# Trump will not debate Biden on June 27, 2024, or thereafter either **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [June 5, 2024, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-will-not-debate-biden-on-june-27-2024-or-thereafter-either/1002493 "2024-06-05T01:26:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2024, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-will-not-debate-biden-on-june-27-2024-or-thereafter-either/1002493/261 "2024-06-18T21:19:03Z")
> [@MaxTheVool](#): > > Basically, my point is, “but really really hardcore MAGA people won’t care” as a response to just about anything is (a) true and (b) irrelevant In general I agree with your overall post. I suppose my overall point was/is that it seems to me that many folks here post things like “After this latest trump outrage / foible / unintelligble soundbite [insert it here], clearly all support for the guy will evaporate to zero.” And my point back to those triumphalists is that the hardcore won’t budge; they’re all in and will remain all in. Largely because they will never even learn of whatever thing some leftie is crowing about as the _coup de grace_ for trump’s entire following. So in a sense you and I agree completely: the MAGA core, however large it is, is pretty much fixed and immune to persuasion. Where we differ is in what else we’re talking about and which implied question we’re supplying an answer to. ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2024, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-will-not-debate-biden-on-june-27-2024-or-thereafter-either/1002493/262 "2024-06-18T22:06:57Z")
Fox News would give in instantly if he asked for a prime time spot to have a town hall. It’s all about ratings for them. They don’t give a crap about his lawsuits. After all it’s all a withhunt anyway. Hannity and Ingraham would give up their time slots in a heartbeat for the Dear Leader. And getting an audience of mouth-breathing MAGAts in a studio would happen in no time. Just run a couple of busloads in from Staten Island. ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2024, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-will-not-debate-biden-on-june-27-2024-or-thereafter-either/1002493/263 "2024-06-18T22:12:04Z")
Oops. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2024, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-will-not-debate-biden-on-june-27-2024-or-thereafter-either/1002493/264 "2024-06-18T22:22:40Z")
> [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](#): > > After all it’s all a withhunt anyway. I think you have something stuck in your teeth. /joking!! 😆 ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2024, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-will-not-debate-biden-on-june-27-2024-or-thereafter-either/1002493/265 "2024-06-18T22:56:19Z")
> [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](#): > > They don’t give a crap about his lawsuits. I wasn’t talking about Trump being sued. > **[Fox, Dominion reach $787M settlement over election claims](https://apnews.com/article/fox-news-dominion-lawsuit-trial-trump-2020-0ac71f75acfacc52ea80b3e747fb0afe)** > > Fox and Dominion Voting Systems have reached a $787 million settlement in the voting machine company’s defamation lawsuit. The agreement averts a trial in a case that exposed how the top-rated network chased viewers by promoting lies about the 2020... > [@](#): > > It’s all about ratings for them. As a reminder: the last time Biden and Trump had dueling town halls, Biden got higher ratings. ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2024, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-will-not-debate-biden-on-june-27-2024-or-thereafter-either/1002493/266 "2024-06-18T23:20:41Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > I wasn’t talking about Trump being sued. Well, what you wrote made it sound like you were talking about DJT, not Fox. > [@Smapti](#): > > … Fox News has to be worried he’ll say something that will give more ammo to the **lawsuits against him** … Bolding is mine. Him, not them is what you wrote. I read it twice to be sure because I initially thought you were referring to the Dominion settlement. ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2024, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-will-not-debate-biden-on-june-27-2024-or-thereafter-either/1002493/267 "2024-06-18T23:26:22Z")
Oof! Pow! Bam! That’s a 2 x 4 to the head that just keeps hitting! I also like how does a preemptive strike on Trump’s bailing. Dark Brandon with his Ray-Ban’s on! ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2024, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-will-not-debate-biden-on-june-27-2024-or-thereafter-either/1002493/268 "2024-06-18T23:26:39Z")
“Ah, pronoun trouble.” - Daffy Duck. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2024, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-will-not-debate-biden-on-june-27-2024-or-thereafter-either/1002493/269 "2024-06-18T23:33:54Z")
> [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](#): > > Bolding is mine. > > Him, not them is what you wrote. Ok. My mistake. To clarify, I was talking about Fox News not wanting more fuel for the defamation lawsuits against them. Giving Convict Donald 90 minutes of unopposed airtime would be a disaster in that regard since he can’t stay on topic and thinks out loud. ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2024, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-will-not-debate-biden-on-june-27-2024-or-thereafter-either/1002493/270 "2024-06-18T23:36:46Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > I suppose my overall point was/is that it seems to me that many folks here post things like “After this latest trump outrage / foible / unintelligble soundbite [insert it here], clearly all support for the guy will evaporate to zero.” I have consistently emphasized that it’s about eroding Trump’s support among “independents.” I do think that he can lose his MAGA support as well, inasmuch as such support is based on group-think and group-feeling and not any kind of grounded politics, philosophy, or principles. If we Democrats lose a particular politician, we are still Democrats. If they lose Trump, they have nothing. And they will lose him not only if he dies (after which MAGA dies) but also if he just doesn’t _feel_ like the strongman any more. That day is approaching at high speed. ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2024, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-will-not-debate-biden-on-june-27-2024-or-thereafter-either/1002493/271 "2024-06-18T23:38:49Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Ok. My mistake. To clarify, I was talking about Fox News not wanting more fuel for the defamation lawsuits against them. I think that was more about Fox as a “professional” news organization _systematically_ buying into Trumpian lies and pushing out that message and less about simply relaying Trump’s and his surrogates’ words. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2024, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-will-not-debate-biden-on-june-27-2024-or-thereafter-either/1002493/272 "2024-06-18T23:42:55Z")
IIRC, since the lawsuits they’ve cut off guests (including Trump in a phone interview) who started veering into election conspiracy territory. They don’t want to touch the topic with a ten-foot pole, but if he brings it up in a live town hall they’re gonna have trouble steering him away from that. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2024, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-will-not-debate-biden-on-june-27-2024-or-thereafter-either/1002493/273 "2024-06-19T00:06:04Z")
If trump cancels at the last Minute, will CNN allow Biden to debate an empty chair? ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2024, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-will-not-debate-biden-on-june-27-2024-or-thereafter-either/1002493/274 "2024-06-19T00:08:50Z")
It would be a far more productive conversation. ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2024, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-will-not-debate-biden-on-june-27-2024-or-thereafter-either/1002493/275 "2024-06-19T00:16:19Z")
Makes sense, thanks! ---
**Author:** ![Folly](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folly/32/3219_2.png) [@Folly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folly)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2024, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-will-not-debate-biden-on-june-27-2024-or-thereafter-either/1002493/276 "2024-06-19T00:19:49Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > If trump cancels at the last Minute, will CNN allow Biden to debate an empty chair? Hmmm. Considering Clint Eastwood was also 81 when he debated an empty chair, let’s not invite any comparisons… ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2024, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-will-not-debate-biden-on-june-27-2024-or-thereafter-either/1002493/277 "2024-06-19T00:19:53Z")
OMG, our friend Ben Meiselas reports on how the surrogates (including fascist scumslice Don Jr.) are gunning _hard_ to make debate (mushroom) pullout excuses: [MeidasTouch](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Mq3afxSgqs) There is _no way_ this jackanapes is appearing on the debate stage. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2024, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-will-not-debate-biden-on-june-27-2024-or-thereafter-either/1002493/278 "2024-06-19T00:22:37Z")
> [@Aeschines](#): > > There is _no way_ this jackanapes is appearing on the debate stage. He’s now actively doing debate prep. [https://www.politico.com/news/2024/06/17/donald-trump-debate-prep-00163749](https://www.politico.com/news/2024/06/17/donald-trump-debate-prep-00163749) ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2024, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-will-not-debate-biden-on-june-27-2024-or-thereafter-either/1002493/279 "2024-06-19T00:33:55Z")
> [@Aeschines](#): > > OMG, our friend Ben Meiselas reports on how the surrogates (including fascist scumslice Don Jr.) are gunning _hard_ to make debate (mushroom) pullout excuses: > > [MeidasTouch](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Mq3afxSgqs) > > There is _no way_ this jackanapes is appearing on the debate stage. Not my friend. My friends don’t make clickbait videos. ---
**Author:** ![dougrb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/76d3ee/32.png) [@dougrb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dougrb)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2024, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-will-not-debate-biden-on-june-27-2024-or-thereafter-either/1002493/280 "2024-06-19T00:34:14Z")
> [@Aeschines](#): > > OMG, our friend Ben Meiselas reports on how the surrogates I was getting ready to post a segment of that video. Dr. Ronnie Jackson and Don Jr. discuss how difficult it is for Bidens handlers to get the right cocktail of drugs to make him functional but not overly aggressive. [https://youtu.be/7Mq3afxSgqs?t=292](https://youtu.be/7Mq3afxSgqs?t=292) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-will-not-debate-biden-on-june-27-2024-or-thereafter-either/1002493.md?page=13) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-will-not-debate-biden-on-june-27-2024-or-thereafter-either/1002493.md?page=15)