# Trump will be re-elected -- "Americans are a stupid people. We believe whatever we're told." **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [April 21, 2019, 9:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-will-be-re-elected-americans-are-a-stupid-people-we-believe-whatever-were-told/832844 "2019-04-21T09:50:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2019, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-will-be-re-elected-americans-are-a-stupid-people-we-believe-whatever-were-told/832844/21 "2019-04-22T02:08:07Z")
> [@kunilou](#): > > …If the Democrats want to win, they need to find roughly 50,000 more voters in Pennsylvania, 23,000 in Wisconsin, and 12,000 in Michigan, without\* losing\* roughly 45,000 voters in Minnesota, 27,000 in Nevada, and 3,000 in New Hampshire. > > … And make sure they are 1) allowed to register, 2) allowed to vote, and that 3) their votes are counted. The Republicans at the state and federal levels are working overtime to place obstacles in the way of all of those. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2019, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-will-be-re-elected-americans-are-a-stupid-people-we-believe-whatever-were-told/832844/22 "2019-04-22T03:11:30Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > Because they all vote. (Or nearly). > > Only about half of Americans vote, even in Presidential elections. If the 30% of the total who are Trump fans all vote, and only about a third of the other 70% of Americans vote, then you get the usual number of total votes…with Trump getting more than the Democrat. > > Add in social-media pressure on Democrats to vote 3rd-party----and there will be a TON of it (the Russian bots are already hitting that theme hard, along with “Democrats are cowards, why vote for cowards?”)…and you have a secure re-election for Mr. Deplorable. Which is odd, because Mr. Deplorable is such a wimp he wouldn’t leave a hotel because it was raining. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2019, 4:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-will-be-re-elected-americans-are-a-stupid-people-we-believe-whatever-were-told/832844/23 "2019-04-22T04:28:34Z")
> [@kunilou](#): > > If the Democrats want to win, they need to find roughly 50,000 more voters in Pennsylvania, 23,000 in Wisconsin, and 12,000 in Michigan, without\* losing\* roughly 45,000 voters in Minnesota, 27,000 in Nevada, and 3,000 in New Hampshire. > > Anyone who thinks they can predict that right now is a damn fool. It’s worse than that. In 2016, 172,000 in Michigan voted for Gary Johnson compared with less than 8000 in 2012; 147,000 in Pennsylvania compared with 50,000; 107,000 in Wisconsin compared with 20,000. People who vote Libertarian tend to be xenophobic bigots who oppose taxation. Their fears about Trump have changed into delight; expect to see them return to the GOP for the 2020 election. Pennsylvania is 11% black; Michigan over 14% black. **wolfpup** is correct that those votes are hugely important to D’s chances. Although Governors are Democratic, the GOP controls both houses of the state legislatures of both these states. The 2020 Election may come down to [the suppression](https://newrepublic.com/article/152141/2020-election-come-voter-suppression) of [likely Democratic voters.](https://hhsbroadcaster.com/8432/pol/voter-suppression-efforts-widespread-in-america/) The criminals are more powerful than ever now, and are packing the courts. If you think this will be a fair election, let me sell you a bridge… We can’t predict the future with any certainty, but we can guess the probabilities. I repeat my guess: _ **If the economy is still good, this outrageous and despicable criminal will be re-elected.** _ ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2019, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-will-be-re-elected-americans-are-a-stupid-people-we-believe-whatever-were-told/832844/24 "2019-04-22T04:36:47Z")
> [@guizot](#): > > Obama got elected because his opponents weren’t willing to tell outright lies and exploit the stupidity referred to in the OP, as well as to court white nationalists. In fact, sometimes they even tried to squelch outright lies that their supporters were peddling, and it may have cost them politically. Consider [John McCain’s well-known reaction to a voter repeating one of the many baseless rumors about Obama in 2008](http://time.com/4866404/john-mccain-barack-obama-arab-cancer/): > [@](#): > > A woman came up to McCain at a rally and said, “I can’t trust Obama. I have read about him, and he’s not, he’s not — he’s an Arab.” Her comment prompted McCain to immediately shake his head and take the microphone from her. > > “No ma’am,” McCain said. “He’s a decent family man, a citizen that I just happen to have disagreements with on fundamental issues, and that’s what this campaign is all about.” > > McCain continued to defend Obama during the event even as his supporters voiced their surprise in the background. > > “He is a decent person and a person that you do not have to be scared of as President,” McCain said. “If I didn’t think I’d be one heck of a better President I wouldn’t be running, and that’s the point. I admire Sen. Obama and his accomplishments, I will respect him. I want everyone to be respectful, and let’s make sure we are. Because that’s the way politics should be conducted in America.” The Trump base doesn’t want a candidate who talks about admiring an opponent’s accomplishments and being respectful. What do you think Trump would say to a rumormongering supporter in such a situation? _“Well, you know, a lot of people are saying—they’re saying he’s a secret Arab and does all those, you know, secret Arab rituals, whatever. Very bad for our country! Is it true? Could be, I don’t know. A lot of people are saying this!”_ ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2019, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-will-be-re-elected-americans-are-a-stupid-people-we-believe-whatever-were-told/832844/25 "2019-04-22T04:50:33Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > … The Trump base doesn’t want a candidate who talks about admiring an opponent’s accomplishments and being respectful. … To be fair, [neither do the Dems](https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/28/politics/joe-biden-mike-pence-decent-guy-criticize-respond/index.html). ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2019, 5:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-will-be-re-elected-americans-are-a-stupid-people-we-believe-whatever-were-told/832844/26 "2019-04-22T05:14:19Z")
Nothing in that article supports your claim. Your attempt at bothsiderism is stillborn. ---
**Author:** ![Dereknocue67](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/6de8d8/32.png) [@Dereknocue67](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dereknocue67)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2019, 6:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-will-be-re-elected-americans-are-a-stupid-people-we-believe-whatever-were-told/832844/27 "2019-04-22T06:25:13Z")
I disagree with, “Americans are a stupid people. We believe whatever we’re told.” The general population of most countries may often be politically unengaged or misinformed due to daily living activities dealing with obtaining and maintaining necessities like food, shelter, etc. When it comes to beliefs, most people tend to believe what is comfortable and accept concepts they want to believe. As an example, I think this is one of the main reasons religion is so popular. I mean, who doesn’t appreciate a happy ending? ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2019, 8:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-will-be-re-elected-americans-are-a-stupid-people-we-believe-whatever-were-told/832844/28 "2019-04-22T08:00:05Z")
> [@Dereknocue67](#): > > I mean, who doesn’t appreciate a happy ending? Certainly not Robert Kraft! ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2019, 11:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-will-be-re-elected-americans-are-a-stupid-people-we-believe-whatever-were-told/832844/29 "2019-04-22T11:15:27Z")
> [@The\_Tooth](#): > > Nothing in that article supports your claim. Your attempt at bothsiderism is stillborn. But we are going to force him to carry it to term and look at an ultrasound of his flawed logic. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2019, 1:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-will-be-re-elected-americans-are-a-stupid-people-we-believe-whatever-were-told/832844/30 "2019-04-22T13:10:17Z")
> [@The\_Tooth](#): > > Nothing in that article supports your claim. Your attempt at bothsiderism is stillborn. Try reading it again. You might have missed this bit in the opening paragraph: > [@](#): > > … called Vice President Mike Pence a “decent guy” during a speech in Omaha, a comment that frustrated some on the left … ---
**Author:** ![Inigo\_Montoya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inigo_montoya/32/124_2.png) [@Inigo\_Montoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inigo_Montoya)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2019, 1:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-will-be-re-elected-americans-are-a-stupid-people-we-believe-whatever-were-told/832844/31 "2019-04-22T13:21:45Z")
The Dems do need to play it smart. But it’ll be interesting to see if they can checkmate DT before the election: DON’T seek reelection and we won’t file impeachment proceedings; maybe even a non-prosecution agreement to the effect of "Don’t run, and you and the kids get immunity from obstruction & other charges. RUN and the impeachment goes down, and everybody goes to gaol. And all done in a reality TV format, with occasional solo scenes addressing concerns to a camera. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2019, 1:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-will-be-re-elected-americans-are-a-stupid-people-we-believe-whatever-were-told/832844/32 "2019-04-22T13:30:54Z")
President Trump knows the Dems don’t have the votes to remove him from office. Several Dopers have argued that impeachment may actually HELP him win re-election. They don’t have enough political power to leverage into what you propose, and the people who matter know it. ---
**Author:** ![Inigo\_Montoya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inigo_montoya/32/124_2.png) [@Inigo\_Montoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inigo_Montoya)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2019, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-will-be-re-elected-americans-are-a-stupid-people-we-believe-whatever-were-told/832844/33 "2019-04-22T13:35:14Z")
Depends on how much the Repubs hold on to in next election. But yeah impeachment during _this_ term would be a mess unless The Don starts eating live babies in the rose garden every Sunday. And even then he’d probably be ok. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2019, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-will-be-re-elected-americans-are-a-stupid-people-we-believe-whatever-were-told/832844/34 "2019-04-22T13:46:12Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Try reading it again. You might have missed this bit in the opening paragraph: No, I didn’t miss it. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2019, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-will-be-re-elected-americans-are-a-stupid-people-we-believe-whatever-were-told/832844/35 "2019-04-22T13:49:18Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > What technicality? The electoral college. ---
**Author:** ![Ashtura](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ashtura/32/2963_2.png) [@Ashtura](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ashtura)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2019, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-will-be-re-elected-americans-are-a-stupid-people-we-believe-whatever-were-told/832844/36 "2019-04-22T14:27:20Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > The electoral college. Treating that as a technicality is a fatal political move. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2019, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-will-be-re-elected-americans-are-a-stupid-people-we-believe-whatever-were-told/832844/37 "2019-04-22T14:36:42Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Try reading it again. You might have missed this bit in the opening paragraph: Since you’ve given up on denying whatever Republicans fuck up any more, imagine the time and effort you could save if you just made “They do it tooooo!” your signature. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2019, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-will-be-re-elected-americans-are-a-stupid-people-we-believe-whatever-were-told/832844/38 "2019-04-22T14:56:58Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > … imagine the time and effort you could save if you just made “They do it tooooo!” your signature. I don’t think it would be nearly as effective as pointing out recent examples of Dems throwing a tantrum over one of their own candidates calling someone on the other side a “decent guy”. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2019, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-will-be-re-elected-americans-are-a-stupid-people-we-believe-whatever-were-told/832844/39 "2019-04-22T15:01:27Z")
Ha ha. “Tantrum”. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2019, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-will-be-re-elected-americans-are-a-stupid-people-we-believe-whatever-were-told/832844/40 "2019-04-22T15:31:13Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > I don’t think it would be nearly as effective as pointing out recent examples of Dems throwing a tantrum over one of their own candidates calling someone on the other side a “decent guy”. Except we get so tired of your links not being as you describe them that, after a while, we just assume it is another in a long line of “They do it too!” links that just don’t match up with the hyperbole you use to describe it. The obvious solution is to either be a bit more accurate in your link descriptions…or go with my previous signature suggestion. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-will-be-re-elected-americans-are-a-stupid-people-we-believe-whatever-were-told/832844.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-will-be-re-elected-americans-are-a-stupid-people-we-believe-whatever-were-told/832844.md?page=3)