# Trump voters prefer Jefferson Davis as president to Barack Obama **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 23, 2017, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-prefer-jefferson-davis-as-president-to-barack-obama/794487 "2017-08-23T21:33:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2017, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-prefer-jefferson-davis-as-president-to-barack-obama/794487/81 "2017-08-24T14:03:37Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Clinton’s insult covered 62,984,825 people. She needed some of them to vote for her in order to win. Bullshit. Trump and co. would love to characterize it as such, but that is not what happened and that is not what she said. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2017, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-prefer-jefferson-davis-as-president-to-barack-obama/794487/82 "2017-08-24T14:06:58Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Were the killing of innocent people truly the engine of left-wing opposition to Nazism, why is it so silent about Communism… Because killing innocent people is not a primary tenet of communism. It’s just an unfortunate practical side effect. Also communists don’t hold rallies in the US for people to get upset about. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2017, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-prefer-jefferson-davis-as-president-to-barack-obama/794487/83 "2017-08-24T14:12:49Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Clinton was careful to qualify her statement about “deplorables” to single out the white supremacist following Trump had (entirely accurately), and she was accused of calling all Trump supporters deplorable (entirely inaccurately). She said that roughly half of Trump’s supporters were simply misguided people desperate for change, and the other half were the basket of deplorables, which included not only white supremacists but also sexists, homophobes, and xenophobes. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2017, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-prefer-jefferson-davis-as-president-to-barack-obama/794487/84 "2017-08-24T14:15:13Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > No, no – I get that. But you don’t: Trump’s mocking was insulting to everyone who shares that disability, with a leavening of cover in which he could claim it was taregted at one guy. How many people is that? Let’s add in the people who don’t share the disability but recognize the bullying for what it was. How many was that? However many it was, Trump didn’t need their votes to win. > > Clinton’s insult covered 62,984,825 people. She needed some of them to vote for her in order to win. No, no, I get it - Trump insulted the disabled, poor people, immigrants, Hispanics, Muslims, women, blacks, the US intelligence services, the media, the uneducated and his own supporters and that was fine because he never stopped lying and insulting people long enough to get a bead on him. Clinton’s mistake was that she was too specific and limited in scope. If she’d insulted a new group every other day she’d have taken much less damage for the remarks. It’s the same way that Trump could tell a lie every three minutes on average during the debates BUT HER EMAILS. Really, **Bricker** , I’m sure the DNC greatly appreciate your advice on how they’d fight so much better with their hands tied behind their backs, but no one is buying it. > [@Bricker](#): > > She said that roughly half of Trump’s supporters were simply misguided people desperate for change, and the other half were the basket of deplorables, which included not only white supremacists but also sexists, homophobes, and xenophobes. And she turned out to be right. Funny, that. ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2017, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-prefer-jefferson-davis-as-president-to-barack-obama/794487/85 "2017-08-24T14:17:25Z")
I think a big part of it wasn’t the insult, it was who was saying it and how it was delivered. A _deplorables_ line might’ve been endearing coming from Bernie _(“Oh, look, Gramps is telling the rednecks to get off his lawn…”)_ or even a great zinger coming from Biden\* (“Hey, Uncle Joe, good one! Insult us again!”)\*. From Hillary it felt like a dismissive slam from a prissy, entitled woman who was assuming she could say anything because she deserved to be swept into office in a landslide. And like most of her comments, it was delivered in an annoying tone of voice. I voted for her, but I’m grateful I don’t have to listen to her every day. Of course, Donald is worse, which is why the mute button on my remote is worn down. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2017, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-prefer-jefferson-davis-as-president-to-barack-obama/794487/86 "2017-08-24T14:17:50Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > What if you have to make a choice between losing elections and not insulting every single person who might lean towards supporting your opponent Then run as a Republican - you can insult every single person who might lean towards supporting your opponent (or just throw up as many obstacles to voting as possible for them) and still win. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2017, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-prefer-jefferson-davis-as-president-to-barack-obama/794487/87 "2017-08-24T14:18:07Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > Bullshit. Trump and co. would love to characterize it as such, but that is not what happened and that is not what she said. No, true shit. Her insult covered Trump supporters, calling half of them phobic and the other half so desperate for change they’d support a racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic campaign. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2017, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-prefer-jefferson-davis-as-president-to-barack-obama/794487/88 "2017-08-24T14:20:05Z")
…which, if so, turned out to be true. As I said: I guess she should have lied more. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2017, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-prefer-jefferson-davis-as-president-to-barack-obama/794487/89 "2017-08-24T14:21:49Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > And she turned out to be right. Funny, that. “I’d rather be right than be president." - Henry Clay, 1838 and Hilary Clinton, 2016 And **Gyrate** , 2017 And the Democratic Presidential candidate in 2020? What should his or her quote be? Same one? ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2017, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-prefer-jefferson-davis-as-president-to-barack-obama/794487/90 "2017-08-24T14:34:47Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Then run as a Republican - you can insult every single person who might lean towards supporting your opponent (or just throw up as many obstacles to voting as possible for them) and still win. This. If insulting your opponents actually made a politician unelectable, Trump wouldn’t even have got within smelling distance of the Republican nomination. > [@Bricker](#): > > And the Democratic Presidential candidate in 2020? What should his or her quote be? How about “Well, you folks already fell for _I’ll make Mexico pay for the wall_ and _I’ll bring back the good jobs_ and _I’ll lock her up_ and _I’ll get a much better healthcare plan_ and _I’ll make great trade deals_. What pandering lies do you want to hear this time?” ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2017, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-prefer-jefferson-davis-as-president-to-barack-obama/794487/91 "2017-08-24T14:47:48Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > “I’d rather be right than be president." - Henry Clay, 1838 > > and Hilary Clinton, 2016 > > And **Gyrate** , 2017 > > And the Democratic Presidential candidate in 2020? What should his or her quote be? Same one? “The end justifies the means.” - quite a lot of extremely bad people over history. And **Bricker**. Lying? Just fine. Voter suppression? Anything goes as long as the courts don’t overrule it (eventually). Collusion with foreign governments? Well, actually - hey, what about that thing Hillary said? It’s all good as long as the Republicans win, no matter the consequences to the country. But the Democrats have to fight fair, even if the GOP are wearing brass knuckles, or else it’s all their own fault. And that’s why liberals are hypocrites. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2017, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-prefer-jefferson-davis-as-president-to-barack-obama/794487/92 "2017-08-24T15:30:40Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > True, but since we still live in a democracy as far as I can tell, their views get representation proportionate to their voting numbers. So there really is no alternative to changing minds. Well, there is one: while you’ve been trying to drive these people out of respectable society, you forgot to abolish secret voting. So maybe the “drive them into the shadows” campaign didn’t get the results you were looking for. > > Or you can just abolish secret ballots and make everyone publicly stand by their vote. That would probably work too. I would stand by mine. Not a problem. I have nothing to be ashamed of in my voting record. I don’t vote for racists and fascists and dominionists. But I’m just as likely to say “none of your business” just to piss people off. As far as votes / voting numbers being equally representative, obviously they are not, since s"ome alt-righter in some desolate prairie shit-hole’s" vote counts for more than mine, thanks to the electoral college. Clinton won the popular vote (and it eats at Loser Dump constantly), but she still lost. So much for EQUAL value of all votes. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2017, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-prefer-jefferson-davis-as-president-to-barack-obama/794487/93 "2017-08-24T15:33:26Z")
> [@Chisquirrel](#): > > Snowflakes gonna snowflake. Yeah. They LOVE to throw insults, bragging on how they hate PC, but just give it back to them and they whine like spoiled 2 year olds. Losers. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2017, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-prefer-jefferson-davis-as-president-to-barack-obama/794487/94 "2017-08-24T15:37:13Z")
> [@madmonk28](#): > > This is awesome. Indeed, it IS. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2017, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-prefer-jefferson-davis-as-president-to-barack-obama/794487/95 "2017-08-24T15:38:21Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > How about “Well, you folks already fell for _I’ll make Mexico pay for the wall_ and _I’ll bring back the good jobs_ and _I’ll lock her up_ and _I’ll get a much better healthcare plan_ and _I’ll make great trade deals_. What pandering lies do you want to hear this time?” And do you think that will help elect the candidate who says those words? ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2017, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-prefer-jefferson-davis-as-president-to-barack-obama/794487/96 "2017-08-24T15:38:46Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > No, true shit. Her insult covered Trump supporters, calling half of them **phobic** and the other half so desperate for change **they’d support a racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic campaign**. And she was RIGHT. They are Deplorables. And now they are enabling and supporting NAZIs. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2017, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-prefer-jefferson-davis-as-president-to-barack-obama/794487/97 "2017-08-24T15:39:50Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > And do you think that will help elect the candidate who says those words? Those words and promises worked. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2017, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-prefer-jefferson-davis-as-president-to-barack-obama/794487/98 "2017-08-24T15:40:59Z")
Remember, you’re telling that to a guy who flatters himself to be a good Christian. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2017, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-prefer-jefferson-davis-as-president-to-barack-obama/794487/99 "2017-08-24T15:41:52Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > “The end justifies the means.” - quite a lot of extremely bad people over history. And **Bricker**. > > Lying? Just fine. Voter suppression? Anything goes as long as the courts don’t overrule it (eventually). Collusion with foreign governments? Well, actually - hey, what about that thing Hillary said? It’s all good as long as the Republicans win, no matter the consequences to the country. But the Democrats have to fight fair, even if the GOP are wearing brass knuckles, or else it’s all their own fault. > > And that’s why liberals are hypocrites. Do you see any path by which a candidate can get elected and tell (substantially) the truth, while not insulting the bulk of his opposition’s voters? In my view, Obama did it. So I disagree with your apparent view that it’s not possible. Why would you not endorse his path – the guy that won – and stop praising the path used by the candidate that failed to win? ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2017, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-prefer-jefferson-davis-as-president-to-barack-obama/794487/100 "2017-08-24T15:51:23Z")
Here’s the full Clinton deplorables quote. > [@](#): > > I know there are only 60 days left to make our case – and don’t get complacent, don’t see the latest outrageous, offensive, inappropriate comment and think, well, he’s done this time. We are living in a volatile political environment. You know, to just be grossly generalistic, you could put half of Trump’s supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables. Right? The racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic – you name it. And unfortunately there are people like that. And he has lifted them up. He has given voice to their websites that used to only have 11,000 people – now 11 million. He tweets and retweets their offensive hateful mean-spirited rhetoric. Now, some of those folks – they are irredeemable, but thankfully they are not America. > > But the other basket – and I know this because I see friends from all over America here – I see friends from Florida and Georgia and South Carolina and Texas – as well as, you know, New York and California – but that other basket of people are people who feel that the government has let them down, the economy has let them down, nobody cares about them, nobody worries about what happens to their lives and their futures, and they’re just desperate for change. It doesn’t really even matter where it comes from. They don’t buy everything he says, but he seems to hold out some hope that their lives will be different. They won’t wake up and see their jobs disappear, lose a kid to heroin, feel like they’re in a dead-end. Those are people we have to understand and empathize with as well. This is certainly not intended to be insulting to every Trump voter, but I don’t even see how it could be interpreted as insulting every Trump voter. There are many Trump voters who would say that they voted for Trump because, “the government has let them down, the economy has let them down, nobody cares about them, nobody worries about what happens to their lives and their futures, and they’re just desperate for change,” or some set of reasons that is reasonably close to that. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-prefer-jefferson-davis-as-president-to-barack-obama/794487.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-prefer-jefferson-davis-as-president-to-barack-obama/794487.md?page=6)