# Trump vs Clinton in the General Election **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [May 17, 2016, 1:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-clinton-in-the-general-election/754989 "2016-05-17T13:19:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![ATLHawk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/94ad74/32.png) [@ATLHawk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ATLHawk)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2016, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-clinton-in-the-general-election/754989/121 "2016-05-20T01:32:09Z")
> [@Enola\_Gay](#): > > What I have heard is that he will build a wall to keep the Mexican rapists and drug dealers from entering the country. That is certainly specific, but not at all realistic since he will never get Congressional support. Who said I was voting for Trump? I just pointed out your petty insult. But to answer the above: after watching his interviews and the debate, he intends to make Mexico pay for the wall. If they don’t pay outright then he says they will through trade tariffs and new visa fees. He also has suggested a few strong arm tactics: a ban on certain remittance avenues such wire transfers and cancelling visas. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2016, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-clinton-in-the-general-election/754989/122 "2016-05-20T01:39:55Z")
> [@Enola\_Gay](#): > > … > -Another terrorist attack close to home > … What if it’s home grown White supremacist terrorists instead of Islamic terrorists? > [@Enola\_Gay](#): > > You guys will be eating crow this time next year when our Commander in Chief Trump is launching nuclear attacks on that Bimbo Merkel and Lyin Putin. Isn’t Trump actually a fan of Putin? ---
**Author:** ![Enola\_Gay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3ab097/32.png) [@Enola\_Gay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enola_Gay)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2016, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-clinton-in-the-general-election/754989/123 "2016-05-20T02:21:10Z")
> [@ATLHawk](#): > > Who said I was voting for Trump? I just pointed out your petty insult. > > But to answer the above: after watching his interviews and the debate, he intends to make Mexico pay for the wall. If they don’t pay outright then he says they will through trade tariffs and new visa fees. He also has suggested a few strong arm tactics: a ban on certain remittance avenues such wire transfers and cancelling visas. Mexico is not going to agree to pay for the wall. And more importantly the US Congress would never support building a wall as it is totally unAmerican and xenophobic. Again, even if he wins, which I think is a very real possibility, he will not get Congressional support to build a wall along the US/Mexico border or any of the other silly ideas he is propositioning. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2016, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-clinton-in-the-general-election/754989/124 "2016-05-20T02:48:25Z")
> [@Enola\_Gay](#): > > And more importantly the US Congress would never support building a wall as it is totally unAmerican and xenophobic. You have got to be kidding. You realize there’s already large sections of wall and massive security on the border already, right? Building a continuous big wall is stupid for a bunch of reasons but the idea that Congress would never support it because it’s “unAmerican and xenophobic” is laughable. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2016, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-clinton-in-the-general-election/754989/125 "2016-05-20T02:52:49Z")
> [@Enola\_Gay](#): > > He is not running for King, he is running for President. A President of the USA must get cooperation from Congress in order to do the things he is proposing. Do you sincerely believe that he will get Congressional support for these cockamamie ideas? Not everything requires congress. He could fatally cripple the ACA for example. ---
**Author:** ![Enola\_Gay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3ab097/32.png) [@Enola\_Gay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enola_Gay)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2016, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-clinton-in-the-general-election/754989/126 "2016-05-20T02:56:47Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > You have got to be kidding. You realize there’s already large sections of wall and massive security on the border already, right? Building a continuous big wall is stupid for a bunch of reasons but the idea that Congress would never support it because it’s “unAmerican and xenophobic” is laughable. I think Congress would support a completely militarized border–soldiers lined up all along the roughly 2000 miles of border. But building a multi-billion dollar WALL? And getting Mexico to pay?? Sorry, not buying it ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2016, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-clinton-in-the-general-election/754989/127 "2016-05-20T03:00:10Z")
So a completely militarized border is American and unxenophobic but a wall is unAmerican and xenophobic. ---
**Author:** ![Enola\_Gay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3ab097/32.png) [@Enola\_Gay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enola_Gay)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2016, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-clinton-in-the-general-election/754989/128 "2016-05-20T03:09:43Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > So a completely militarized border is American and unxenophobic but a wall is unAmerican and xenophobic. A wall is permanent. A militarized border is a temporary solution to address (hopefully fleeting) issues between 2 countries. That is how I see it anyway. Interesting to hear from people who see it so very very differently. 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Peremensoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ce7236/32.png) [@Peremensoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peremensoe)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2016, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-clinton-in-the-general-election/754989/129 "2016-05-20T03:35:32Z")
> [@Enola\_Gay](#): > > I think Congress would support a completely militarized border–soldiers lined up all along the roughly 2000 miles of border. But building a multi-billion dollar WALL? How many soldiers are there in a 2,000-mile line? And how long can that number be maintained on continuous sentry duty in the desert, for a billion dollars? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2016, 5:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-clinton-in-the-general-election/754989/130 "2016-05-20T05:43:04Z")
Nothing to it. Simply let it be known that undocumented immigrants can show their prospective loyalty by volunteering for the Border Defense Force. Not any promise of citizenship, but at least legal status, full-time work. Not at the wages we might offer a citizen, of course, but modest benefits. Chief of which would be not being deported. ---
**Author:** ![truthSeeker2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7cd45c/32.png) [@truthSeeker2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/truthSeeker2)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2016, 10:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-clinton-in-the-general-election/754989/131 "2016-05-20T10:22:08Z")
"Donald Trump has now grown his lead over Hillary Clinton in Rasmussen Reports’ first weekly White House Watch survey. Trump earns 42% support to Clinton’s 37% when Likely U.S. Voters are asked whom they would vote for if the presidential election were held today. But Rasmussen Reports’ latest national telephone survey finds that 13% prefer some other candidate, while seven percent (7%) are undecided." > **[White House Watch](https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2016/white_house_watch_nov7)** > > Rasmussen Reports’ final White House Watch survey shows Democrat Hillary Clinton with a two-point lead over Republican Donald Trump with less than 24 hours to go until Election Day. Among early voters, Clinton has a double-digit lead. ---
**Author:** ![truthSeeker2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7cd45c/32.png) [@truthSeeker2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/truthSeeker2)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2016, 10:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-clinton-in-the-general-election/754989/132 "2016-05-20T10:23:56Z")
^ if we assume Bernie supporters in these polls are mostly going to vote for Hillary, then Hillary has a comfortable lead. ---
**Author:** ![ATLHawk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/94ad74/32.png) [@ATLHawk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ATLHawk)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2016, 11:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-clinton-in-the-general-election/754989/133 "2016-05-20T11:23:55Z")
> [@Enola\_Gay](#): > > And more importantly the US Congress would never support building a wall as it is totally unAmerican and xenophobic. The West Bank barrier is not “unIsraeli” and xenophobic. It’s an effective measure against terror and suicide bombings, which have dropped dramatically since it’s construction began. Granted, we’re not faced with suicide bombings but the Juarez Valley isn’t Heaven on Earth. Yuma, Arizona wasn’t paradise either. Yuma did something, however, and [things have settled down quite dramatically](http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/10/21/it-works-yuma-fence-manpower-make-border-nearly-impenetrable.html). Hell, [the Mexican government is trying to lock down one of it’s borders](http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3385694/Mexico-moves-lock-border-wall-government-tries-stem-flow-migrants-heading-north-tightening-porous-southern-border.html). A border wall **is not** xenophobic. The very definition of xenophobia is an irrational fear of people from other countries. There is nothing irrational about wanting to protect our citizens from [widespread drug violence](http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2014/08/doj-report-nearly-half-fed-crimes-near-mexican-border/), [murder](http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3263226/Revealed-America-s-fearful-city-Texans-live-war-zone-McAllen-two-murders-year-mile-away-Mexican-border-Reynosa-15-000-cut-five-years-vortex-cartel-murders-extortion-torture.html), [rape](http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/facing-risk-rape-migrant-women-prepare-birth-control/). ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2016, 12:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-clinton-in-the-general-election/754989/134 "2016-05-20T12:33:35Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Could you explain what the first sentence has to do with any of that? Are you saying that switching to “world currency” would help / be an important component of the help-poor-people-rather-than-buy-cars plan? our indian poster has a very poor knowledge of the economics and has many fantasy ideas about economics at the national and international levels. For example: > [@truthSeeker2](#): > > after having a world currency, you can do anything you want, like giving free money to poor people which nobody(neither people nor governments) has to ever re-pay. He has shown in a thread on the gold standard he does not understand the concept of money, or the monetary policy issues, and confuses money with wealth. So you can expect very strange preferences. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2016, 12:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-clinton-in-the-general-election/754989/135 "2016-05-20T12:37:14Z")
The “other candidate” is just as likely to be Gary Johnson as Bernie Sanders. Johnson scored 11% in the last poll where voters were able to choose him specifically. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2016, 1:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-clinton-in-the-general-election/754989/136 "2016-05-20T13:19:49Z")
> [@truthSeeker2](#): > > after having a world currency, you can do anything you want, like giving free money to poor people which nobody(neither people nor governments) has to ever re-pay. > > Above won’t happen with Trump as president. > > Thing I like about Trump is he doesn’t care about petrodollar(which is main reason why dollar is valued so high). He actually wants a lower dollar so that American goods and services can also be competitively priced. I never understand what you’re talking about. I’m not entirely certain you do either. ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2016, 1:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-clinton-in-the-general-election/754989/137 "2016-05-20T13:40:17Z")
oh he doesn’t. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2016, 1:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-clinton-in-the-general-election/754989/138 "2016-05-20T13:40:53Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > The “other candidate” is just as likely to be Gary Johnson as Bernie Sanders. Johnson scored 11% in the last poll where voters were able to choose him specifically. Gary Johnson is going to get what the morally bankrupt Libertarian Party always gets- somewhat less than 1% of the vote. You’re seeing an anomaly in that Fox asked about those 3 candidates and very likely a lot of Bernie supporters said Johnson just because they’re pissed and a lot of people who currently profess not to be happy with the Clinton v Trump choice took what was given as another option. If they had asked Clinton-Trump-Satan, Satan would have gotten around 10%. ---
**Author:** ![truthSeeker2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7cd45c/32.png) [@truthSeeker2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/truthSeeker2)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2016, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-clinton-in-the-general-election/754989/139 "2016-05-20T14:47:23Z")
> [@Ramira](#): > > our indian poster has a very poor knowledge of the economics and has many fantasy ideas about economics at the national and international levels. > > For example: > He has shown in a thread on the gold standard he does not understand the concept of money, or the monetary policy issues, and confuses money with wealth. > > So you can expect very strange preferences. > [@Ramira](#): > > oh he doesn’t. Why do you always seem angry and agitated bro? Does your life depend on stopping Trump from becoming president? And no, Islam is not like other religions at all which can co-exist peacefully. Its a poison. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2016, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-clinton-in-the-general-election/754989/140 "2016-05-20T14:53:54Z")
> [@truthSeeker2](#): > > Why do you always seem angry and agitated bro? Does your life depend on stopping Trump from becoming president? And no, Islam is not like other religions at all which can co-exist peacefully. Its a poison. It might help to explain the world currency comment. How would that free up governments’ ability to just give money away? Take it down a step- most of Europe has one currency. Does that mean that within Europe, governments are giving things away with no intention of paying for them? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-clinton-in-the-general-election/754989.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-clinton-in-the-general-election/754989.md?page=8)