# Trump won't be the Republican party nominee in 2024 **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [January 29, 2024, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-wont-be-the-republican-party-nominee-in-2024/996834 "2024-01-29T20:25:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 34
**Author:** ![Stratocaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stratocaster/32/16393_2.png) [@Stratocaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stratocaster)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2024, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-wont-be-the-republican-party-nominee-in-2024/996834/661 "2024-04-17T01:31:04Z")
Hey, I didn’t say that… ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2024, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-wont-be-the-republican-party-nominee-in-2024/996834/662 "2024-04-17T01:36:41Z")
Apologies, it was Horatius. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2024, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-wont-be-the-republican-party-nominee-in-2024/996834/663 "2024-04-17T01:50:29Z")
I think it varies for Trumper to Trumper. 1. Some of them have fully drunk the Flavoraide, and are convinced that he is god on earth and that anything said against him is fake news conjured by the Devil himself. 2. Then you have those who think that he has some rough edges, but overall is doing the right thing. 3. Finnlly there are those who recognize that he’s scum, but think that all politicians are scum and at least he’s is their scum. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2024, 9:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-wont-be-the-republican-party-nominee-in-2024/996834/664 "2024-04-17T09:48:54Z")
> [@PhillyGuy](#): > > But in terms of what he is responsible to do, it is low stress. Compare to bring a waiter when you can’t afford to lose your job — now, that is high stress. But this is uniquely high-stress for Trump. He’s not used to be told to sit down and shut up. He truly believes that he should be allowed to do or say anything he wants, every minute of the day. This may be the first time in his life he’s ever had to do anything that he wasn’t in complete control of, following someone else’s schedule, and not being allowed to fire someone if they don’t kiss his ass. ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2024, 1:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-wont-be-the-republican-party-nominee-in-2024/996834/665 "2024-04-17T13:26:00Z")
Agree with you. A characteristic of MAGA is that they _love_ that Trump is a transgressor. Such fucking scum. ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2024, 1:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-wont-be-the-republican-party-nominee-in-2024/996834/666 "2024-04-17T13:29:32Z")
> [@chappachula](#): > > Yeah, all 6 points are true, but to declare that Trump will physically die because of them is…well, weird. He said that Trump _could_ die. I agree. There’s no question in my mind that the stress will move him closer to a level of incapacitation whereat he simply won’t be able to continue his candidacy. > [@](#): > > Death certificates must be signed by a doctor, who states the cause of death in medical terms, such as “cholesterol blockage in aortal vein”. There is no medical cause of death called “pissed off at the court system , with no wife to hug”. Yup. The author didn’t say otherwise. He was mostly saying why the trial will be terrible for Trump. The possibility of death was secondary. ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2024, 1:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-wont-be-the-republican-party-nominee-in-2024/996834/667 "2024-04-17T13:30:05Z")
Something very close to this. ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2024, 1:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-wont-be-the-republican-party-nominee-in-2024/996834/668 "2024-04-17T13:34:37Z")
> [@chappachula](#): > > The article in your link is from the Kos, so it’s full of the typical hyperbole that feeds their rage and sounds good only inside their social bubble. If you’re a Democrat, then I don’t get this level of hostility towards kos. It’s _explicitly_ a site that cheers on the Democratic party. Plus, people constantly fail to distinguish between staff articles and diaries. This was a diary. The quality can range between that of pro journalism to complete trash. Staff articles are more or less uniformly excellent and written in a sober style. So no, I don’t agree. ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2024, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-wont-be-the-republican-party-nominee-in-2024/996834/669 "2024-04-17T13:39:09Z")
It’s clear they have no contingency plan in place. Hell, I don’t think they even have a plan of what to do _after_ they give the shambling mound the nomination. I am more confident than when I wrote the OP, however, that His Orangeness will not even make it to the convention. Trump looks terrible and is barely holding it together, mentally and physically. Plus, he may very well be put in the slammer as a result of the NY trial. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2024, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-wont-be-the-republican-party-nominee-in-2024/996834/670 "2024-04-17T16:02:42Z")
> [@Aeschines](#): > > Hell, I don’t think they even have a plan of what to do _after_ they give the shambling mound the nomination. Remember how on 2020 they did not even approve an official platform… basically just said “we’ll go on backing whatever HE comes up with”. ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2024, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-wont-be-the-republican-party-nominee-in-2024/996834/671 "2024-04-17T16:11:57Z")
There can be a difference between cheerleading and deluding oneself. I’m as liberal and progressive as the rest of us here, and always look for signs of reassurance, but I do try to temper that by filtering it through the cold light of day, as it were. I’m sure Kos has some sober, leveled articles from time to time—maybe even often—and that’s great, but let’s not fall into the same trap of emotional thinking the other side tends to. ---
**Author:** ![ParallelLines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/parallellines/32/3575_2.png) [@ParallelLines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParallelLines)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2024, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-wont-be-the-republican-party-nominee-in-2024/996834/672 "2024-04-17T16:17:23Z")
> [@PhillyGuy](#): > > But in terms of what he is responsible to do, it is low stress. Compare to bring a waiter when you can’t afford to lose your job — now, that is high stress. Disagree - in addition to the points @Horatius made (in that Trump has likely _never_ had to shut up and have someone in power over him other than his father, which is a huge part of what Trump is IMHO) there’s the substantial evidence (not proof) that these trials, especially the one in NYC will _break_ his image of being wealthy, powerful, and successful. In my read of Trump, that’s a hell of a lot more important than a prison sentence, which, as I’ve stated in other threads, he’s likely to get reduced to house arrest at most given his age and probable actual health once his obfuscating doctors aren’t allowed. He’d rather be rich and admired even under house arrest than poor, broke and _ignored_ even if he was completely free. So yeah, he’s under a lot of stress. Granted, he’s self-obsessed enough to also believe that he can skate past this as he has so many times before, and likely sufficiently insulated _normally_ to be mostly comfortable in those assumptions. But in court, being forced to see it, hear it, and not be able to respond? Yeah, much higher than normal stress for him. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2024, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-wont-be-the-republican-party-nominee-in-2024/996834/673 "2024-04-17T22:57:38Z")
> [@Horatius](#): > > He truly believes that he should be allowed to do or say anything he wants, every minute of the day. Not even “allowed” – entitled is more like it, since no one has the right to tell him what to do, not even some Demonrat judge. ---
**Author:** ![flurb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/51bf81/32.png) [@flurb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flurb)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2024, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-wont-be-the-republican-party-nominee-in-2024/996834/674 "2024-04-18T00:02:06Z")
> [@Aeschines](#): > > If you’re a Democrat, then I don’t get this level of hostility towards kos. It’s _explicitly_ a site that cheers on the Democratic party. Plus, people constantly fail to distinguish between staff articles and diaries. This was a diary. The quality can range between that of pro journalism to complete trash. Staff articles are more or less uniformly excellent and written in a sober style. I certainly disagree that hostility toward _Daily Kos_ is some sort of litmus test of whether someone is a “true” Democrat. I agree that they’ve had some insightful staff articles (although I personally think most of the community articles are trash) but you’re often only getting half an argument – i.e. the data and information they cite are factually correct and their arguments valid, but they tend to ignore or offhandedly discount conflicting arguments and information. It’s an outlet by partisans for partisans. And that’s fine. Just not my cup of tea. ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2024, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-wont-be-the-republican-party-nominee-in-2024/996834/675 "2024-04-18T00:58:48Z")
I don’t think kos leads us into incorrect thinking. If things are bad, people tend to say that they are, and the staff articles provide facts and ways to deal with things we might not like (as do some of the diaries). I think it’s a great site to keep up to date on politics from the perspective of our side, and it also suffices to cover a lot of my general news coverage needs. I’m a fan. ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2024, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-wont-be-the-republican-party-nominee-in-2024/996834/676 "2024-04-18T01:08:34Z")
> [@flurb](#): > > I certainly disagree that hostility toward _Daily Kos_ is some sort of litmus test of whether someone is a “true” Democrat. I agree but think that, if one _is_ a Democrat, then there is not a lot to hate there. > [@](#): > > I agree that they’ve had some insightful staff articles (although I personally think most of the community articles are trash) I think the staff articles tend to be really good. Diaries are maybe 20% trash, 20% excellent, the rest being between those poles. > [@](#): > > but you’re often only getting half an argument – i.e. the data and information they cite are factually correct and their arguments valid, but they tend to ignore or offhandedly discount conflicting arguments and information. Don’t know. I think the staff articles tend to present the dangers we face (where applicable) without Pollyanna-style thinking. > [@](#): > > It’s an outlet by partisans for partisans. And that’s fine. Just not my cup of tea. Here’s da thing… How many sites online are any fucking good these days anyway? I typically read kos and [salon.com](http://salon.com) for the liberal perspective, then it’s onto _if needed_ The Atlantic, The New Republic, The Nation, and The Guardian, but those sites tend not to have a whole lot of real-time coverage of stuff. [Slate.com](http://Slate.com) used to be good for politics but has fallen far from its heights. ---
**Author:** ![Dung\_Beetle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dung_beetle/32/7945_2.png) [@Dung\_Beetle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dung_Beetle)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2024, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-wont-be-the-republican-party-nominee-in-2024/996834/677 "2024-04-18T01:10:49Z")
I don’t pay attention to Kos because I don’t want to be fluffed. I’ve suffered enough disappointment in the last few years. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2024, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-wont-be-the-republican-party-nominee-in-2024/996834/678 "2024-04-18T01:32:30Z")
> [@Aeschines](#): > > then there is not a lot to hate there. There’s a difference between hating it and treating it with the skepticism it, like all explicitly biased sources, deserves. Keep linking to it if you want, but people are going to keep pointing out that it is by definition not an objective source. And if you’re linking to what’s essentially some dude’s blog, expect even more pushback. Kos doesn’t get a free pass just because it’s liberal and so am I. > [@Dung\_Beetle](#): > > I don’t pay attention to Kos because I don’t want to be fluffed. Absolutely. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2024, 5:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-wont-be-the-republican-party-nominee-in-2024/996834/679 "2024-04-18T05:54:25Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > Kos doesn’t get a free pass just because it’s liberal and so am I. > > > [@Dung\_Beetle](#): > > > > I don’t pay attention to Kos because I don’t want to be fluffed. > > Absolutely. This feels to me like it’s getting away from the core question about whether or not Trump will be the GOP nominee (obviously he will, I mean, come on), so I started a new thread. > [@On the difference between the Left and the Right and their relationship to their partisan media](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-the-difference-between-the-left-and-the-right-and-their-relationship-to-their-partisan-media/1000448): > > Starting a new topic because I thought the emerging sidebar in [Trump won't be the Republican party nominee in 2024](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-wont-be-the-republican-party-nominee-in-2024/996834/678) warranted its own discussion: Absolutely. It feels to me, personally, like people on the Left and people on the Right have different relationships between the partisan media that cheerlead for their respective political viewpoints. Just consider the relative levels of success between Fox, very right-wing, and MSNBC, which has a number of progressive personalities on air. It see… ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2024, 1:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-wont-be-the-republican-party-nominee-in-2024/996834/680 "2024-04-18T13:21:22Z")
He’s already trying to court other leaders and burnish his foreign policy chops, such as they are. Do the leaders of other countries generally meet with the party’s non-incumbent nominees before the election? “See, he can be Presidential! Why doesn’t Biden care about Poland?” > **[Trump says 'We're behind Poland' as he meets with President Duda](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/trump-meets-poland-president-duda-rcna148338)** > > Duda, whose term in office expires in 2025, was one of Trump’s preferred international partners during his 2017-2021 presidency and they have described themselves as friends. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-wont-be-the-republican-party-nominee-in-2024/996834.md?page=33) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-wont-be-the-republican-party-nominee-in-2024/996834.md?page=35)