# Trump vs Clinton in the General Election **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [May 17, 2016, 1:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-clinton-in-the-general-election/754989 "2016-05-17T13:19:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 28
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2016, 1:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-clinton-in-the-general-election/754989/542 "2016-06-13T13:34:38Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > Hillary just [saved her](http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/13/politics/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-orlando-attacks-reaction/index.html) prospects! > > THANK YOU. Hillary has defeated the terrorists by using a certain word! Hooray! This is really an important thing that matters! ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2016, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-clinton-in-the-general-election/754989/543 "2016-06-13T13:42:35Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Hillary has defeated the terrorists by using a certain word! Hooray! This is really an important thing that matters! No no no no no. The magical “Islamic terrorism” amulet only works if the president says it while clicking his heels three times. Then all the terrorists melt. ---
**Author:** ![DerekMichaels00](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f14d63/32.png) [@DerekMichaels00](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DerekMichaels00)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2016, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-clinton-in-the-general-election/754989/544 "2016-06-13T13:47:38Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Hillary has defeated the terrorists by using a certain word! Hooray! This is really an important thing that matters! she has one, taken away one of the GOP and Trump’s huge talking points, and two, has put the extreme-left in their place. She’s returning to be the centrist that she and Bill are at heart, and centrism, not conservatism or “progressivism” is what America needs. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2016, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-clinton-in-the-general-election/754989/545 "2016-06-13T13:52:30Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > It doesn’t take much guidance to run 100 meters, but to do it faster than anyone else ever has takes training. > > This is the worst mass shooting in history. it was well planned and well executed. The FBI was already watching this guy because he was talking to some very bad people. There is no reason to assume this was overly planned or that he must have trained all that hard. There’s a reason why so many people die when fires break out in clubs like this: they’re loud, dark and owners often break code by blocking or locking emergency exits. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2016, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-clinton-in-the-general-election/754989/546 "2016-06-13T13:55:14Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > she has one, taken away one of the GOP and Trump’s huge talking points I’m fine with Hillary’s rhetoric on this (and I’m fine with Obama’s as well), but no, this didn’t take anything away, because anyone who thinks that whether or not someone calls it radical terrorism, radical Islamic terrorism, or just terrorism, isn’t on the fence on who to vote for. > [@](#): > > , and two, has put the extreme-left in their place. LOL. ---
**Author:** ![DerekMichaels00](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f14d63/32.png) [@DerekMichaels00](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DerekMichaels00)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2016, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-clinton-in-the-general-election/754989/547 "2016-06-13T14:11:13Z")
I think its high time that the progressive cognitive dissonance on Islam end, what [Bill Maher has pointed out](http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/03/05/maher_if_americans_have_to_choose_between_a_party_that_wont_even_say_islamic_terrorism_and_trump_theyll_choose_trump.html). As someone who is always for abortion rights, LGB rights, religious/racial minority rights, it confuses the hell out of me why many progressives only criticize non-Muslims for opposing such things, but excuse Muslims for opposing such things. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2016, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-clinton-in-the-general-election/754989/548 "2016-06-13T14:20:09Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > I think its high time that the progressive cognitive dissonance on Islam end, what [Bill Maher has pointed out](http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/03/05/maher_if_americans_have_to_choose_between_a_party_that_wont_even_say_islamic_terrorism_and_trump_theyll_choose_trump.html). As someone who is always for abortion rights, LGB rights, religious/racial minority rights, it confuses the hell out of me why many progressives only criticize non-Muslims for opposing such things, but excuse Muslims for opposing such things. I don’t criticize anyone for opposing such things, I just think they’re wrong. I respect the opinions of anti-abortion people, be they Christian or Muslim, and within our political system we’ll fight on opposite sides. I don’t give Muslims a pass on these issues more than any other group, nor do I hold them responsible for the acts of terror committed by a fringe minority. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2016, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-clinton-in-the-general-election/754989/549 "2016-06-13T14:20:33Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > I think its high time that the progressive cognitive dissonance on Islam end, what [Bill Maher has pointed out](http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/03/05/maher_if_americans_have_to_choose_between_a_party_that_wont_even_say_islamic_terrorism_and_trump_theyll_choose_trump.html). As someone who is always for abortion rights, LGB rights, religious/racial minority rights, it confuses the hell out of me why many progressives only criticize non-Muslims for opposing such things, but excuse Muslims for opposing such things. It probably confuses you because it’s false – liberals and progressives (including Obama) criticize Muslims all the time. They may not make sweeping negative generalizations about a religion of billions, but there is plenty of criticism. Perhaps not in right-wing fantasy land, but in the real world, it’s true. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2016, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-clinton-in-the-general-election/754989/550 "2016-06-13T14:29:23Z")
The best part of the article that **Derek** linked to came at the end: > [@](#): > > In a separate interview on Fox News’ “Fox and Friends,” also on Monday, Trump continued to criticize the Obama administration’s anti-terror efforts and even hinted at some hidden motivation for Obama. > > “ **We’re led by a man who is very – look, we’re led by a man that either is not tough not smart, or he’s got something else in mind. And the something else in mind, you know, people can’t believe it. People cannot believe, they cannot believe that President Obama is acting the way he acts and he can’t even mention the words radical Islamic terrorism. There’s something going on. It’s inconceivable. There’s something going on** ,” he said. That’s some good ol’ base-panderin’ right there! ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2016, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-clinton-in-the-general-election/754989/551 "2016-06-13T14:47:05Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > One can also only imagine how his father was allowed to come here. That vaunted vetting process did a great job once again. Ah! So you have solid proof of the charges? Perhaps you’ll share? ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2016, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-clinton-in-the-general-election/754989/552 "2016-06-13T14:48:34Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > she has one, taken away one of the GOP and Trump’s huge talking points, and two, has put the extreme-left in their place. She’s returning to be the centrist that she and Bill are at heart, and centrism, not conservatism or “progressivism” is what America needs. It is only a “huge talking point” because they say it a lot. It’s never been huge in impact or persuasiveness. I think Mrs. Clinton got this part right: > [@](#): > > I’m happy to say either, but that’s not the point. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2016, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-clinton-in-the-general-election/754989/553 "2016-06-13T16:38:16Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > The best part of the article that **Derek** linked to came at the end: > > > [@](#): > > > > In a separate interview on Fox News’ “Fox and Friends,” also on Monday, Trump continued to criticize the Obama administration’s anti-terror efforts and even hinted at some hidden motivation for Obama. > > > > “We’re led by a man who is very – look, we’re led by a man that either is not tough not smart, or he’s got something else in mind. And the something else in mind, you know, people can’t believe it. People cannot believe, they cannot believe that President Obama is acting the way he acts and he can’t even mention the words radical Islamic terrorism. There’s something going on. It’s inconceivable. There’s something going on,” he said. > > That’s some good ol’ base-panderin’ right there! When in doubt, create a juicy conspiracy theory… ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2016, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-clinton-in-the-general-election/754989/554 "2016-06-13T16:43:38Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > The best part of the article that **Derek** linked to came at the end: > > That’s some good ol’ base-panderin’ right there! Trump seems determined to lock down the 25% - 30% of the vote. And that’s pretty much what he’ll get. I’m getting more confident that we’re doing to see a Goldwater-type defeat hear, with the subsequent destruction of Hispanic goodwill towards the Republican Party for a generation. Sane Republicans need to do something at this point; the need to acknowlege they’re going to lose the presidency, and work to contain the damage that will occur over the next 20 years if they support Trump… ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2016, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-clinton-in-the-general-election/754989/555 "2016-06-13T16:54:03Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Trump seems determined to lock down the 25% - 30% of the vote. And that’s pretty much what he’ll get. > > I’m getting more confident that we’re doing to see a Goldwater-type defeat hear, with the subsequent destruction of Hispanic goodwill towards the Republican Party for a generation. > > Sane Republicans need to do something at this point; the need to acknowlege they’re going to lose the presidency, **and work to contain the damage that will occur over the next 20 years** if they support Trump… Now that’s just plain silly. Why would you think there will be any damage? The GOP is doing everything right, no need to change a thing. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![DerekMichaels00](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f14d63/32.png) [@DerekMichaels00](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DerekMichaels00)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2016, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-clinton-in-the-general-election/754989/556 "2016-06-13T16:58:58Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > It probably confuses you because it’s false – liberals and progressives (including Obama) criticize Muslims all the time. They may not make sweeping negative generalizations about a religion of billions, but there is plenty of criticism. > > Perhaps not in right-wing fantasy land, but in the real world, it’s true. oh yes, because whenever anyone mentions Islamic terrorism, there isn’t a parade of left-wingers with “Oh but the Crusades,” “what about Tim McVeigh,” etc.:rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2016, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-clinton-in-the-general-election/754989/557 "2016-06-13T16:59:34Z")
> [@Johnny\_Ace](#): > > When in doubt, create a juicy conspiracy theory… Like I said in the pit thread of Stupid Republican ideas, I’m glad that the media is more likely now to remind their readers about how huuuge a crank magnet Trump really is. [https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/06/13/donald-trump-suggests-president-obama-was-involved-with-orlando-shooting/](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/06/13/donald-trump-suggests-president-obama-was-involved-with-orlando-shooting/) > [@](#): > > For months, Trump has slyly suggested that the president is not Christian and has questioned his compassion toward Muslims. Years ago, Trump was a major force in calls for the president to release his birth certificate and prove that he was born in the United States. On the campaign trail, Trump has repeatedly stated as fact conspiracy theories about the president, his rivals and Muslims, often refusing to back down from his assertions even when they are proven to be false. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2016, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-clinton-in-the-general-election/754989/558 "2016-06-13T17:17:47Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > oh yes, because whenever anyone mentions Islamic terrorism, there isn’t a parade of left-wingers with “Oh but the Crusades,” “what about Tim McVeigh,” etc.:rolleyes: The point, that you still miss, is that there are nuts among all the faiths, not just Islam. ---
**Author:** ![DerekMichaels00](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f14d63/32.png) [@DerekMichaels00](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DerekMichaels00)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2016, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-clinton-in-the-general-election/754989/559 "2016-06-13T17:21:35Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > The point, that you still miss, is that there are nuts among all the faiths, not just Islam. I’m well aware of that. What I’m also aware of is that governments around the world are NOT spending billions of dollars and thousands of man/hours to fight Christian, Hindu, Jewish, and Bahaii-inspired terrorism. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2016, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-clinton-in-the-general-election/754989/560 "2016-06-13T17:33:38Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > I’m well aware of that. What I’m also aware of is that governments around the world are NOT spending billions of dollars and thousands of man/hours to fight Christian, Hindu, Jewish, and Bahaii-inspired terrorism. And what makes you think that we are not aware of that is the right wing media, stop relying on them. There is a very strategic reason why broad brushes like the one you are trying to impose should not be done, there are still a lot of Muslims that are also fighting against the same terrorists, and they are not only spending money but lives also, like in Iraq. So you are wrong already in your sweeping statement. The fact that you choose to ignore it is the problem. ---
**Author:** ![DerekMichaels00](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f14d63/32.png) [@DerekMichaels00](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DerekMichaels00)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2016, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-clinton-in-the-general-election/754989/561 "2016-06-13T17:36:21Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > And what makes you think that we are not aware of that is the right wing media, stop relying on them. I don’t rely on Fox News. Fact is on all the progressive blogs, like Daily Kos, Dem Underground, Reddit posts, and from posters here, the response from progressive is usually “da Crusadez,” “Tim McVeigh,” etc. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-clinton-in-the-general-election/754989.md?page=27) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-clinton-in-the-general-election/754989.md?page=29)