sort of excusing-and-deflecting rhetoric is absolutely an encouragement to evil acts. Fortunately, Clinton has both sufficient human decency and sufficient political acumen to avoid making such terrible remarks. So, much as it may disappoint you, you can’t really manage to make this about Hillary. [QUOTE=Starving Artist] and on top of that I’d wager quite a bit that the number of cruel and dangerous criminal types in her constituency dwarf the number of white supremacists and Nazis in Trump’s. [/quote] :dubious: Hmmm, and you would wager that because… why, exactly? Give us a hint: what does this alleged “cruel and dangerous criminal types” constituency look like? Complexion-wise, say? (Note, by the way, that [a recent poll finds that a whopping 9% of Americans—about 22 million people—consider it acceptable to hold Nazi/white supremacist views](http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-neo-nazi-support-american-public-charlottesville-white-supremacists-kkk-far-right-poll-a7907091.html). So you may want to rethink your claim that the Nazi/white supremacist Trump supporters are “dwarfed” in number by Clinton supporters who are **literally cruel and dangerous criminals**. Sheesh, dude, the **entire prison population** of the US is under 3 million people, and even adding in everybody on probation or parole doesn’t get you up to 10 million.) ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2017, 9:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-prefer-jefferson-davis-as-president-to-barack-obama/794487/68 "2017-08-24T09:47:10Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > This is complete nonsense. We’re talking about Nazis for god’s sake. Ku Klux Klansmen. These people are deplorables. They have nothing to be proud of. > > The Democrats should not be sucking up to these people. But here’s the kicker - the Republicans shouldn’t be sucking up to these people either. These people should have no political voice. > > Is this what Republicans want? Do you really want to be the party that includes Nazis and Klansmen? If child molesters voted for you, would you defend child molesting? How low will you guys go for votes? Uhhh, how many votes we talking about? ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2017, 9:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-prefer-jefferson-davis-as-president-to-barack-obama/794487/69 "2017-08-24T09:51:56Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Perhaps disagree with their views, don’t pander to them, but **also don’t go out of your way to insult them?** Oh, it’s no trouble at all, we were going that way anyway. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2017, 10:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-prefer-jefferson-davis-as-president-to-barack-obama/794487/70 "2017-08-24T10:02:55Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > Oh, it’s no trouble at all, we were going that way anyway. This is awesome. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2017, 10:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-prefer-jefferson-davis-as-president-to-barack-obama/794487/71 "2017-08-24T10:18:09Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > I’ve got big, big news for you. Reasonable men of good will can and often do disagree as to the best solution to a problem. The fact that their solution isn’t compatible with yours does not mean they are evil or horrible people. Oftentimes they find your solution to create more and worse problems than they solve, and for that reason they favor a solution that does not create those problems, or at least causes fewer problems. Again, this does not make them horrible people in any sort of factual sense. > > Disclaimer: I am not a Trump voter! It’d be wonderful if you applied this to your own statements about liberals, anti-racists, and others you disagreed with. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2017, 10:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-prefer-jefferson-davis-as-president-to-barack-obama/794487/72 "2017-08-24T10:30:31Z")
One has to admire **SA** ’s “I may have been completely wrong about Nazis not killing people in America but HEY LOOK OVER THERE HILLARY” approach. It’s adorable how he thinks that’s fooling anyone. > [@Kimstu](#): > > Hey, if Clinton were out there in public saying that there were lots of good people joining robbers and rapists in committing robbery and rape sprees, and we have to remember that some of the robbery and rape victims were asking for trouble and there was bad behavior “on many sides”, I’d be loudly condemning her too. Besides, it’s the [Republicans who traditionally go out of their way to excuse rape](https://goprapeadvisorychart.com/)and [persecute victims](https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/texas-bans-all-insurance-coverage-for-abortions-forcing-women-to-take-out-rape-insurance-a3612906.html). > [@](#): > > That sort of excusing-and-deflecting rhetoric is absolutely an encouragement to evil acts. Ain’t it just. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2017, 11:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-prefer-jefferson-davis-as-president-to-barack-obama/794487/73 "2017-08-24T11:15:01Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Live and don’t learn, that’s the motto! I’ll admit I’m somewhat at a loss as to what message we should take away from this election. “Don’t insult people”? But Trump basically did nothing _but_ insult people, and he won handily! “Don’t practice identity politics”? Trump’s victory in no small part depended on white identity politics, that doesn’t seem to work either. “Don’t talk about policy”? Well, that one actually makes some sense, I suppose, Clinton spent ages on policy and nobody liked her. “Be terrible in a lot of different ways so the media can’t craft a coherent narrative about you”? This one also holds up; every time you heard about Trump it was some new thing so there was never a clear through-line, whereas every time you heard about Clinton it was that goddamn email server so there was a clear narrative to go after. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2017, 12:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-prefer-jefferson-davis-as-president-to-barack-obama/794487/74 "2017-08-24T12:00:56Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > I’ll admit I’m somewhat at a loss as to what message we should take away from this election. “Don’t insult people”? But Trump basically did nothing _but_ insult people, and he won handily! “Don’t practice identity politics”? Trump’s victory in no small part depended on white identity politics, that doesn’t seem to work either. “Don’t talk about policy”? Well, that one actually makes some sense, I suppose, Clinton spent ages on policy and nobody liked her. “Be terrible in a lot of different ways so the media can’t craft a coherent narrative about you”? This one also holds up; every time you heard about Trump it was some new thing so there was never a clear through-line, whereas every time you heard about Clinton it was that goddamn email server so there was a clear narrative to go after. The message is that hatred, divisiveness and lying works politically for the right but not for the left. Contrary to the assertions of some, Trump insulted vast swathes of people, not just individuals, and his followers cheered him on. Clinton was careful to qualify her statement about “deplorables” to single out the white supremacist following Trump had (entirely accurately), and she was accused of calling all Trump supporters deplorable (entirely inaccurately). There were people literally marching in the street calling for the persecution, subjugation and/or death of millions of Americans and yet we’re told the Democrats shouldn’t say bad things against those people or else they won’t vote for them. The converse being that the Republicans are perfectly happy to cater to such folk in order to gain their votes. That doesn’t mean that all (or even most) Republicans are Nazis but right now there are an awful lot of them who are expending a lot of effort to defend those Nazis. It’s so very kind of Republicans to continue to suggest that “if only Democrats had been a little nicer Clinton would have won”, but with every shovelful they add that pile of bullshit gets higher. If anything, the evidence shows that Democrats need to get a lot angrier. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2017, 1:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-prefer-jefferson-davis-as-president-to-barack-obama/794487/75 "2017-08-24T13:02:13Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Did the poll offer any kind of control question to drop the responses of people who didn’t know who Jefferson Davis was? > > November 2016 called. It wants to know why its lesson about insulting the voter base hasn’t sunk in yet. It depends. I think the main lesson of November 2016 is that you can’t win a race by talking about how bad the other candidate is and you have to occasionally talk to and visit people you might not feel comfortable with – that’s where Hillary and frankly the DNC has gone wrong for the better part of a decade. That, and the fact that they really haven’t articulated anything that the mainstream of society might find different and appealing. Bernie Sanders at least had medicare for all and the fight for $15, but the DNC as a whole seems lukewarm to anything like that. But if you’re saying that the DNC is going to win with moral ambiguity, I’ll have to disagree with you on that one. Moral issues win elections. The right wins elections by driving out crusaders against abortion, gays, and drugs. The left can win elections by bringing out people who fight for the rights of people. But in both cases, neither party wins only by talking about these issues. There has to be some talk about getting the rent paid and food on the table in plain speak that everyone can understand. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2017, 1:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-prefer-jefferson-davis-as-president-to-barack-obama/794487/76 "2017-08-24T13:22:26Z")
I don’t see that these types of polls do much other than grab headlines. These people hate Obama, and this is just another way of saying that. But, of course, we already knew that. Remember the Obama = anti-Christ polls? I don’t accept that it means those people wish to bring back chattel slavery to the US, unless the poll asks that question explicitly. Regardless of how much people “know” about Davis, he’s a dead, hypothetical “candidate” compared to Obama, who is a known quantity. Yes, the reaction that many (most?) of these people have to Obama is largely irrational. But again, we already knew that. It’s a troll poll, and we shouldn’t feed it. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2017, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-prefer-jefferson-davis-as-president-to-barack-obama/794487/77 "2017-08-24T13:27:50Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > I don’t accept that it means those people wish to bring back chattel slavery to the US Has anybody here suggested that it does? I made a remark about the poll results indicating that Trump voters would prefer an actual defender of black chattel slavery for President over Barack Obama. Which is true. But that doesn’t mean, nor did I claim, that bringing back chattel slavery in itself is necessarily a personal policy goal for those who expressed that preference. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2017, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-prefer-jefferson-davis-as-president-to-barack-obama/794487/78 "2017-08-24T14:01:14Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > So, you genuinely don’t understand how mocking an individual’s disabilities is insulting to everyone who shares that disability? Really? > > Honestly, I find that difficult to believe. No, no – I get that. But you don’t: Trump’s mocking was insulting to everyone who shares that disability, with a leavening of cover in which he could claim it was taregted at one guy. How many people is that? Let’s add in the people who don’t share the disability but recognize the bullying for what it was. How many was that? However many it was, Trump didn’t need their votes to win. Clinton’s insult covered 62,984,825 people. She needed some of them to vote for her in order to win. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2017, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-prefer-jefferson-davis-as-president-to-barack-obama/794487/79 "2017-08-24T14:02:19Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > No, no – I get that. But you don’t: Trump’s mocking was insulting to everyone who shares that disability, with a leavening of cover in which he could claim it was taregted at one guy. How many people is that? Let’s add in the people who don’t share the disability but recognize the bullying for what it was. How many was that? However many it was, Trump didn’t need their votes to win. > > Clinton’s insult covered 62,984,825 people. She needed some of them to vote for her in order to win. Clinton’s comment only covered half of them. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2017, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-prefer-jefferson-davis-as-president-to-barack-obama/794487/80 "2017-08-24T14:02:34Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > If I have to make a choice between losing elections and embracing Nazism, I’d rather lose the elections. What if you have to make a choice between losing elections and not insulting every single person who might lean towards supporting your opponent [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-prefer-jefferson-davis-as-president-to-barack-obama/794487.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-prefer-jefferson-davis-as-president-to-barack-obama/794487.md?page=5)