# Trump will not debate Biden on June 27, 2024, or thereafter either **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [June 5, 2024, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-will-not-debate-biden-on-june-27-2024-or-thereafter-either/1002493 "2024-06-05T01:26:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![dougrb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/76d3ee/32.png) [@dougrb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dougrb)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2024, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-will-not-debate-biden-on-june-27-2024-or-thereafter-either/1002493/281 "2024-06-19T00:39:46Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > My friends don’t make clickbait videos. They have been getting clickbaity lately ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2024, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-will-not-debate-biden-on-june-27-2024-or-thereafter-either/1002493/282 "2024-06-19T00:52:37Z")
> [@dougrb](#): > > Dr. Ronnie Jackson Don’t you mean “Ronny Johnson”?.🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2024, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-will-not-debate-biden-on-june-27-2024-or-thereafter-either/1002493/283 "2024-06-19T00:53:11Z")
Because clickbait works. It provably and significantly works. ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2024, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-will-not-debate-biden-on-june-27-2024-or-thereafter-either/1002493/284 "2024-06-19T00:57:48Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > Not my friend. My friends don’t make clickbait videos. If there is an issue, it’s not that it’s clickbait _per se_; rather, the lads of MeidasTouch will take _any_ Trump or surrogate or other GOP asshole quote and turn it into a lonnnnggg video that is not quite deserving of the time spent watching. Other than that, I don’t have many issues with their content. ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2024, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-will-not-debate-biden-on-june-27-2024-or-thereafter-either/1002493/285 "2024-06-19T00:59:38Z")
Yup, and I bet he’s going to the Turkish bath to steam off the water weight and look like DYNAMITE for the big night! ---
**Author:** ![Jihi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jihi/32/17768_2.png) [@Jihi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jihi)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2024, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-will-not-debate-biden-on-june-27-2024-or-thereafter-either/1002493/286 "2024-06-19T01:19:59Z")
I’ll agree with those that are positing that MeidasTouch has clickbaity titles. It does seem to be getting worse recently but there has been a lot of big news recently as well. The actual content is usually pretty good even if it does sound a little similar to a thread on this board sometimes. ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2024, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-will-not-debate-biden-on-june-27-2024-or-thereafter-either/1002493/287 "2024-06-19T01:29:40Z")
> [@Leaper](#): > > Because clickbait works. It provably and significantly works. It isn’t just that it works but that it’s the only way to please the algorithim gods. ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2024, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-will-not-debate-biden-on-june-27-2024-or-thereafter-either/1002493/288 "2024-06-19T01:30:18Z")
> [@Aeschines](#): > > If there is an issue, it’s not that it’s clickbait _per se_; rather, the lads of MeidasTouch will take _any_ Trump or surrogate or other GOP asshole quote and turn it into a lonnnnggg video that is not quite deserving of the time spent watching. This is accurate. A lot of times I’ll click on their video and turn it off after a minute or two because they don’t really have anything to say. ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2024, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-will-not-debate-biden-on-june-27-2024-or-thereafter-either/1002493/289 "2024-06-19T01:33:12Z")
Indeed! ---
**Author:** ![DWMarch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dwmarch/32/1010_2.png) [@DWMarch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DWMarch)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2024, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-will-not-debate-biden-on-june-27-2024-or-thereafter-either/1002493/290 "2024-06-19T02:05:32Z")
> [@Odesio](#): > > This is accurate. A lot of times I’ll click on their video and turn it off after a minute or two because they don’t really have anything to say. I’m pretty sure this is a Youtube thing where videos have to be padded out to ten minutes to maximize the ad revenue. I have noticed this channel and a bunch of others doing videos that are ten minutes long and very repetitive. ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2024, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-will-not-debate-biden-on-june-27-2024-or-thereafter-either/1002493/291 "2024-06-19T02:10:21Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > If trump cancels at the last Minute, will CNN allow Biden to debate an empty chair? Seriously? I think there would be an advertising issue. Unlike the Commission on Presidential Debates productions, which were advertising-free, the CNN production is a Super-Bowl type of ad buy. I cannot believe advertisers would pay much for a broadcast where Joe Biden gives a ninety minute speech. They wouldn’t even pay what they do for normal CNN programming. If I was Susie Wiles, I’d advise Trump to threaten to not debate. Anything to draw attention away from popular Biden policies such as on abortion is a plus for Trump. I think this news today is another example of a popular Biden policy Trump should be trying to shout over: [Biden offers path to citizenship to spouses of US citizens](https://www.reuters.com/world/us/biden-offers-path-citizenship-spouses-us-citizens-election-year-gambit-2024-06-18/) As for Trump actually not debating, that would show a lack of his typical cunning. He debated Hillary Clinton. He debated Biden before. The reasons to debate have not changed. The thread title underestimates the adversary. While adversaries sometimes make mistakes, do not count on it. ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2024, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-will-not-debate-biden-on-june-27-2024-or-thereafter-either/1002493/292 "2024-06-19T02:26:35Z")
I believe you’re right. ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2024, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-will-not-debate-biden-on-june-27-2024-or-thereafter-either/1002493/293 "2024-06-19T02:29:25Z")
> [@PhillyGuy](#): > > He debated Biden before. He also ditched a Biden debate. > [@](#): > > The reasons to debate have not changed. But the reasons _not_ to debate _have_ changed. > [@](#): > > The thread title underestimates the adversary. While adversaries sometimes make mistakes, do not count on it. Au contraire, for Trump, showing up would be the big mistake. ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2024, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-will-not-debate-biden-on-june-27-2024-or-thereafter-either/1002493/294 "2024-06-19T02:35:44Z")
> [@Aeschines](#): > > Au contraire, for Trump, showing up would be the big mistake. Trump wouldn’t even debate other Republicans seeking to be the GOP’s nomination this year. And he didn’t debate them because there was nothing to gain. It could only have hurt him. He has nothing to gain from debating Biden and only something to lose. I’m not going to bet the farm that Trump won’t debate, but I’m going to be surprised if he does. ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2024, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-will-not-debate-biden-on-june-27-2024-or-thereafter-either/1002493/295 "2024-06-19T02:38:04Z")
Right! He has nothing to gain in debating Biden because he knows he can’t land any punches but will be pummeled with his 34 felonies and infinite other opprobrious conduct. He has something to lose if Biden seems cognitively with it while Trump doesn’t. It’s a losing proposition for him all around. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2024, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-will-not-debate-biden-on-june-27-2024-or-thereafter-either/1002493/296 "2024-06-19T02:41:54Z")
> [@Odesio](#): > > Trump wouldn’t even debate other Republicans seeking to be the GOP’s nomination this year. And he didn’t debate them because there was nothing to gain. It could only have hurt him. He didn’t debate them because he thought it was a waste of time. He had the same attitude in the 2016 debates. He’s gone on record as saying he sees the general debate differently. More to the point, this debate was his idea. If he backs out now he’ll look like the coward, not Biden. I think a lot of you are underestimating the amount of self-inflicted ego damage he would suffer by dropping out. ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2024, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-will-not-debate-biden-on-june-27-2024-or-thereafter-either/1002493/297 "2024-06-19T02:45:25Z")
> [@Aeschines](#): > > He also ditched a Biden debate. Not every debate. > [@Aeschines](#): > > But the reasons _not_ to debate _have_ changed. If you mean that Trump is going to show age-related memory loss, probably, but so may Biden. And it’s worse if it happens to Biden, because competence is his lane. Blowing up normality is Trump’s lane, so saying dumb stuff doesn’t hurt his brand as much. And by election day, June debate performance will be forgotten by swing and uncertain-to-vote voters. All that will be remembered is the fact that neither man chickened out of debating. ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2024, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-will-not-debate-biden-on-june-27-2024-or-thereafter-either/1002493/298 "2024-06-19T02:47:35Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > He didn’t debate them because he thought it was a waste of time. He had the same attitude in the 2016 debates. He’s gone on record as saying he sees the general debate differently. You’ll understand why I don’t take Trump’s word at face value. If he told me the sky was blue I’d still have to double check for myself. > [@Smapti](#): > > More to the point, this debate was his idea. If he backs out now he’ll look like the coward, not Biden. I think a lot of you are underestimating the amount of self-inflicted ego damage he would suffer by dropping out. You have a valid point and it’s why I’m not absolutely convinced Trump won’t show up. But ever since Biden took him up on his challenge, Trump has been laying the groundwork to allow him to bow out while saving face. But like his pre-election and pre-trial customs of saying it’s all rigged, he could just be laying the groundwork to save face when he does poorly and complains afterward about how the debate was rigged in Biden’s favor. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2024, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-will-not-debate-biden-on-june-27-2024-or-thereafter-either/1002493/299 "2024-06-19T03:00:43Z")
> [@PhillyGuy](#): > > Seriously? > > I think there would be an advertising issue. No, it was a joke, sorry. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2024, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-will-not-debate-biden-on-june-27-2024-or-thereafter-either/1002493/300 "2024-06-19T03:01:26Z")
As I pointed out a few days ago, he’s bragging that he agreed to the debate and “now CNN doesn’t know what to do”. In his mind, he thinks he called CNN’s bluff by agreeing to their terms, and now he has Sleepy Joe right where he wants him. Trump absolutely believes the Sleepy Joe stuff, BTW; the only reason he issued his challenge in the first place, IMO, is because he assumed Biden’s “handlers” would force him to say no. Or, to put it in meme format; [![](https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-b6a015155502f5095d3079f0db2fe6bf) ](https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-b6a015155502f5095d3079f0db2fe6bf) The rest of his bluster is the standard boilerplate “If I lose it was rigged” stuff he does all the time. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-will-not-debate-biden-on-june-27-2024-or-thereafter-either/1002493.md?page=14) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-will-not-debate-biden-on-june-27-2024-or-thereafter-either/1002493.md?page=16)