# Trump won't be the Republican party nominee in 2024 **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [January 29, 2024, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-wont-be-the-republican-party-nominee-in-2024/996834 "2024-01-29T20:25:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 35
**Author:** ![chappachula](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/d2c977/32.png) [@chappachula](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chappachula)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2024, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-wont-be-the-republican-party-nominee-in-2024/996834/681 "2024-04-18T15:15:33Z")
> [@Love\_Rhombus](#): > > Do the leaders of other countries generally meet with the party’s non-incumbent nominees before the election? Barack Obama made a grand tour of Europe, meeting with lots of prime ministers before he was the official nominee, in 2008.He got a particularly enthusiastic reception in Berlin. . . . (by the way, on an off-topic but humorous note: That visit prompted my favorite political cartoon of all time. The cartoonist drew Obama speaking at the Berlin Wall, in the same spot that JFK had made his most famous speech in 1963. And the caption was Obama saying “ich bin ein Beginner.” 😉 ) ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2024, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-wont-be-the-republican-party-nominee-in-2024/996834/682 "2024-04-18T15:28:47Z")
> [@chappachula](#): > > Barack Obama made a grand tour of Europe, meeting with lots of prime ministers before he was the official nominee, in 2008.He got a particularly enthusiastic reception in Berlin. I’d forgotten about that, thanks for the reminder! ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2024, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-wont-be-the-republican-party-nominee-in-2024/996834/683 "2024-04-18T16:06:26Z")
> [@chappachula](#): > > The cartoonist drew Obama speaking at the Berlin Wall, in the same spot that JFK had made his most famous speech in 1963. And the caption was Obama saying “ich bin ein Beginner.” There was an identical cartoon of Bill Clinton a few months into his first term (so, mid-1993), but it was more a mild critique of his niavete in trying to push through progressive policies in his first 100 days, like (oh, the horrors!) gays in the military. ---
**Author:** ![aurora\_maire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aurora_maire/32/328_2.png) [@aurora\_maire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aurora_maire)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2024, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-wont-be-the-republican-party-nominee-in-2024/996834/684 "2024-04-18T20:43:32Z")
> [@Love\_Rhombus](#): > > Do the leaders of other countries generally meet with the party’s non-incumbent nominees before the election? > [@chappachula](#): > > Barack Obama made a grand tour of Europe, meeting with lots of prime ministers before he was the official nominee, in 2008. But those visits were on the other leaders’ turfs. Have heads of state ever before met with a nominee in the U.S., skipping the actual President? That’s a pretty brazen act. I guess with the rising authoritarianism across the globe, those fuckers want to show solidarity. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2024, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-wont-be-the-republican-party-nominee-in-2024/996834/685 "2024-04-18T22:10:41Z")
> [@aurora\_maire](#): > > But those visits were on the other leaders’ turfs. Have heads of state ever before met with a nominee in the U.S., skipping the actual President? Interestingly, if (when, I hope) Biden is re-elected, and the president of Poland needs help from the USA… Biden will give it gladly because he’s a statesman and an adult and not a petulant toddler. ---
**Author:** ![sciurophobic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cab0a1/32.png) [@sciurophobic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sciurophobic)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2024, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-wont-be-the-republican-party-nominee-in-2024/996834/686 "2024-04-19T19:45:39Z")
I don’t doubt he’ll be the nominee, but what will they do about his convention speech? Schedule it at 2 a.m. so nobody hears his incoherent ramblings? And that’s even if they make him use a teleprompter. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2024, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-wont-be-the-republican-party-nominee-in-2024/996834/687 "2024-04-19T22:07:55Z")
Most of it will be speaking at length about how “they” won’t let him speak. ---
**Author:** ![Jihi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jihi/32/17768_2.png) [@Jihi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jihi)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2024, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-wont-be-the-republican-party-nominee-in-2024/996834/688 "2024-04-20T02:20:39Z")
I can imagine him wandering around on stage trying to randomly intimidate people. While spouting incoherent gibberish about how everything is unfair. Kind of like a roomba with tourette’s. ---
**Author:** ![Stratocaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stratocaster/32/16393_2.png) [@Stratocaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stratocaster)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2024, 10:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-wont-be-the-republican-party-nominee-in-2024/996834/689 "2024-04-20T10:10:26Z")
Okay, that was lol good. ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2024, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-wont-be-the-republican-party-nominee-in-2024/996834/690 "2024-04-23T01:44:58Z")
This is good: > **["The alternate reality Trump lives in is crumbling" with first criminal...](https://www.salon.com/2024/04/22/the-alternate-reality-lives-in-is-crumbling-with-first-criminal-trial-ex-prosecutor/)** > > "I think that Donald Trump is probably trying to get himself thrown into prison" > [@](#): > > I don’t know what the Republican Party is going to do if he implodes over the next few months, which is what I believe will likely happen. They don’t have a plan B. The Republicans have put themselves in an untenable situation, politically and morally. They are in danger of becoming a permanent minority party for the next couple of decades, comprised of angry white folks seething in their own sense of victimhood. Yeah, Trump looks like fucking _dogmeat_ in this trial. He is their bitch, he is guilty as fuck, and he is being flayed and grilled in real time. The MAGA Party has no Plan B–no plan at fucking all! “Trump’s our candidate um yeah, herpa derpa!.” Not good enough, dickheads! The whole GOP is going all the way fucking DOWN, sayō-fuckin’-NARA, baby! ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2024, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-wont-be-the-republican-party-nominee-in-2024/996834/691 "2024-04-23T02:35:46Z")
That Salon article is strange. Maybe Trump will start with verbal outbursts in the courtroom — Judge Merchan has surely seen them before — but the stories of Donald napping suggest otherwise. As to him wanting to be convicted, that’s silly — but there’s a sure fire way — plead guilty on all counts. Trump will not do it. As for a plexiglass cage for the defendant, that’s never used in the United States, as the author knows, so why mention it? Being indicted four times did not hurt Trump in the polls. Having a jury determine he did you know what in a Fifth Avenue department store didn’t hurt him in the polls. This trial is getting more publicity, so it might bump him down a few points, for a few weeks, if convicted. But it’s a fantasy to think anything other than actual extended imprisonment would knock him out of the game — in which case the Republican National Committee has rules allowing them to come up with a replacement player. ---
**Author:** ![bordelond](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bordelond/32/150_2.png) [@bordelond](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bordelond)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2024, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-wont-be-the-republican-party-nominee-in-2024/996834/692 "2024-04-23T03:30:51Z")
> [@PhillyGuy](#): > > As to him wanting to be convicted, that’s silly … Indeed — accordingly, the Salon article makes no mention of this. Quickly, the person interviewed does think Trump would like to be jailed for contempt so that he’s more readily perceived as a martyr. EDIT: The person interviewed brings up the plexiglass cage thing in much the same way - as something Trump would relish to amplify his martyr status. The speaker then makes essentially the same point you do about courtroom cages — we don’t do that here. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2024, 12:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-wont-be-the-republican-party-nominee-in-2024/996834/693 "2024-04-23T12:50:31Z")
> [@bordelond](#): > > Quickly, the person interviewed does think Trump would like to be jailed for contempt so that he’s more readily perceived as a martyr. See, people keep saying that. From the article: > It reminds me of a basketball coach who gets himself thrown out of the game to inspire the players. If Trump was put in prison for contempt that would make his followers even more enthusiastic and loyal. Would Trump actually think like this? This sort of thing requires _leadership_. It requires _sacrifice_. It requires you to be willing to leave center stage, and inspire your people from the sidelines, where they can’t even see you. Does any of that sound like Donald Trump? Has he _ever_ made a sacrifice for anything in his life? Hell, this whole mess started because he couldn’t stand not getting laid while his wife was pregnant! ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2024, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-wont-be-the-republican-party-nominee-in-2024/996834/694 "2024-04-23T13:18:09Z")
Excellent point. Any feelings of martyrdom in Trump’s mind (or ascribed to him by others) are unearned – they have nothing to do with any true martyr, who gives something up for a cause. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2024, 1:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-wont-be-the-republican-party-nominee-in-2024/996834/695 "2024-04-23T13:21:23Z")
He would love it if he could be perceived as a martyr without, y’know, doing any of the _work_ of being a martyr. ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2024, 1:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-wont-be-the-republican-party-nominee-in-2024/996834/696 "2024-04-23T13:29:37Z")
> [@Horatius](#): > > Would Trump actually think like this? This sort of thing requires _leadership_. It requires _sacrifice_. It requires you to be willing to leave center stage, and inspire your people from the sidelines, where they can’t even see you. Sure, it takes someone like a Nelson Mandela or an Alexei Nalvany to do the right thing in a repressive regime and go to prison for an extended period of time. As you say, Trump would never do that. But one of Trump’s actual talents is _showmanship_, so I think it’s entirely plausible that Trump would willingly be put in jail for a few days for contempt and play the martyr for his base and the general populace. I don’t know whether that’s the case, however. He could also just be unable to control himself in a situation in which he doesn’t have control. ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2024, 1:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-wont-be-the-republican-party-nominee-in-2024/996834/697 "2024-04-23T13:31:01Z")
He may figure that, since he’s in the situation he’s in anyway, he might as well make the most of it. Going to jail for a few days wouldn’t be too taxing… ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2024, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-wont-be-the-republican-party-nominee-in-2024/996834/698 "2024-04-23T13:32:34Z")
> [@Cervaise](#): > > He would love it if he could be perceived as a martyr without, y’know, doing any of the _work_ of being a martyr Yes, precisely. Hence all his whining on the courthouse steps. He wants you to think he’s up there with Nelson Mandela after just one week of having to sit still and be quiet. There’s no way he’s actively scheming to end up in real jail. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2024, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-wont-be-the-republican-party-nominee-in-2024/996834/699 "2024-04-23T13:33:55Z")
> [@Aeschines](#): > > …I think it’s entirely plausible that Trump would willingly be put in jail for a few days… Maybe, but I think it’s more likely he’d cry like a little boy, or like a 20-something [Mick Jagger](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Rolling_Stones%27_Redlands_bust). (BTW, I love the name of that London jail: “Wormwood Scrubs.” Sounds like a Dickens villain.) ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2024, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-wont-be-the-republican-party-nominee-in-2024/996834/700 "2024-04-23T13:35:14Z")
> [@Horatius](#): > > There’s no way he’s actively scheming to end up in real jail. It could be something more along the lines of, “I’m going to play the belligerent dick in court and push things to the limit, and if I get a bit of time in the hoosegow for contempt, no big loss.” And he may not even be _thinking_ that. Trump is a master of feeling out such situations and running on instinct. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-wont-be-the-republican-party-nominee-in-2024/996834.md?page=34) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-wont-be-the-republican-party-nominee-in-2024/996834.md?page=36)