# Trump will not debate Biden on June 27, 2024, or thereafter either **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [June 5, 2024, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-will-not-debate-biden-on-june-27-2024-or-thereafter-either/1002493 "2024-06-05T01:26:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 34
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2024, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-will-not-debate-biden-on-june-27-2024-or-thereafter-either/1002493/661 "2024-06-26T19:32:58Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > I’m going to go out on a limb and say it won’t be horrifying (though that depends on your definition of the word). His answers will be empty and hollow but not particularly interesting. It’s not hard to answer every question with some form of “I did it the best, lots of people are saying the best ever” and “Sleepy Joe is doing it the worst, people say he’s the worst president ever.” He may be in decline but it doesn’t take much to give answers like that. You may well be right in this characterization. But what that boils down to is: _ **boring** _. And for Trump, reviews that are headlined “boring” would be a nightmare of, yes, horrifying proportions. He will _much_ prefer that people spend their time focusing on the Veepstakes. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2024, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-will-not-debate-biden-on-june-27-2024-or-thereafter-either/1002493/662 "2024-06-26T23:05:22Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > Trump has picked his running mate and apparently hasn’t told them yet. Always the self-aggrandizing showman! But also a habitual liar, so I’d put the odds very high that this kind of meaningless unprovable claptrap is almost certainly untrue. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2024, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-will-not-debate-biden-on-june-27-2024-or-thereafter-either/1002493/663 "2024-06-26T23:20:01Z")
> [@TriPolar](#): > > We’ll find out tomorrow if the OP is right. The debate will probably happen, but with Trump you never know. He’ll be there now. I agree that giving Biden 90 minutes to answer questions and rip Trump is too risky. “Trump the Coward” would be the take away. ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2024, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-will-not-debate-biden-on-june-27-2024-or-thereafter-either/1002493/664 "2024-06-26T23:48:47Z")
Moist Americans apparently disagree with the thread proposition: [Most Americans plan to watch the Biden-Trump debate](https://apnews.com/article/poll-biden-trump-debate-apnorc-cc9e16ef147507162e22c96ddb889ee8) > [@](#): > > About 6 in 10 U.S. adults say they are “extremely” or “very” likely to watch the debate live or in clips, or read about or listen to commentary about the performance of the candidates in the news or social media. Even though I am pro-pollster, this one does sound ridiculous. While I don’t necessarily want to see clips, walking around a house where others watch TV, it will be hard to avoid. As to whether this indicates high interest in the debate, or the election, who knows? A quick 2020-limited google search failed to find a comparable poll from four years ago. ---
**Author:** ![SuntanLotion](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suntanlotion/32/16165_2.png) [@SuntanLotion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SuntanLotion)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2024, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-will-not-debate-biden-on-june-27-2024-or-thereafter-either/1002493/665 "2024-06-26T23:50:19Z")
😉 I will dryly watch it. ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2024, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-will-not-debate-biden-on-june-27-2024-or-thereafter-either/1002493/666 "2024-06-26T23:52:58Z")
> [@SuntanLotion](#): > > 😉 I will dryly watch it. I would have corrected that, but I’ll keep it as is so your post makes sense. Personally, I don’t want to see it, dry, moist, or sopping wet. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2024, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-will-not-debate-biden-on-june-27-2024-or-thereafter-either/1002493/667 "2024-06-27T00:02:07Z")
I took tomorrow off work specifically so I could watch, so Convict Donald had BETTER not chicken out or my evening is ruined. ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2024, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-will-not-debate-biden-on-june-27-2024-or-thereafter-either/1002493/668 "2024-06-27T00:10:32Z")
> [@PhillyGuy](#): > > Moist Americans apparently disagree with the thread proposition: Though that’s not about assessing whether Trump will show; it’s about stating the percentage of Americans who plan to watch. I plan to watch too! As I’ve said, I do hope the debate takes place. Re my OP… Trump’s approach to this whole thing–no surprise–has been messier than the diarrhea in his diapers. Instead of just saying he’ll debate and showing up, it’s been an infinite amount of negative, cope-y messaging from him and his surrogates. He’s gonna get slaughtered at the debate, and he and everyone else knows it. He seems weak as fuck, and his cognitive glitching is worse than ever. The decline is rapid, the insanity is extreme even for Trump. I think now his chance of ditching is about 25%–still palpable. ---
**Author:** ![dougrb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/76d3ee/32.png) [@dougrb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dougrb)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2024, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-will-not-debate-biden-on-june-27-2024-or-thereafter-either/1002493/669 "2024-06-27T00:17:11Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > so Convict Donald had BETTER not chicken out or my evening is ruined. My sentiments in post #607. If the headline comedian doesn’t show up it’s a bust. I have a party planned. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2024, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-will-not-debate-biden-on-june-27-2024-or-thereafter-either/1002493/670 "2024-06-27T00:17:26Z")
“Biden, why did you personally kill those people by allowing those the killer illegals to enter the country? I will stop them all!” ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2024, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-will-not-debate-biden-on-june-27-2024-or-thereafter-either/1002493/671 "2024-06-27T00:23:23Z")
Right. As if there were no murders by undocumented immigrants in the years 2017 - 2021. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2024, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-will-not-debate-biden-on-june-27-2024-or-thereafter-either/1002493/672 "2024-06-27T00:25:19Z")
> [@Aeschines](#): > > As if there were no murders by undocumented immigrants in the years 2017 - 2021. That fact does not matter. Voters are clearly not interested in facts. ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2024, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-will-not-debate-biden-on-june-27-2024-or-thereafter-either/1002493/673 "2024-06-27T00:32:31Z")
It’s all MEMES ‘n’ TINGS dese days, yo! ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2024, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-will-not-debate-biden-on-june-27-2024-or-thereafter-either/1002493/674 "2024-06-27T02:25:46Z")
> [@Aeschines](#): > > I think now his chance of ditching is about 25%–still palpable. It’s kind of amazing that less than 24 hours out now you are still clinging to this idea that he might cancel. He’s obviously going to be there. You were wrong - no big deal, we’re all wrong about stuff all the time. But I do wonder when Trump shows up tomorrow and doesn’t flame out spectacularly, if it will cause you to take a moment and re-evaluate this: > [@Aeschines](#): > > He seems weak as fuck, and his cognitive glitching is worse than ever. The decline is rapid, the insanity is extreme even for Trump. This is much of the basis of your argument in your other thread about Trump not being the GOP nominee. I really, really wish you were right about this, but you’re not. He is not going to crash out of this debate or this campaign because of dementia/Alzheimers/what-have-you. It’s a dream. I wish it would happen (in fact, I literally had a dream months ago that he shat himself on stage at a rally and it caused him to withdraw). In any sane world the GOP and the voters in this country would have abandoned him long ago, but it will not happen before the election, which he stands a terrifyingly good change of actually winning. We will not be saved by this kind of _deus ex machina_. ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2024, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-will-not-debate-biden-on-june-27-2024-or-thereafter-either/1002493/675 "2024-06-27T02:57:09Z")
> [@ShadowFacts](#): > > It’s kind of amazing that less than 24 hours out now you are still clinging to this idea that he might cancel. A few weeks ago I was fairly sure Trump wouldn’t debate Biden. As the debate draws ever closer, I revised my thinking and now believe it is more likely that Trump will show up. There’s still a little doubt in the back of my mind though. It’ll certainly surprise me if Trump cancels but it won’t shock me. > [@ShadowFacts](#): > > In any sane world the GOP and the voters in this country would have abandoned him long ago, but it will not happen before the election, which he stands a terrifyingly good change of actually winning. We’re long past the point of thinking there’s something that Trump can do to turn his core followers away from him. While I was never a Trump supporter, it wasn’t until January 6, 2021 that I realized his core supporters would follow him if he rebelled against God and laid siege to heaven itself. That’s what you get for going woke, Lamb of God. You’re right. The GOP is not going to abandon Trump no matter how poorly he does in the debate. They will do what they’ve been doing for the last 8 years, burying their heads in the sands and ignoring all the warning signs from Trump. ---
**Author:** ![ParallelLines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/parallellines/32/3575_2.png) [@ParallelLines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParallelLines)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2024, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-will-not-debate-biden-on-june-27-2024-or-thereafter-either/1002493/676 "2024-06-27T03:06:19Z")
Right now, I’m leaning toward a version of Czarcasm’s (and others to be clear) interpretation: > [@Czarcasm](#): > > My prediction: Trump shows up, tries to turn it into a Trump Media Event, is shut down, walks away…and claims he was kicked out. Much like when Trump walked out of the 60 Minutes Interview. In fact, I could see him make his first statement or so, expecting that the moderators may be slightly hesitant to mute him right off the bat, and then the moment it’s Biden’s turn to speak, to try to talk over him, if muted (as he should be) he’ll do the whole “throw up hands in air”, leave, and have a rally on the steps where he’ll tell his fans that he was winning so they silenced him. And if he does a half-way decent job on his one opening rant, that’ll all that Fox will have to play, and CNN will have a much harder time rebutting his performance since he just walked away after a single statement. ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2024, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-will-not-debate-biden-on-june-27-2024-or-thereafter-either/1002493/677 "2024-06-27T03:10:22Z")
> [@ShadowFacts](#): > > It’s kind of amazing that less than 24 hours out now you are still clinging to this idea that he might cancel. He’s obviously going to be there. You were wrong - no big deal, we’re all wrong about stuff all the time. When the debate happens, I will come in here and say, “I was wrong.” Is it “amazing,” though? He has pissed (and shit in his diaper) and moaned until the very end. He’s a pathetic POS. > [@](#): > > But I do wonder when Trump shows up tomorrow and doesn’t flame out spectacularly, if it will cause you to take a moment and re-evaluate this: If he shows up and _does_ flame out, I hope you will come to this thread and say, “I was wrong,” yourself! > [@](#): > > This is much of the basis of your argument in your other thread about Trump not being the GOP nominee. I really, really wish you were right about this, but you’re not. He is not going to crash out of this debate or this campaign because of dementia/Alzheimers/what-have-you. Any particular reason for your confidence beyond the “Trump is just invulnerable!” trope? > [@](#): > > In any sane world the GOP and the voters in this country would have abandoned him long ago, but it will not happen before the election, which he stands a terrifyingly good change of actually winning. We will not be saved by this kind of _deus ex machina_. If he is actually on the ballot, he is going to lose massively. No god from the machine necessary, my friend. ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2024, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-will-not-debate-biden-on-june-27-2024-or-thereafter-either/1002493/678 "2024-06-27T03:13:39Z")
> [@Odesio](#): > > While I was never a Trump supporter, it wasn’t until January 6, 2021 that I realized his core supporters would follow him if he rebelled against God and laid siege to heaven itself. It all comes down to game theory, really. They are fascists, and he is their Hitler, and they are going for broke. If he wins, great! They will support his evil reign. If he loses, they will scurry like rats into the crevices. Oops, never mind all that. They have earned the name “deplorable,” and the stain on their character is eternal. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2024, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-will-not-debate-biden-on-june-27-2024-or-thereafter-either/1002493/679 "2024-06-27T03:41:14Z")
> [@ShadowFacts](#): > > > [@Aeschines](#): > > > > I think now his chance of ditching is about 25%–still palpable. > > It’s kind of amazing that less than 24 hours out now you are still clinging to this idea that he might cancel. He’s obviously going to be there. I think so, too, but there are presumably knowledgeable observers out there who still think Trump is going to wimp out. There’s a recent op-ed in USA Today where the writer is convinced Trump won’t show because he knows it would be a disaster for him, though I don’t think either of those things is true. Trump will not perform well because he’s a moron, but as always it will be good enough for his idiot supporters. I was going to link to the op-ed but Discourse informs me that @Mahaloth already posted a link upthread. The article was published very recently, either yesterday or Monday. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2024, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-will-not-debate-biden-on-june-27-2024-or-thereafter-either/1002493/680 "2024-06-27T03:59:42Z")
> [@ParallelLines](#): > > In fact, I could see him make his first statement or so, expecting that the moderators may be slightly hesitant to mute him right off the bat, and then the moment it’s Biden’s turn to speak, to try to talk over him, if muted (as he should be) he’ll do the whole “throw up hands in air”, leave, and have a rally on the steps where he’ll tell his fans that he was winning so they silenced him. He’s gonna have to announce that rally about a week ago if he expects any MAGAs to be loitering around CNN HQ on Techwood Drive on a Thursday evening. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-will-not-debate-biden-on-june-27-2024-or-thereafter-either/1002493.md?page=33) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-will-not-debate-biden-on-june-27-2024-or-thereafter-either/1002493.md?page=35)