# Trump vs. Clinton: worst choice for President ever? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [March 11, 2016, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-clinton-worst-choice-for-president-ever/748692 "2016-03-11T21:28:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![A\_Dodgy\_Dude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a87d85/32.png) [@A\_Dodgy\_Dude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/A_Dodgy_Dude)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2016, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-clinton-worst-choice-for-president-ever/748692/1 "2016-03-11T21:28:33Z")
Does anyone know if historians have formed a consensus opinion for the title “Worst Choice for President in the History of the United States”? ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2016, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-clinton-worst-choice-for-president-ever/748692/2 "2016-03-11T21:30:18Z")
1. Buchanan won because Fillmore and Fremont were even worse. Pretty soon we had the Civil War. ---
**Author:** ![A\_Dodgy\_Dude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a87d85/32.png) [@A\_Dodgy\_Dude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/A_Dodgy_Dude)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2016, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-clinton-worst-choice-for-president-ever/748692/3 "2016-03-11T21:39:57Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > 1. Buchanan won because Fillmore and Fremont were even worse. Pretty soon we had the Civil War. I know historians are all-but-unanimous in naming Buchanan as the worst President ever but don’t I remember reading that he also had what was probably the best resume of any Presidential nominee? ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2016, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-clinton-worst-choice-for-president-ever/748692/4 "2016-03-11T21:42:48Z")
If you are averaging them together maybe since Trump as president would be unthinkable, but there is nothing wrong with Hillary. ---
**Author:** ![Deeg](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deeg/32/2955_2.png) [@Deeg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Deeg)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2016, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-clinton-worst-choice-for-president-ever/748692/5 "2016-03-11T21:50:18Z")
Trump vs. Sanders would be worse. Carter vs. Ford couldn’t have excited a lot of people. ---
**Author:** ![A\_Dodgy\_Dude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a87d85/32.png) [@A\_Dodgy\_Dude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/A_Dodgy_Dude)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2016, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-clinton-worst-choice-for-president-ever/748692/6 "2016-03-11T22:00:57Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > If you are averaging them together maybe since Trump as president would be unthinkable, but there is nothing wrong with Hillary. Nothing? [ul] [li]A proven failure at foreign policy[/li] [li]No grasp of real-world economics[/li] [li]And even her _supporters_ describe her as dishonest and untrustworthy[/li][/ul] Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you like the play? ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2016, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-clinton-worst-choice-for-president-ever/748692/7 "2016-03-11T22:10:13Z")
> [@A\_Dodgy\_Dude](#): > > A proven failure at foreign policy Let me guess … Benghazi! > [@](#): > > No grasp of real-world economics I have no guess at this one. In what way? > [@](#): > > And even her _supporters_ describe her as dishonest and untrustworthy Well, shit, with supporters like that, who needs Trump? This entire OP is just sour grapes that the GOP guy is a fucking buffoon. ---
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2016, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-clinton-worst-choice-for-president-ever/748692/8 "2016-03-11T22:13:06Z")
I’m enthusiastic to vote for Hillary Clinton for President (have been since 2008 and her stint as Secretary of State just makes me more excited in my choice)… so I disagree with the OP’s premise. ---
**Author:** ![LonghornDave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a87d85/32.png) [@LonghornDave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LonghornDave)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2016, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-clinton-worst-choice-for-president-ever/748692/9 "2016-03-11T22:13:36Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > If you are averaging them together maybe since Trump as president would be unthinkable, but there is nothing wrong with Hillary. Give me a break. People may hold their nose and vote for Clinton, but there is a hell of a lot wrong with her. This is the worst election in modern times. A final four of Trump, Cruz, Sanders, and Clinton is just absurdly bad. The only decent person in the mix (obviously Sanders) has a wildly unrealistic platform. It’s essentially a situation where four unelectable people are up against each other. ---
**Author:** ![LonghornDave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a87d85/32.png) [@LonghornDave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LonghornDave)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2016, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-clinton-worst-choice-for-president-ever/748692/10 "2016-03-11T22:28:04Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > Let me guess … Benghazi! Are Clinton supporters not even going to criticize her for Libya? Even Obama is calling our intervention there a shit show. Libya is Hillary’s war, and it is a total mess. ---
**Author:** ![AHunter3](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ahunter3/32/368_2.png) [@AHunter3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AHunter3)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2016, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-clinton-worst-choice-for-president-ever/748692/11 "2016-03-11T22:34:56Z")
> [@ISiddiqui](#): > > I’m enthusiastic to vote for Hillary Clinton for President (have been since 2008 and her stint as Secretary of State just makes me more excited in my choice)… so I disagree with the OP’s premise. Ditto that. I think she’ll be damn good at it. ---
**Author:** ![Peremensoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ce7236/32.png) [@Peremensoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peremensoe)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2016, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-clinton-worst-choice-for-president-ever/748692/12 "2016-03-11T22:43:50Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > 1. Buchanan won because Fillmore and Fremont were even worse. Pretty soon we had the Civil War. In fairness, the War actually started on the next guy’s watch. ---
**Author:** ![Count\_Blucher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Count\_Blucher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Count_Blucher)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2016, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-clinton-worst-choice-for-president-ever/748692/13 "2016-03-11T23:03:29Z")
> [@A\_Dodgy\_Dude](#): > > Nothing? > > [ul] > [li]A proven failure at foreign policy[/li] > [li]No grasp of real-world economics[/li] > [li]And even her _supporters_ describe her as dishonest and untrustworthy[/li][/ul] > > Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you like the play? Wow. You came up with that? Because its seems an awful lot like something lifted right off the copy of some attack ad. Lets see: \*Simple wording that seems like its been approved by a team of DC lawyers? Check. \*No more than three talking points? Check. \*Cutesy ending line? Check. Its seems like such a shame that you’d post that here when campaigns are throwing away money hand-over-fist for statements like that right about now… :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![MindsEye\_Watering](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mindseye_watering/32/3619_2.png) [@MindsEye\_Watering](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MindsEye_Watering)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2016, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-clinton-worst-choice-for-president-ever/748692/14 "2016-03-11T23:21:08Z")
Mrs. Clinton will be a _fine_ President. She’ll be at least as good as President Obama, and perhaps even better. To describe the worst choice for president, one only needs to look at _any_ of the Republican candidates. ---
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2016, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-clinton-worst-choice-for-president-ever/748692/15 "2016-03-11T23:23:11Z")
Breaking news: Conservate Republicans un-enthused about having to vote for Hillary! It’s a shocker! You don’t wanna have to vote for Hillary? How about you nominate someone other than Trump or Cruz? Fucking hell. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2016, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-clinton-worst-choice-for-president-ever/748692/16 "2016-03-11T23:24:21Z")
> [@LonghornDave](#): > > Are Clinton supporters not even going to criticize her for Libya? Even Obama is calling our intervention there a shit show. Libya is Hillary’s war, and it is a total mess. How do you figure? Did anyone blame Reagan for 300 dead Marines in Beirut? What weird stretch of the imagination leads you to blame Clinton for Libya? She tried to keep things together there, and things went bad. This happens now and then. (The failure is of the Arabic-speaking people, as a whole, that the promise of the Arab Spring collapsed into war, tyranny, and murder. They had greater liberty within their reach, and dropped it.) ---
**Author:** ![MindsEye\_Watering](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mindseye_watering/32/3619_2.png) [@MindsEye\_Watering](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MindsEye_Watering)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2016, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-clinton-worst-choice-for-president-ever/748692/17 "2016-03-11T23:29:22Z")
> [@Lemur866](#): > > Breaking news: Conservate Republicans un-enthused about having to vote for Hillary! It’s a shocker! > > You don’t wanna have to vote for Hillary? How about you nominate someone other than Trump or Cruz? Fucking hell. Better yet, Republicans should just stay home and not vote at all. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2016, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-clinton-worst-choice-for-president-ever/748692/18 "2016-03-12T00:02:17Z")
[quote=“A\_Dodgy\_Dude, post:6, topic:748692”] [ul][li]No grasp of real-world economics[/ul][/li][/QUOTE] She has a better grasp than any high-profile Pub has had since Nixon. Even Ford – while his intellect has been somewhat unfairly underestimated by the public, due to his klutz-image – was an idiot about economics, with an 18th-Century view. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2016, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-clinton-worst-choice-for-president-ever/748692/19 "2016-03-12T00:07:22Z")
> [@MindsEye\_Watering](#): > > Mrs. Clinton will be a _fine_ President. She’ll be at least as good as President Obama, and perhaps even better. I’d still prefer Sanders, but, Clinton will indeed be all of that. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2016, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-clinton-worst-choice-for-president-ever/748692/20 "2016-03-12T00:09:00Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > … > This entire OP is just sour grapes that the GOP guy is a fucking buffoon. Actually Orangutan. Note the orange hair. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-clinton-worst-choice-for-president-ever/748692.md?page=2)