# Trump vs Clinton in the General Election **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [May 17, 2016, 1:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-clinton-in-the-general-election/754989 "2016-05-17T13:19:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2016, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-clinton-in-the-general-election/754989/202 "2016-05-22T15:07:10Z")
> [@coremelt](#): > > I don’t agree it’s too late. Bernie is playing Brinkmanship to get as much as he can, that’s just part of politics. Except he can’t get anything but control of the platform committee, and that’s meaningless. He hasn’t shown much real aptitude for politics as you accurate describe it over the years, has he? > [@](#): > > He can mollify most of his supporters by keeping his campaign apparatus around and transforming it into progressive lobbying group. He can also point out that they can achieve a lot more working with the system than tearing it down like some of the Trump supporters want to do. Or he can keep doing what he’s been doing. > [@](#): > > At the end of the day he knows how much damage a Trump Presidency would do. The question is how much longer he’s going to let his own ego override that concern. He used to talk that way, granted, but not recently. ---
**Author:** ![ATLHawk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/94ad74/32.png) [@ATLHawk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ATLHawk)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2016, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-clinton-in-the-general-election/754989/203 "2016-05-22T15:07:56Z")
> [@Enola\_Gay](#): > > I would love to hear from a Sanders supporter who would vote for Trump over Hilary. I can’t imagine 2 candidates who are more opposite. Is it just that they want to vote anti-establishment regardless of the candidates policies? They don’t like her involvement with Wall Street. They don’t like her because she represents the establishment. Go visit his subreddit if you want to learn the opinion of his supporters. Over 234,000 participants. [Here is a good thread to show you the mindset of the Bernie Sanders supporters right now](https://www.reddit.com/r/SandersForPresident/comments/4kgo9l/king_heres_why_im_leaving_the_democratic_party/). ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2016, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-clinton-in-the-general-election/754989/204 "2016-05-22T15:08:43Z")
> [@ATLHawk](#): > > Oh, he’s going to the convention alright. And he’s going to give a speech. Prime time or not? Inside or outside the building? And constructive or ego-driven? ---
**Author:** ![coremelt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4491bb/32.png) [@coremelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/coremelt)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2016, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-clinton-in-the-general-election/754989/205 "2016-05-22T15:12:41Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > The question is how much longer he’s going to let his own ego override that concern. He used to talk that way, granted, but not recently. I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt that rather than his ego, it’s because he genuinely cares about the issues involved. Also as others have said Clinton still hadn’t conceded at this stage in 2008 despite also having no path to victory. Bernie may get some concessions of electoral reform in the delegate process as promise to buy his endorsement. I’m assuming that behind closed doors various discussions are taking place. ---
**Author:** ![ATLHawk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/94ad74/32.png) [@ATLHawk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ATLHawk)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2016, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-clinton-in-the-general-election/754989/206 "2016-05-22T15:15:24Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Prime time or not? Inside or outside the building? And constructive or ego-driven? [QUOTE=New York Times] Advisers to Mr. Sanders said on Wednesday that he was newly resolved to remain in the race, seeing an aggressive campaign as his only chance to pressure Democrats into making fundamental changes to how presidential primaries and debates are held in the future. They said he also held out hope of capitalizing on any late stumbles by Mrs. Clinton or any damage to her candidacy, whether by scandal or by the presumptive Republican nominee, Donald J. Trump. [/QUOTE] [Source](http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/19/us/politics/bernie-sanderss-campaign-accuses-head-of-dnc-of-favoritism.html?_r=0). Bernie and his supporters aren’t going anywhere anytime soon. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2016, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-clinton-in-the-general-election/754989/207 "2016-05-22T15:21:36Z")
For all the worst reasons, too. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2016, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-clinton-in-the-general-election/754989/208 "2016-05-22T15:27:11Z")
> [@coremelt](#): > > I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt that rather than his ego, it’s because he genuinely cares about the issues involved. Then he wouldn’t be actively trying to damage the nominee who can help make some of it happen. > [@](#): > > Also as others have said Clinton still hadn’t conceded at this stage in 2008 despite also having no path to victory. Wrong. It was still realistically possible for her then, and she did concede the day that was no longer true. That point is long past for Sanders. > [@](#): > > Bernie may get some concessions of electoral reform in the delegate process as promise to buy his endorsement. Would that include changing some, or all, of those inane caucuses, that have provided the bulk of his delegates, to much-more-democratic primaries? Or are we talking some sort of affirmative action program for future dilettantes and ideologues? > [@](#): > > I’m assuming that behind closed doors various discussions are taking place. Sure. But no agreements reached there need to last any longer than the next news cycle. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2016, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-clinton-in-the-general-election/754989/209 "2016-05-22T15:29:43Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > For all the worst reasons, too. So the question is if Clinton can do anything about it besides praying people eventually realize how scary Trump is. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2016, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-clinton-in-the-general-election/754989/210 "2016-05-22T18:15:27Z")
There is no question that _right now_ we are seeing the impact of the GOP circling their wagons even if some are reluctantly doing so, while the Sanders camp is still in full attack posture mode. It always bear repeating that Clinton not only still had a realistic path to winning up until the very end but that [her own rhetoric](http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/DemocraticDebate/story?id=4670271) was very measured wrapped in the big picture from a point much earlier than this. > [@Hillary Clinton in the April 16](#): > > I’m going to do everything I possibly can to make sure that one of us takes the oath of office next January. I think that has to be the overriding goal, whatever we have to do. > > Obviously, we are still contesting to determine who will be the nominee. But once that is resolved, I think it is absolutely imperative that our entire party close ranks. That we become unified. I will do everything to make sure that the people who supported me support our nominee. I will go anywhere in the country to make the case. > > And I know that Barack feels the same way because both of us have spent 15 months traveling our country. I have seen the damage of the Bush years. I’ve seen the extraordinary pain that people have suffered from because of the failed policies. You know, those who have held my hands who’ve lost sons or daughters in Iraq. And those who have lost sons or daughters because they didn’t have health insurance. > > And so, regardless of the differences there may be between us, and there are differences, they pale in comparison to the differences between us and Senator McCain. So, we will certainly do whatever is necessary to make sure that a Democrat is in the White House next January. … > > \ … CLINTON: Well, I think we have to beat John McCain, and I have every reason to believe we’re going to have a Democratic president and it’s going to be either Barack or me. And we’re going to make that happen. > > And what is important is that we understand exactly the challenges facing us in order to defeat Senator McCain. > > He will be a formidable candidate; there isn’t any doubt about that. He has a great American story to tell. He’s a man who has served our country with distinction over many years, but he has the wrong ideas about America, and those ideas will be tested in the caldron of this campaign. > > But I also know, having now gone through 16 years of being on the receiving end of what the Republican Party dishes out, how important it is that we try to go after every single vote, everywhere we possibly can, to get to those electoral votes that we’re going to need to have the next president elected. > > STEPHANOPOULOS: But the question is: Do you think Senator Obama can do that? Can he win? > > CLINTON: Yes, yes, yes. Now, I think that I can do a better job. > > (LAUGHTER) > > I mean, obviously, that’s why I’m here. … So really the claims that Clinton did the same thing are very specious. Dang if only Sanders was taking that as their main tact instead of being sore losers who keeping whining about imagined bad calls and bad field conditions But right now we do see the peak of the divisive attack posture from Team Sanders and the most let’s all join forces on the Trump side. I am hoping the damage from that can be contained as Sanders, hopefully sooner rather than later, pivots. The longer it goes though, the more the damage, and the harder it is to undo. Clinton must be able to focus on the general election from here out. Clinton can only do so much about the bleed to the general election being caused by Sanders continued biting her ankles. Personally she has to ignore it and let it speak for itself. If Sanders does not pivot and postures to making unreasonable … requests … for his real best efforts at working together … then her only option is publically reject the portions that she feels are too extreme, and hope for the best that loss of some of those who could have been won with Sanders solid working on the team’s behalf will be offset by those who that action appeals to as a sign of strength, resolve, confidence, and to whom burning down the building appeals little, those who see the structure of our system as sound but that we need to get to work replacing some of its pipes, and fixing the cracks in the foundation. Seriously that is the message she needs to be able to send: America _is_ great. And it can still be much better. The last eight years have seen an economy in freefall turned around, a world pulled off the brink of economic collapse. Much progress was thwarted by obstructionism in Congress, the same obstructionism that we see illustrated currently by the Senate refusing to even give a hearing to a SCOTUS nominee, playing games, holding the work of the Court hostage for some hope of partisan gain. We must toss out the obstructionist Congress, and get to the serious work of fixing what needs to be fixed so we can be even better than we are. Clinton is simply the best person running to get that serious work done. ---
**Author:** ![Hank\_Beecher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hank_beecher/32/7275_2.png) [@Hank\_Beecher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hank_Beecher)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2016, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-clinton-in-the-general-election/754989/211 "2016-05-22T18:24:40Z")
[Trump secures nomination and quickly closes polling gap with Clinton.](http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html) ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2016, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-clinton-in-the-general-election/754989/212 "2016-05-23T00:07:19Z")
> [@ATLHawk](#): > > From [Breitbert](http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2015/08/08/illegal-alien-crime-accounts-for-over-30-of-murders-in-some-states/) (yes, I know, Breitbart - but they do cite): > Between 2008 and 2014, 40% of all murder convictions in Florida were criminal aliens. In New York it was 34% and Arizona 17.8%. > > •During those years, criminal aliens accounted for 38% of all murder convictions in the five states of California, Texas, Arizona, Florida and New York, while illegal aliens constitute only 5.6% of the total population in those states. > > •That 38% represents 7,085 murders out of the total of 18,643. > > That 5.6% figure for the average illegal alien population in those five states comes from US Census estimates. We know the real number is double that official estimate. Yet, even if it is 11%, it is still shameful that the percentage of murders by criminal aliens is more than triple the illegal population in those states. > > Those astounding numbers were compiled by the Government Accountability Office (GAO) using official Department of Justice data on criminal aliens in the nation’s correctional system. You should have stopped at Britebart. From [Politifact](http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/aug/17/tom-tancredo/tancredo-muffs-illegal-immigrant-murder-stats/): (Note: Tom Tancredo wrote the Brietbart article, and he based it on statistics obtained from a presentation by James Simpson at the Center for Security Policy) > [@](#): > > There are serious glitches in his claim. He botches the takeaway of the presentation, which has plenty of issues on its own… > > The first thing that jumped out was Tancredo mangled the dates. He said “criminal aliens” accounted for 38 percent of murder convictions in five states between 2008 and 2014. In fact, the presentation offered numbers for 2005 to 2008. > > That’s not the only issue. The presentation’s author, James Simpson, told us he had emailed Breitbart about Tancredo’s use of his presentation. “(Tancredo) quoted the whole thing incorrectly,” Simpson told PunditFact. > > Our research found that even if Tancredo had quoted the presentation as it was given, there would still be plenty of concern about its accuracy… > > Texas appears to be the only one of the five states that actually keeps track of convictions of criminal aliens. The “criminal aliens” label applies to noncitizens who have either legal or illegal immigration status. (It is incorrect to consider all of them as illegal immigrants.)… > > The Texas Department of Public Safety continuously updates its tally of criminal aliens booked into local jails, tracking the charges filed and whether the person was convicted. The agency’s latest report covers June 1, 2011, to July 31, 2015. In that time, 344 noncitizens were convicted of homicide. In about the same period, Texas had 4,571 murders. (There’s a difference between calendar and fiscal years, but as of this writing, the differences balance out.) So based on counts of actual cases, criminal aliens account for 7.5 percent of all homicides in Texas. That figure is striking because it is one-fifth as large as the number Simpson gave in his presentation. Simpson said, “Illegal aliens have committed 35 percent of all murders in Texas since 2008.” > > Simpson told us he had not seen the official Texas report. He had relied solely on an article for PJ Media… > > The numbers from the U.S. Government Accountability Office, a widely respected source, are also imprecise — which is obvious from all of the report’s cautionary notes… > > The researchers detailed a host of caveats: At the state level, it’s possible that some people are counted twice if, for example, they are first kept at a county jail and are then transferred to a state prison. And the margin of error for the overall tally of homicides, as well as other crimes, was +/- 20 percent… > > Simpson’s total of murders is about 7,085, and our estimate was much lower at 5,300-5,400. Further, in Florida, he reported three times as many killers as our estimate, and his percentage of all homicides due to criminal immigrants in Texas was about double the official number (albeit for a different time period)… > > When we asked Simpson about his figures, he said after several months of writing to the GAO, he got the actual raw numbers… > > And Simpson told us “the whole thing is difficult to understand frankly, and they couldn’t explain it very well over the phone either. I may have to go back to them for clarification.”… > > The bottom line is this: Even the man who generated the numbers, which Tancredo then misquoted, expresses uncertainty about their precision…Our ruling…We rate the claim False. ---
**Author:** ![ATLHawk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/94ad74/32.png) [@ATLHawk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ATLHawk)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2016, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-clinton-in-the-general-election/754989/213 "2016-05-23T00:54:44Z")
So it’s bad but not as bad as portrayed. Alright. ---
**Author:** ![DerekMichaels00](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f14d63/32.png) [@DerekMichaels00](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DerekMichaels00)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2016, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-clinton-in-the-general-election/754989/214 "2016-05-23T01:25:32Z")
Dems need to [listen to Bill Maher](http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/features/bill-maher-pens-blistering-essay-863493), given how Trump is polling really well on terrorism: just use the term Islamic terrorism: > [@](#): > > Let’s get clear on something: I absolutely don’t believe that we should ban all Muslims coming into this country. One, we need Muslims in the fight against Islamic terrorism. Two, it’s not American. It’s just un-American to do that, and it sacrifices who we are, and we can’t do that. But let’s not kid ourselves: A certain percentage of them will be radicalized. The more Muslims in your country, the more that is a possibility. > > So no, Donald Trump is not right — but he will win the election if the American people have to choose between his demagoguery and a party that won’t even say the words “Islamic terrorism.” _ **I think the Democrats could lose on that issue alone,** _ especially if there’s another attack. And why do I mention this: [here](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ci_tfYeW0AEFIP0.jpg) and [here](http://www.pollingreport.com/wh16.htm) ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2016, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-clinton-in-the-general-election/754989/215 "2016-05-23T01:36:17Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > Dems need to [listen to Bill Maher](http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/features/bill-maher-pens-blistering-essay-863493), given how Trump is polling really well on terrorism: just use the term Islamic terrorism: > > And why do I mention this: [here](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ci_tfYeW0AEFIP0.jpg) and [here](http://www.pollingreport.com/wh16.htm) Bill Mahrer is wrong. He may be a funny guy, right about most issues, but he’s wrong here. Uttering the words “Islamic terrorism” isn’t the Ace of Trumps that you think it is- it’s pointlessly inflammatory and offensive to our Muslim friends. ---
**Author:** ![DerekMichaels00](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f14d63/32.png) [@DerekMichaels00](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DerekMichaels00)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2016, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-clinton-in-the-general-election/754989/216 "2016-05-23T01:43:17Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > Bill Mahrer is wrong. He may be a funny guy, right about most issues, but he’s wrong here. Uttering the words “Islamic terrorism” isn’t the Ace of Trumps that you think it is- it’s pointlessly inflammatory and offensive to our Muslim friends. you don’t think that foreign Muslim leaders can’t find out about Hillary using the term in the past (which she did?) Even Obama once used the term “radical Islam,” in his Speech on Race. And even then, which would “offend” leaders of Muslim countries more; people who use the term, or people like Trump, who both use the term AND want to blanket ban Muslims coming into the country, talking pigs blood bullets, etc. Also, this notion that it would offend Muslim countries beyond belief [is misguided.](https://www.yahoo.com/news/democrats-problem-radical-islam-091643745.html?ref=gs) (and that source is no GOP/conservative one either) ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2016, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-clinton-in-the-general-election/754989/217 "2016-05-23T02:02:58Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > Dems need to [listen to Bill Maher](http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/features/bill-maher-pens-blistering-essay-863493), given how Trump is polling really well on terrorism: just use the term Islamic terrorism: > > And why do I mention this: [here](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ci_tfYeW0AEFIP0.jpg) and [here](http://www.pollingreport.com/wh16.htm) Oddly enough, in every single one of those polls, except the Faux News poll, Clinton outpolls him in dealing with terrorism. Hmm…wonder how that works out? I guess they finally got over their revulsion for Trump. ETA: I know. “Poll taken from Bill O’Reilly callers. Margin of error +/-80%.” ---
**Author:** ![DerekMichaels00](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f14d63/32.png) [@DerekMichaels00](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DerekMichaels00)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2016, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-clinton-in-the-general-election/754989/218 "2016-05-23T02:33:02Z")
> [@Johnny\_Ace](#): > > Oddly enough, in every single one of those polls, except the Faux News poll, Clinton outpolls him in dealing with terrorism. Hmm…wonder how that works out? > > I guess they finally got over their revulsion for Trump. > > ETA: I know. “Poll taken from Bill O’Reilly callers. Margin of error +/-80%.” or those numbers in the non-Fox polls are too close considering Trump has zero gov experience. ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2016, 5:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-clinton-in-the-general-election/754989/219 "2016-05-23T05:23:31Z")
> [@ATLHawk](#): > > So it’s bad but not as bad as portrayed. Alright. How do you conclude that it’s “bad”? You were presented facts that establish that illegal immigrants are fearful of disobeying laws, and are therefore less likely to commit violent crimes than average citizens, your anecdotes notwithstanding. I don’t care what the answer is, but facts matter. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2016, 5:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-clinton-in-the-general-election/754989/220 "2016-05-23T05:31:44Z")
> [@ATLHawk](#): > > So it’s bad but not as bad as portrayed. Alright. So, the guy gets charged with serial cannibalism, but it gets proved that all he ever actually did was a DUI, and you say “Well, so not quite as much a criminal as we thought”? ---
**Author:** ![Lantern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/d26b3c/32.png) [@Lantern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lantern)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2016, 5:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-clinton-in-the-general-election/754989/221 "2016-05-23T05:51:25Z")
[http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general\_election\_trump\_vs\_clinton-5491.html](http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html) The [polls](http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html)have definitely narrowed with RCP showing Trump up by 0.2 points. I suspect a fair amount of this is Bernie voters who are now saying they won’t vote for Hillary. Many of them will come back once the primary is over and Bernie presumably endorses Hillary. Obama and Warren will also help Hillary consolidate the youth vote. Predictwise is reasonably stable showing a 67% chance of a Democratic win. Hillary is a weak candidate who is disliked and distrusted by many of the voters she needs but at the end of the day Trump is an even weaker candidate. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-clinton-in-the-general-election/754989.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-clinton-in-the-general-election/754989.md?page=12)