# Trump vs Clinton in the General Election **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [May 17, 2016, 1:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-clinton-in-the-general-election/754989 "2016-05-17T13:19:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 32
**Author:** ![DerekMichaels00](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f14d63/32.png) [@DerekMichaels00](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DerekMichaels00)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-clinton-in-the-general-election/754989/622 "2016-06-14T17:00:33Z")
> [@Steve\_MB](#): > > "If it’s true that there are millions of subjects of the Crown who are not now disloyal, but whose are so fragile, so close to the fence, that taxing their tea will push them over to support treason… what does \*that \*say about them as a people? :dubious: " how dare you compare the founders of this great country to sympathizers for terrorism and potential sympathizers for terrorism. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-clinton-in-the-general-election/754989/623 "2016-06-14T17:48:09Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > how dare you compare the founders of this great country to sympathizers for terrorism and potential sympathizers for terrorism. You need a 😉 in there, or some people will think you meant that nonsense seriously and unironically. ---
**Author:** ![DerekMichaels00](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f14d63/32.png) [@DerekMichaels00](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DerekMichaels00)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-clinton-in-the-general-election/754989/624 "2016-06-14T18:32:51Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > You need a 😉 in there, or some people will think you meant that nonsense seriously and unironically. ever think that there are patriotic people who honour America? ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-clinton-in-the-general-election/754989/625 "2016-06-14T21:31:36Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > how dare you compare the founders of this great country to sympathizers for terrorism and potential sympathizers for terrorism. Many of them \*were \*terrorists. The loyalists were hardly respected and left alone, once the rebels gained control in their areas. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-clinton-in-the-general-election/754989/626 "2016-06-14T21:49:27Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > ever think that there are patriotic people who honour America? Not if they talk like that. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2016, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-clinton-in-the-general-election/754989/627 "2016-06-15T00:17:22Z")
Most recent general election poll, likely voters, includes Johnson as a choice, first to include the period after Clinton cinched, [Bloomberg’s](http://assets.bwbx.io/documents/users/iqjWHBFdfxIU/rc0NltTBR0ug/v0), has Clinton up 12: 49 Clinton; 37 Trump; 9 Johnson. She was also up by 10 points in “very enthusiastic” among supporters. One poll, take it FWIW. ---
**Author:** ![Nonsuch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nonsuch/32/2922_2.png) [@Nonsuch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nonsuch)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2016, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-clinton-in-the-general-election/754989/628 "2016-06-15T00:30:43Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > Most recent general election poll, likely voters, includes Johnson as a choice, first to include the period after Clinton cinched, [Bloomberg’s](http://assets.bwbx.io/documents/users/iqjWHBFdfxIU/rc0NltTBR0ug/v0), has Clinton up 12: 49 Clinton; 37 Trump; 9 Johnson. She was also up by 10 points in “very enthusiastic” among supporters. > > One poll, take it FWIW. According to the same poll, 55% of voters would “never” vote for Trump, compared to 43% for Clinton. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2016, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-clinton-in-the-general-election/754989/629 "2016-06-15T00:45:47Z")
Nice! ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2016, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-clinton-in-the-general-election/754989/630 "2016-06-15T01:04:52Z")
BTW - Bloomberg uses Selzer and Co or their polling. A+ rating on 538. Also FWIW. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2016, 5:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-clinton-in-the-general-election/754989/631 "2016-06-15T05:19:20Z")
> [@Nonsuch](#): > > According to the same poll, 55% of voters would “never” vote for Trump, compared to 43% for Clinton. I suspect that 43% will decrease when Sanders endorses her. Trump’s - not going to go down much at all. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2016, 6:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-clinton-in-the-general-election/754989/632 "2016-06-15T06:11:23Z")
Love [that poll.](http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-06-14/bloomberg-politics-national-poll-june-2016) More good stuff from it: > [@](#): > > Other troubling findings for Trump in poll include how 63 percent of women say they could never vote for him. “If you can never get the vote of two in three women, who are a majority of voters, that is something that has to change for Trump to emerge victorious,” Selzer said. > Similar proportions of those younger than 35 and those with incomes of less than $50,000 also say they could never support him.[…] > For his part, Trump is winning 50 percent support from white men, compared to 33 percent for Clinton and 13 percent for Johnson. He’s getting 54 percent support among evangelical Christians, while Clinton gets 36 percent from that group. > White men are among Trump’s strongest demographics. But even there he’s not showing as much strength as the party’s last nominee, Mitt Romney, who beat Obama in 2012 by 62 percent to 35 percent among white men, according to exit polls. Not even doing as well as Romney among white men! Ouch. I mean, that’s basically all he’s got. There was somehow a revolting finding in there though. Drumpf won on who would be better fighting terrorism, 50-45 percent. So there are apparently millions of people out there who would “never” vote for him for other reasons, even though they do think he would fight terrorism more effectively. Ok then. ETA: Notice once again the explosion of the myth that Drumpf appeals to the downscale voter. I’ve said it before: it’s the exurban guy with a three-car garage who wants to be more ahead than he already is, and doesn’t like to see the rise of minorities and women. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2016, 8:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-clinton-in-the-general-election/754989/633 "2016-06-15T08:16:16Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > There was somehow a revolting finding in there though. Drumpf won on who would be better fighting terrorism, 50-45 percent. So there are apparently millions of people out there who would “never” vote for him for other reasons, even though they do think he would fight terrorism more effectively. Ok then. That’s hardly revolting. “How well will I fight terrorism” really ought to rate in our public consciousness alongside other things that kill a similar number of Americans, like “How well will I fight lightning strikes” and “How well will I fight drunk People with dangerous fireworks”. It doesn’t, but the fact that someone thinks a candidate would be worse at fighting terrorism but doesn’t consider that the end-all, be-all of the election is a _good_ sign. No, the _revolting_ part of that finding is the idea that people actually think that Trump, the man with no experience in diplomacy or statecraft or the army or anything else that might have anything to do with fighting terrorism would be better than a former senator, first lady, and secretary of state, because he’s willing to “say the magic words”. That’s fucking gross. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2016, 8:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-clinton-in-the-general-election/754989/634 "2016-06-15T08:31:02Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > That’s hardly revolting. “How well will I fight terrorism” really ought to rate in our public consciousness alongside other things that kill a similar number of Americans, like “How well will I fight lightning strikes” and “How well will I fight drunk People with dangerous fireworks”. It doesn’t, but the fact that someone thinks a candidate would be worse at fighting terrorism but doesn’t consider that the end-all, be-all of the election is a _good_ sign. > > No, the _revolting_ part of that finding is the idea that people actually think that Trump, the man with no experience in diplomacy or statecraft or the army or anything else that might have anything to do with fighting terrorism would be better than a former senator, first lady, and secretary of state, because he’s willing to “say the magic words”. That’s fucking gross. Uhhh…yeah, you and I find it revolting for the _same exact reason_. No argument from me! 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Disgruntled\_Penguin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a8b319/32.png) [@Disgruntled\_Penguin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Disgruntled_Penguin)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2016, 8:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-clinton-in-the-general-election/754989/635 "2016-06-15T08:32:17Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > If there are mass rapes and the Democrats don’t take action, they won’t be a political party anymore except in the history books. This is true. It’s also true that if a meteor the size of a small moon hits us then their won’t be political parties anymore no matter what anyone does. Of course, if money trees start growing in peoples backyards we’ll be happier than at any point in human history and political parties will go extinct because they’re not needed. Yep, the way I see it, political parties are losing the wild ass hypotheticals wars and their futures not very likely. Hypothetically. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2016, 10:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-clinton-in-the-general-election/754989/636 "2016-06-15T10:42:48Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > ETA: Notice once again the explosion of the myth that Drumpf appeals to the downscale voter. I’ve said it before: it’s the exurban guy with a three-car garage who wants to be more ahead than he already is, and doesn’t like to see the rise of minorities and women. Yes, this is interesting. Trump appeals to _anger_ — But not the anger of the underclass, or those who might realistically feel oppressed by the system. Nor the anger of very unskilled workers who might legitimately feel that competition from illegals depresses their job prospects. Instead Trump supporters are well-off white voters with an irrational and inchoate anger fanned up by FoxNews. A strange anger, directed against gays, other races, against anything at all except the real reasons for their sad and shallow lives. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2016, 11:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-clinton-in-the-general-election/754989/637 "2016-06-15T11:08:31Z")
> [@Disgruntled\_Penguin](#): > > This is true. It’s also true that if a meteor the size of a small moon hits us then their won’t be political parties anymore no matter what anyone does. Of course, if money trees start growing in peoples backyards we’ll be happier than at any point in human history and political parties will go extinct because they’re not needed. > > Yep, the way I see it, political parties are losing the wild ass hypotheticals wars and their futures not very likely. Hypothetically. It’s not hypothetical. Germany has a problem and it got big enough that now even the PC types can’t deny it. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2016, 11:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-clinton-in-the-general-election/754989/638 "2016-06-15T11:18:59Z")
Clinton is up 49-37 in the latest ABC poll. Trump has a record-breaking (for a nominee) 70% disapproval rating, with 55% saying they’d never vote for him. Could this be the first ever clean sweep in the Electoral College? ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2016, 11:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-clinton-in-the-general-election/754989/639 "2016-06-15T11:23:06Z")
First let’s see if she can crack a majority. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2016, 11:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-clinton-in-the-general-election/754989/640 "2016-06-15T11:32:33Z")
😃 All those polls pointing to yet another repudiation for your guys are skewed, right? ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2016, 11:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-clinton-in-the-general-election/754989/641 "2016-06-15T11:38:45Z")
Much like “slippery slope”, you seem to have a problem with the definition of “majority”. Even this poll showing a big lead shows most people not voting for her. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-clinton-in-the-general-election/754989.md?page=31) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-clinton-in-the-general-election/754989.md?page=33)