# Trump vs. Google. Can anyone possibly defend this? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [August 30, 2018, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-google-can-anyone-possibly-defend-this/820535 "2018-08-30T19:36:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2018, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-google-can-anyone-possibly-defend-this/820535/61 "2018-08-31T20:49:25Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > I thought that Google search learned from search requests you make and eventually tailors itself to give you what they think you want to see? If so, then he must be looking up sites that tell him things he doesn’t want to hear, right? Nobody outside Google knows \*exactly \*how the searches work. There’s a large percentage of popularity (that is to say, pages that are looked at a lot and that a lot of links go to appear higher), there’s a percentage of “we gave Google a bundle of money so that we appear higher”, there’s a nebulous “relevancy” criterion which may or may not have to do with text analysis and keywords, and as of the last few years yes there’s also a “you personally looked at this page and that page appears to be popular among the kind of troglodytes who liked that one page you looked at so have at your little echo chamber” But how much each criterion weights and what other criteria there might be, only the Google people know. It’s not \*impossible \*that they do hide this or that page (they do for porn, even with safe search off and unless you specifically search for porn words), but it would be pretty goddamn hard for Trump or any of his band of idjits to demonstrate any such thing in a court of law. And if the judge asked Google to prove they don’t, Google would just go “trade secret, bitch” ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2018, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-google-can-anyone-possibly-defend-this/820535/62 "2018-08-31T21:03:06Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > Do we have a thread on CNN comparable to the one I linked that itemizes the lies and distortions on Fox News, a thread that (so far) spans 43 pages itemizing the seemingly endless shameless mendacity of Fox “News”? Do you think you could create one like that for CNN? Considering that all you have so far is one highly questionable example of what is, at worst, one honest mistake? Oh, I doubt there’s a thread like that here on the Dope. This place is full of CNN fanboys. And I certainly don’t have the time to create a 43-page thread on the subject myself. Since you seem dissatisfied with my offered cite though, I will offer a few more: [NYT - 3 CNN Journalists Resign After Retracted Story on Trump Ally](https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/26/business/3-cnn-journalists-resign-after-retracted-story-on-trump-ally.html) > [@](#): > > It was the latest in a series of embarrassing episodes at CNN. The network fired Kathy Griffin, a host of its New Year’s Eve special, after she published a photograph in which she appeared to brandish a facsimile of Mr. Trump’s severed head. It cut ties with the host Reza Aslan after he assailed Mr. Trump in vulgar Twitter posts. And it issued a correction on another story that inaccurately predicted the congressional testimony of James B. Comey, the former F.B.I. director. [Politico - CNN error extends run of journalistic mishaps - The network acknowledged a key mistake in its story on Trump and WikiLeaks.](https://www.politico.com/story/2017/12/08/cnn-trump-error-journalism-287914) > [@](#): > > CNN was forced to correct a key error in a story about the Trump campaign and access to hacked Democratic National Committee emails on Friday, extending a run of high-profile media mistakes. [Washington Times - CNN errs again, mistakes Trump spokesman for Obama official](https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/cnn-errs-again-mistakes-trump-spokesman-for-obama-official) > [@](#): > > As her boss, President Trump, mocked CNN at a rally in Pensacola, Fla., for a botched report earlier in the day, White House press secretary Sarah Sanders took a shot at the network via Twitter for a completely different mistake. > > Tweeting out a screenshot of CNN from earlier in the evening during “Anderson Cooper 360,” Sanders pointed out that while the network was playing audio from White House spokesman Raj Shah, the photo CNN put on the screen was actually of an Obama administration alumnus with a similar name. > > “.@CNN this is definitely not @RajShah45 but it is #FakeNews,” Sanders tweeted. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2018, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-google-can-anyone-possibly-defend-this/820535/63 "2018-08-31T21:22:06Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Oh, I doubt there’s a thread like that here on the Dope. This place is full of CNN fanboys. And I certainly don’t have the time to create a 43-page thread on the subject myself. Since you seem dissatisfied with my offered cite though, I will offer a few more: > [NYT - 3 CNN Journalists Resign After Retracted Story on Trump Ally](https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/26/business/3-cnn-journalists-resign-after-retracted-story-on-trump-ally.html) See, if I just read what you wrote there, then I would think that there were 3 journalists that resigned because of an incorrect story. That would be misleading. You even note in the quote that you put there that they issued a correction to their incorrect reporting. Would you like to issue a correction to yours? > [@](#): > > [Politico - CNN error extends run of journalistic mishaps - The network acknowledged a key mistake in its story on Trump and WikiLeaks.](https://www.politico.com/story/2017/12/08/cnn-trump-error-journalism-287914) Once again, they made a mistake and owned up to it. Is your preferred method of reporting refusing to issue corrections, and therefore, make it look like you didn’t make a mistake? > [@](#): > > [Washington Times - CNN errs again, mistakes Trump spokesman for Obama official](https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/cnn-errs-again-mistakes-trump-spokesman-for-obama-official) Someone in the graphics department put up the wrong photo, oops. Was there anything else about the story that was incorrect? So, you have pointed out some errors, that they have corrected themselves. No, they are not perfect, that is an unreasonable expectation, is that what you are expecting? I would say that issuing corrections and retractions is the best anyone can really ask for, and they do that. So, what exactly is your complaint here? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2018, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-google-can-anyone-possibly-defend-this/820535/64 "2018-08-31T21:23:59Z")
Yep, that’s right: The ratio of Fox mistakes to CNN mistakes _is_ about 100-to-1, and CNN is in the habit of correcting their mistakes and punishing those who fuck up. Thanks for pointing it out to us, **HurricaneDitka**. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2018, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-google-can-anyone-possibly-defend-this/820535/65 "2018-08-31T21:24:20Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Oh, I doubt there’s a thread like that here on the Dope. This place is full of CNN fanboys. And I certainly don’t have the time to create a 43-page thread on the subject myself. Since you seem dissatisfied with my offered cite though, I will offer a few more: > [NYT - 3 CNN Journalists Resign After Retracted Story on Trump Ally](https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/26/business/3-cnn-journalists-resign-after-retracted-story-on-trump-ally.html) > > [Politico - CNN error extends run of journalistic mishaps - The network acknowledged a key mistake in its story on Trump and WikiLeaks.](https://www.politico.com/story/2017/12/08/cnn-trump-error-journalism-287914) > > [Washington Times - CNN errs again, mistakes Trump spokesman for Obama official](https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/cnn-errs-again-mistakes-trump-spokesman-for-obama-official) …do you understand that “mistakes” and “lies” are two completely different things? Here: this might help you out: [Mistake](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/mistake). [Lie](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/lie). You’ve posted 3 examples of mistakes: all examples that CNN both acknowledged and took appropriate action. They are not lies. I don’t think anyone will argue that CNN, or any other news outlet, hasn’t made mistakes before. I think mistakes are inevitable: especially when the news cycle is so fast now. But if this is the worst you can find: then CNN isn’t really that bad at all. ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2018, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-google-can-anyone-possibly-defend-this/820535/66 "2018-08-31T21:27:15Z")
Just checking, am I seeing somebody seriously attempting to argue that Fox News is as honest and reputable a news source as, well, _any_ established news source that exists in places other than on the racks around supermarket registers? Because that seems like a rather difficult argument to make anywhere outside the Trumpster blogosphere. ---
**Author:** ![TimeWinder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bcef8e/32.png) [@TimeWinder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TimeWinder)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2018, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-google-can-anyone-possibly-defend-this/820535/67 "2018-08-31T21:43:28Z")
> [@begbert2](#): > > Just checking, am I seeing somebody seriously attempting to argue that Fox News is as honest and reputable a news source as, well, _any_ established news source that exists in places other than on the racks around supermarket registers? Yes, and quite successfully. The bit you’re missing is “any characteristic that can be described–even inaccurately or deceptively–as vaguely similar between two entities, regardless of magnitude or quantity differences in those characteristics, means that the two entities are exactly equivalent” in conservative-speak. This has basically been the both-sides-do-it argument of virtually everything to come out of that side since before Trump’s election, you really ought to understand it by now. ---
**Author:** ![TimeWinder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bcef8e/32.png) [@TimeWinder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TimeWinder)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2018, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-google-can-anyone-possibly-defend-this/820535/68 "2018-08-31T21:44:34Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > I’m not defending FOX but you got to see what a ridiculous comment this is. The length of a thread here is not an objective measure of anything. No, but the number of legitimate cites IN that thread, is. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2018, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-google-can-anyone-possibly-defend-this/820535/69 "2018-08-31T21:47:05Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > … No, they are not perfect, that is an unreasonable expectation, is that what you are expecting? I would say that issuing corrections and retractions is the best anyone can really ask for, and they do that. > > So, what exactly is your complaint here? Not exactly a complaint, exactly. **wolfpup** said “… all you have so far is one highly questionable example of what is, at worst, one honest mistake…”, so I decided to give him a few more examples. As for complaints about CNN, going back to the current scandal over their erroneous reporting, yes I think they should issue a retraction. Instead they’ve decided to “stand by their report”, even after their source said it was wrong. ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2018, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-google-can-anyone-possibly-defend-this/820535/70 "2018-08-31T21:49:17Z")
> [@TimeWinder](#): > > Yes, and quite successfully. The bit you’re missing is “any characteristic that can be described–even inaccurately or deceptively–as vaguely similar between two entities, regardless of magnitude or quantity differences in those characteristics, means that the two entities are exactly equivalent” in conservative-speak. > > This has basically been the both-sides-do-it argument of virtually everything to come out of that side since before Trump’s election, you really ought to understand it by now. You have a very, very different definition of “successfully” than I do - unless his goal is just to clog up the thread and obstruct conversation about how obviously dictatorial Mr Donald Iwannacontrolthenews Trump is being, in which case I can’t fault his efforts. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2018, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-google-can-anyone-possibly-defend-this/820535/71 "2018-08-31T21:51:29Z")
> [@begbert2](#): > > You have a very, very different definition of “successfully” than I do - unless his goal is just to clog up the thread and obstruct conversation about how obviously dictatorial Mr Donald Iwannacontrolthenews Trump is being, in which case I can’t fault his efforts. Did you see post #55? ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2018, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-google-can-anyone-possibly-defend-this/820535/72 "2018-08-31T21:54:27Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Not exactly a complaint, exactly. **wolfpup** said “… all you have so far is one highly questionable example of what is, at worst, one honest mistake…”, so I decided to give him a few more examples. > > As for complaints about CNN, going back to the current scandal over their erroneous reporting, yes I think they should issue a retraction. Instead they’ve decided to “stand by their report”, even after their source said it was wrong. They have reported on their source having issued his change of heart, but are you saying that they should lie, and now claim that they were not told these things? The facts are that CNN was told these things. He is not claiming to have not said these things, only that he isn’t as sure as to the veracity of the story as he was. They have reported on that. What else would you like them to do? It does seem that the best way for CNN to gain reputation with conservatives would be to no longer issue retractions when they make mistakes, no longer pressure people to resign when they make really big mistake, not fire personalities for making threats against sitting officials, and all in all, copy the Fox model. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2018, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-google-can-anyone-possibly-defend-this/820535/73 "2018-08-31T22:05:12Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Did you see post #55? Where you said that Trump’s actions of threatening google are a reasonable response to some democrats talking about re-instituting a 40 year long policy from a couple decades back? If you want to compare apples and apples, here’s what a [news organization that you can trust had to say about that.](http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/02/12/democrats-consider-reviving-fairness-doctrine.html) > [@](#): > > During the presidential campaign, a spokesman said Barack Obama did not favor reinstating the Fairness Doctrine. ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2018, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-google-can-anyone-possibly-defend-this/820535/74 "2018-08-31T22:10:47Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Did you see post #55? Yep. You made a reasonable post to a post that was, to be entirely frank, deliberately designed to make it nigh-impossible for you to be unreasonable in response to it. And then you dive straight in to this _look, look, CNN is eeeeeeeeeevil!!!_ nonsense. Let’s be entirely frank: CNN isn’t a hotbed of deliberate lies. Fox News _is_ hotbed of deliberate lies. The two aren’t comparable. The democrats claim that there’s a legitimate societal interest in preventing lies from being sold to the voting populace as truth - particularly since there’s tons of evidence that hostile foreign powers are gleefully using such falsified news pipelines as a way to negatively influence the american electorate and through them america as a society and a nation. How to deal with this flow of bullshit, of course, is a debatable question. Trump claims that there’s something wrong with news sources that don’t distort reality in an effort to suck his cock, and now has decided that private businesses that aren’t even claiming to be news sources need to distort reality and suck his cock too. And he’s making noises about doing something about it, presumably extralegally, which of course isn’t going to happen but it’s still disconcerting to hear that from the president. The two aren’t comparable. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2018, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-google-can-anyone-possibly-defend-this/820535/75 "2018-08-31T22:41:05Z")
> [@begbert2](#): > > … Let’s be entirely frank: > > CNN isn’t a hotbed of deliberate lies. > > Fox News _is_ hotbed of deliberate lies. > > The two aren’t comparable. … Is this intended to just be a sharing of opinions, or are you asserting this as a factual claim? ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2018, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-google-can-anyone-possibly-defend-this/820535/76 "2018-08-31T22:47:39Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > … If you want to compare apples and apples, here’s what a [news organization that you can trust had to say about that.](http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/02/12/democrats-consider-reviving-fairness-doctrine.html) I’m aware of BHO’s position on the matter, which is why I didn’t use his name in my post about the Fairness Doctrine. I said “Democrats”. I’m curious about your position though. I see the debate over the Fairness Doctrine, this recent hinting at regulating Google, _Citizens United_, etc. as all part of a large debate over whether we want the government controlling what we can say / write / publish / broadcast / (in Google’s case) return as search results, or not. I’m generally in the “or not” camp, but what about you, **k9bfriender**? ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2018, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-google-can-anyone-possibly-defend-this/820535/77 "2018-08-31T23:34:11Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Is this intended to just be a sharing of opinions, or are you asserting this as a factual claim? Damn right it’s a factual claim - and one I don’t intent to spend one single solitary character defending in this thread. It’s a fact, like it or lump it, it’s off topic anyway. The efforts of democrats of the distant irrelevant past to reinstate the fairness doctrine are less off topic, but still kind of off topic, because I’m not sure a sane argument could be constructed to construe Google as the type of news organization that would be subject to the fairness doctrine without placing undue burdens on any remaining library card catalogues. (Not that restricting things to sanity would stop Trump and co.) For the record, I’m a bit dubious about the fairness doctrine - as I understand it, the way it has been traditionally implemented ended up forcing legitimate news organizations to give equal time to crackpots and liars. Turing that around and forcing a crackpot/liar organization like Fox News to give equal time to reality sounds like sweet justice, but what you’d actually see is Fox News bullshit showing up _everywhere_, demanding its equal share of attention. Presuming we want to actually stem the tide of russain/nazi/racist-spawned bullshit, we need to institute some kind of _honesty_ doctrine - which would be literally impossible to implement at a government level without the aid of some unimpeachable divine assessor of truth like the FSM. Failing that I don’t know what we can do at the government level - aside from preventing dictator wannabes from crushing legitimate news sources and search engines, of course. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2018, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-google-can-anyone-possibly-defend-this/820535/78 "2018-09-01T00:43:46Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Not exactly a complaint, exactly. **wolfpup** said “… all you have so far is one highly questionable example of what is, at worst, one honest mistake…”, so I decided to give him a few more examples. And, as has been pointed out a few times now since I was last here, all you’ve shown is that CNN has occasionally made a mistake, as would be expected of any organization that reports the news 24x7 every day of the year. As was also pointed out, there is a major difference between a mistake and a persistent pattern of lying for partisan political purposes. You will note that we had no difficulty identifying such an egregious pattern of deliberate lying, omission, and distortion in Fox News. Are you trying to imply an equivalence with CNN? If so, you have failed miserably. You have failed to show anything against CNN except the occasional mistake. Supplementary question: do you really for one moment expect to be taken seriously? > [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > I see the debate over the Fairness Doctrine, this recent hinting at regulating Google, _Citizens United_, etc. as all part of a large debate over whether we want the government controlling what we can say / write / publish / broadcast / (in Google’s case) return as search results, or not. I’m generally in the “or not” camp, but what about you, **k9bfriender**? Do you really fail to recognize the commonality among the Fairness Doctrine, opposition to government censorship, opposition to government meddling in search engine algorithms, opposition to unfettered concentration of media ownership, and opposition to _Citizens United_? I really believe you do so I’ll have to spell it out for you. What they all have in common is support for the democratic imperative of an informed populace by ensuring factually accurate news reporting and a balanced public discourse that is not dominated solely by big moneyed interests where only the voices of the rich and powerful are heard. Criticism of Fox News isn’t even in the same class – that’s just opposition to an unscrupulous shameless pack of liars masquerading as a news network while acting as the PR agency for the Republican Party. It’s the only network that Trump watches while calling the legitimate media “fake news” and “the enemy of the people”. Is that really the kind of country you want to live in? ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2018, 12:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-google-can-anyone-possibly-defend-this/820535/79 "2018-09-01T12:04:00Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > It hadn’t previously occurred to me, but now I want to see if Trump has a page at Conservapedia. > > Also, I’d like to see if Conservapedia still exists. > [@Akaj](#): > > it does, and [it does](https://www.conservapedia.com/Donald_Trump). I took one for the team and clicked. The Trump articles are too fawning to stomach, so I clicked on his top honor: Donald Trump was named the Conservative of the Year 2017. First Runner-Up was Steve Bannon. Other runners-up included Roy Moore, Scott Pruitt and Joe Arpaio. Demoted from consideration were Sean Hannity and Laura Ingraham, who initially cut and ran from Roy Moore when he was ambushed by the liberal media …Has anyone figured out whether this is a parody site? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2018, 12:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-google-can-anyone-possibly-defend-this/820535/80 "2018-09-01T12:44:26Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > I’m not defending FOX but you got to see what a ridiculous comment this is. The length of a thread here is not an objective measure of anything. It is a very large collection of linkable evidence that shows a hundred times over that Fox deliberately lies. Now compare that to the unevidenced Trumptweets about Google and weigh the difference between the two. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-google-can-anyone-possibly-defend-this/820535.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-vs-google-can-anyone-possibly-defend-this/820535.md?page=5)