# Trump vs Clinton in the General Election **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [May 17, 2016, 1:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-clinton-in-the-general-election/754989 "2016-05-17T13:19:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 25
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2016, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-clinton-in-the-general-election/754989/482 "2016-06-12T16:47:41Z")
> [@Johnny\_Ace](#): > > Scratch that. It only took almost four hours for Trump and his handlers to decide it was OK to tweet sympathies. > > 5:07 am > > “Really bad shooting in Orlando. Police investigating possible terrorism. Many people dead and wounded.” > > 8:45 am > > “Horrific incident in FL. Praying for all the victims & their families. When will this stop? When will we get tough, smart & vigilant?” Maybe Trump was asleep? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2016, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-clinton-in-the-general-election/754989/483 "2016-06-12T16:51:39Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Oh please. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pb-YuhFWCr4](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pb-YuhFWCr4) How about a [little context](http://www.factcheck.org/2011/01/bum-rap-for-rahm/) rather than a deliberately edited video. > [@](#): > > Paul was referring to comments that Emanuel made at a Wall Street Journal conference of corporate chief executives in November 2008, days after Barack Obama won the presidential election and in the thick of the financial crisis. (Emanuel went on to serve as Obama’s chief of staff.) Part of what Emanuel said frequently has been cited by conservatives to show that the left supposedly wants to exploit circumstances to ram its agenda through. That Emanuel quote is: “You never want a serious crisis to go to waste.” > > In context, though, Emanuel wasn’t talking about partisan gain or advancing any particular “agenda,” as Paul claimed. **Emanuel specifically urged addressing longstanding problems with “ideas from both parties” when a crisis presents the opportunity.** He used the energy crisis of the 1970s as an example of an opportunity lost: ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2016, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-clinton-in-the-general-election/754989/484 "2016-06-12T17:03:04Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Maybe Trump was asleep? And if you believe that, I have this bridge in NYC for sale. High traffic, high visibility… ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2016, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-clinton-in-the-general-election/754989/485 "2016-06-12T17:04:11Z")
> [@Johnny\_Ace](#): > > And if you believe that, I have this bridge in NYC for sale. High traffic, high visibility… 3 am is not an unusual time for one to be sleeping is it? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2016, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-clinton-in-the-general-election/754989/486 "2016-06-12T17:09:30Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > 3 am is not an unusual time for one to be sleeping is it? You mean he doesn’t want to take that phone call at 3 a.m.? ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2016, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-clinton-in-the-general-election/754989/487 "2016-06-12T17:20:18Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > You mean he doesn’t want to take that phone call at 3 a.m.? How do you know anyone was calling The Donald? This is just silly. In a country the size of the US something sad or bad is usually happening. You can’t wake someone up for every event just so they can tweet some sympathy. You think Mayor Rahm is woken up every time someone gets shot in Chiraq? ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2016, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-clinton-in-the-general-election/754989/488 "2016-06-12T17:20:56Z")
FWIW the motive seems to have been [homophobia](http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/06/12/father_of_nightclub_shooter_this_has_nothing_to_do_with_religion_son_got_angry_when_he_saw_gays_kissing.html) than religion. > [@](#): > > NBC reports on a statement from the father of Omar Mir Seddique Mateen, 29, the man who gunned down 50+ people at a gay nightclub in Orlando. The statement says “this has nothing to do with religion” and that Mateen got “angry” when he saw two gay men kissing in Miami a few weeks ago … ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2016, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-clinton-in-the-general-election/754989/489 "2016-06-12T17:24:00Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > You mean he doesn’t want to take that phone call at 3 a.m.? In fairness, I don’t think this is an event that requires waking up a President, or a candidate. He, or she, should certainly get briefed on it along with coffee. I think taking that phone call at 3 am should be reserved for things like Canada invading; things that require swift and decisive actions that only a president can order. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2016, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-clinton-in-the-general-election/754989/490 "2016-06-12T17:25:47Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > FWIW the motive seems to have been [homophobia](http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/06/12/father_of_nightclub_shooter_this_has_nothing_to_do_with_religion_son_got_angry_when_he_saw_gays_kissing.html) than religion. Okay, so an abortion clinic bombing has nothing to do with religion, it’s about hatred of abortion. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Pig](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c57346/32.png) [@Little\_Pig](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Pig)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2016, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-clinton-in-the-general-election/754989/491 "2016-06-12T17:35:38Z")
> [@Bridget\_Burke](#): > > We’ve already seen how Trump’s supporters are spinning it. > > [The _Houston Chronicle_ reports:](http://www.chron.com/news/article/Texas-Lt-Governor-Dan-Patrick-tweets-reap-what-8076147.php) > > Patrick is my states Lt Gov & a true piece of work. He was more a Cruz fan than a Trump fan, but I’m sure he’ll support His Party’s Choice. It appears that Texas Lt. Governor Dan Patrick has [repented and found the error of his ways](http://www.chron.com/news/article/Texas-Lt-Governor-Dan-Patrick-tweets-reap-what-8076147.php) regarding his initial comments about the greatest mass shooting in the U.S. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2016, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-clinton-in-the-general-election/754989/492 "2016-06-12T17:35:49Z")
> [@Johnny\_Ace](#): > > “Horrific incident in FL. Praying for all the victims & their families. When will this stop? When will we get tough, smart & vigilant?” Oh, that spins itself. **Lets change the words of Trump just little** when he pointed at Bush the lesser for 9/11: ‘The terror attack came down during the reign of [del]Lord Voldemort[/del] governor Rick Scott, That is not safe, Marco [Rubio], that is not safe…’ Why was Scott not tough, smart or vigilant? BTW I do think that Trump did use a dick move there, one can point at negligence then, but most of the blame should go to the perpetrators and how Bush reacted later (invading Iraq). We will see now how one of the best supporters of Trump (Republican governor Rick Scott) does react to this incident. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2016, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-clinton-in-the-general-election/754989/493 "2016-06-12T17:42:00Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > FWIW the motive seems to have been [homophobia](http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/06/12/father_of_nightclub_shooter_this_has_nothing_to_do_with_religion_son_got_angry_when_he_saw_gays_kissing.html) than religion. Oh. But if I understand correctly doesn’t homophobia usually stem from some sort of repressive moralistic teaching or is it an intrinsic trait? ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2016, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-clinton-in-the-general-election/754989/494 "2016-06-12T17:50:06Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Oh. But if I understand correctly doesn’t homophobia usually stem from some sort of repressive moralistic teaching or is it an intrinsic trait? IMHO more the latter than the former, the intrinsic fear and hatred of that which is different from what you accept as normative. Yes religion can institutionalize that fear and hatred and amplify it through groupthink reinforcers, but it is religion being used as a tool in service of what is more primary fear and hatred of otherness, rather than being the root cause. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2016, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-clinton-in-the-general-election/754989/495 "2016-06-12T17:51:24Z")
> [@Little\_Pig](#): > > It appears that Texas Lt. Governor Dan Patrick has [repented and found the error of his ways](http://www.chron.com/news/article/Texas-Lt-Governor-Dan-Patrick-tweets-reap-what-8076147.php) regarding his initial comments about the greatest mass shooting in the U.S. > [@](#): > > …“The post was designed and scheduled last Thursday.”… If this is so, then he is not quite as loathesome a pustule as we might have thought. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2016, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-clinton-in-the-general-election/754989/496 "2016-06-12T18:02:53Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > FWIW the motive seems to have been [homophobia](http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/06/12/father_of_nightclub_shooter_this_has_nothing_to_do_with_religion_son_got_angry_when_he_saw_gays_kissing.html) than religion. > [@adaher](#): > > Okay, so an abortion clinic bombing has nothing to do with religion, it’s about hatred of abortion. IMHO it would be dumb to dismiss either reason. It has to be clarified that I’m referring to radicalization and extreme fundamentalism and if the time line is correct on the reports I saw the homophobia appeared first on that bastard that was born in the USA, and I would not be surprised that he wanted to get a stamp of approval for his hatred and found it much later in extremism. ---
**Author:** ![DonLogan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/51bf81/32.png) [@DonLogan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DonLogan)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2016, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-clinton-in-the-general-election/754989/497 "2016-06-12T18:09:02Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Well, **Johnny Ace** already pointed at what they are saying, Trump just demonstrated how hard is to show open sympathy for gay people as he has to keep many of the rank and file happy. That’s correct. Clinton and Trump can both address terrorism and they can come at guns from opposite sides, but Clinton can work the gay angle also and Trump can’t touch it. ---
**Author:** ![Belowjob2.0](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Belowjob2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Belowjob2.0)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2016, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-clinton-in-the-general-election/754989/498 "2016-06-12T19:09:21Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > who ever said internment camps? This is a [matter of calling the enemy what it is](https://www.yahoo.com/news/democrats-problem-radical-islam-091643745.html?ref=gs), not interning anyone or banning even citizens/foreign leaders. Its [what Bill Maher said](http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/03/05/maher_if_americans_have_to_choose_between_a_party_that_wont_even_say_islamic_terrorism_and_trump_theyll_choose_trump.html). > > My point is that Trump is gonna try to own this issue, and if Hillary can’t beat back the left on trying to keep her from using the term ([one she once used](http://amicc.org/docs/Clinton%202_13_05.pdf)), he could use it rather effectively. Trump already owns the issue, based on his previous inflammatory statements. No way Hilary can do anything but play catch up, and even there, she can’t make the kind of forceful, inflammatory statements Trump makes routinely. Trump has just won Florida for the general. He’ll win Ohio, PA, VA, and NC too, of course. That’s all he needs. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2016, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-clinton-in-the-general-election/754989/499 "2016-06-12T19:42:41Z")
> [@Belowjob2.0](#): > > Trump already owns the issue, based on his previous inflammatory statements. No way Hilary can do anything but play catch up, and even there, she can’t make the kind of forceful, inflammatory statements Trump makes routinely. > > Trump has just won Florida for the general. See, that’s just depressing. The guy who can talk tough but has _no idea_ what he’s on about is seen as better on an issue than someone with tons of actual policy experience high in the executive branch, merely because the tough-talker is willing to shit out of his mouth every couple of minutes. I’m so glad I left the USA, it seems to be getting collectively more and more stupid. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2016, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-clinton-in-the-general-election/754989/500 "2016-06-12T21:38:11Z")
Yes, it would be depressing if true. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2016, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-clinton-in-the-general-election/754989/501 "2016-06-12T21:47:17Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > See, that’s just depressing. The guy who can talk tough but has _no idea_ what he’s on about is seen as better on an issue than someone with tons of actual policy experience high in the executive branch, merely because the tough-talker is willing to shit out of his mouth every couple of minutes. I’m so glad I left the USA, it seems to be getting collectively more and more stupid. I don’t buy it. He is being seen as better by those who are already Republicans. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-clinton-in-the-general-election/754989.md?page=24) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-clinton-in-the-general-election/754989.md?page=26)