# Trump won't be the Republican party nominee in 2024 **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [January 29, 2024, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-wont-be-the-republican-party-nominee-in-2024/996834 "2024-01-29T20:25:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 44
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2024, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-wont-be-the-republican-party-nominee-in-2024/996834/861 "2024-05-09T15:22:20Z")
One can only hope! ---
**Author:** ![flurb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/51bf81/32.png) [@flurb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flurb)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2024, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-wont-be-the-republican-party-nominee-in-2024/996834/862 "2024-05-09T15:30:04Z")
> [@Aeschines](#): > > I was hoping Barron wouldn’t become an explicit enabler of his scumbag father. Too bad for that lad! I’ve pretty strongly felt that Barron is off limits for public commentary and criticism because he’s been underage and it’s not his fault that he’s Trump’s son. The way the media and the culture treated Chelsea Clinton and the Bush twins was disgraceful. But as a legal adult, if he voluntarily makes himself a political figure then all bets are off. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2024, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-wont-be-the-republican-party-nominee-in-2024/996834/863 "2024-05-09T15:37:49Z")
> [@flurb](#): > > But as a legal adult, if he voluntarily makes himself a political figure then all bets are off. Being 18, and growing up the last few years surrounded by the sorts of people who support Trump, I wonder how deeply he might be in the whole alt-right “man-o-sphere” kind of mind set. He’s the kind of kid they’d love to get their hooks into. Time will tell if he’s smart enough to see through that. ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2024, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-wont-be-the-republican-party-nominee-in-2024/996834/864 "2024-05-09T16:14:55Z")
I was gonna give my impression of Barron, but while I’m at it, worst to best: **Junior:** Fucking dickhead bruh moron piece of shit. Self-reflection-free goon. Taste-free, like his father. The worst of the kids by far. **Eric:** LMFAO. Dweeby dumbfuck zero-IQ trash. An inept enabler of his father. **Ivanka:** Fake to the max. Fake glam, fake manner, fake facial expressions. Along with her husband, a scammer, grifter, and taker. Not a good person and a Trump enabler. The biggest waste of the kids, since she doesn’t seem like an actual idiot. **Barron:** Always seemed shlubby and out of it, but he was a kid. If he’s going to serve as a delegate now for the fascist GOP, then he too has become enabling trash. **Tiffany:** Seems dumb but, aside from appearing with her shit dad on stage, has not seemed to enable him too much. ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2024, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-wont-be-the-republican-party-nominee-in-2024/996834/865 "2024-05-09T16:17:23Z")
Oh, and, to state the obvious, Melania is a gold-digging, Trump-enabling, Eurotrash garbage human being. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2024, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-wont-be-the-republican-party-nominee-in-2024/996834/866 "2024-05-09T16:20:18Z")
Moderating: > [@Aeschines](#): > > I was gonna give my impression of Barron, but while I’m at it, worst to best: > [@Aeschines](#): > > Oh, and, to state the obvious, Melania is a gold-digging, Trump-enabling, Eurotrash garbage human being. You’re in P&E, not the Pit. Save this sort of commentary for there. Also, you’re off topic for this thread. Stop now. ---
**Author:** ![Irishman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b487fb/32.png) [@Irishman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Irishman)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2024, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-wont-be-the-republican-party-nominee-in-2024/996834/867 "2024-05-09T23:12:19Z")
> [@flurb](#): > > I just don’t think protest votes in a primary are a useful indicator of what these voters will do in the general election. For some, it can be an odd justification for voting for Trump: “Sure, I don’t like Trump. Voted against him in the primary in fact. But when it came down to him or Biden, I had to stick with my party.” Yes, too many conservatives seem willing to feed the beast because “we can’t have Biden and his liberal ways - he will ruin the country”. They like his tax policy, that he got them three justices, that he feeds their fears about brown foreigners and caters to their persecution complex. So even if they aren’t MAGA nutjobs and manage to have some awareness that Trump is a criminal, a conman, a terrible example of behavior for people to admire and emulate, and a narcissist with no empathy, they still will say, “he’s the GOP candidate, so I’ll vote for him.” We have to hope liberals do the converse. There are a lot of liberals dissatisfied with Biden, over the Palestinian situation and the continued support for Israel despite their indescriminate tactics, for his handling of the withdrawal from Afghanistan and abandonment of to the people who aided our operations at personal risk, and even for slow- walking weapons types for Ukraine. We have to hope they see the same logic - “I may not prefer Biden and I’m not enthused, but I can’t risk Trump winning.” ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2024, 7:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-wont-be-the-republican-party-nominee-in-2024/996834/868 "2024-05-10T07:00:48Z")
Kos staff article on the Haley problem: > **[Trump's problem with Haley voters is actually much, much bigger](https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2024/5/9/2239830/-Trump-s-problem-with-Haley-voters-is-actually-much-much-bigger?pm_campaign=front_page&pm_source=top_news_slot_5&pm_medium=web)** > > Donald Trump's enthusiasm problem persisted in ruby-red Indiana this week, where nearly 22% of Republican primary voters cast a ballot for a onetime presidential hopeful who dropped out of the race two full months ago: zombie candidate Nikki... ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2024, 7:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-wont-be-the-republican-party-nominee-in-2024/996834/869 "2024-05-10T07:41:47Z")
> [@Aeschines](#): > > Kos staff article on the Haley problem: > “They no longer feel at home in the party,” Drucker explained. “It wasn’t just about Trump, it was about the new people he had attracted to the party—the populist right, which has ascended within the Republican coalition.” This is why I’m hopeful. I used to vote Conservative here in Canada, and it was exactly this kind of thing that eventually drove me away from that party about 10 years ago. The GOP has a bigger hold on its voters, but even with that, at some point at least some voters will eventually realize that the party has moved on from what they actually support, as I did. It feels like these Haley voters are where I was. I actually joined the Conservative party at one point, so I could vote in the leadership contest that year. That didn’t make a difference. And it was that vote that made me finally accept that a large majority of the people voting in that leadership race fundamentally disagreed with me on almost every major policy issue. That divide has only gotten wider since then, and I can’t imagine what they could actually do to win me back as a voter. It would require them reversing decades of increasingly bad policies, which is never going to happen. ---
**Author:** ![Stratocaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stratocaster/32/16393_2.png) [@Stratocaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stratocaster)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2024, 10:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-wont-be-the-republican-party-nominee-in-2024/996834/870 "2024-05-10T10:05:34Z")
I’ll add myself as another data point. I’m 63 years old, and prior to 2016 I had never voted for a Democratic presidential candidate. I would have described myself as center right. Trump and his movement first had me jump out of the conservative circle, and next, catapulted me significantly leftward. I don’t see myself drifting back rightward. Too much self-reflection, too much soul searching, too much regret for prior positions (though I was never a frothing-at-the-mouth right winger). But I’m certain there are millions similar to me who just want a sane Republican Party again, something pre-Gingrich. A candidate who actually matches their values and doesn’t make them ashamed of their party. ---
**Author:** ![velomont](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/8491ac/32.png) [@velomont](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/velomont)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2024, 10:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-wont-be-the-republican-party-nominee-in-2024/996834/871 "2024-05-10T10:54:46Z")
> [@Horatius](#): > > Conservative here in Canada a brief hijack - and now we have mini-Trump wannabe ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2024, 11:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-wont-be-the-republican-party-nominee-in-2024/996834/872 "2024-05-10T11:04:00Z")
Exhibit #1 if why I’m probably never going back. ---
**Author:** ![velomont](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/8491ac/32.png) [@velomont](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/velomont)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2024, 11:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-wont-be-the-republican-party-nominee-in-2024/996834/873 "2024-05-10T11:05:07Z")
It’s almost-literally sickening. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2024, 11:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-wont-be-the-republican-party-nominee-in-2024/996834/874 "2024-05-10T11:08:02Z")
> [@Stratocaster](#): > > But I’m certain there are millions similar to me who just want a sane Republican Party again, something pre-Gingrich I’ve said this a dozen times — as a lifelong Democrat, I’m one of those millions, because it’s not good for the _Democrats_ to have an insane opposition. The Dems benefit — can have sounder policy positions, can avoid overreactions like “defund the police,” etc. — when the other side can counter their arguments with sane ideas. (I would still find most of the GOP ideas wrongheaded, but I’d learn something from them, and be more critical of certain Dem positions. At least the Pubs would be wrong within normal parameters, as the famous PJ O’Rourke phrase goes — though he was referring to Hillary Clinton). ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2024, 11:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-wont-be-the-republican-party-nominee-in-2024/996834/875 "2024-05-10T11:11:08Z")
The GOP has to decide how much they like Trump yet again-vote for someone who voted to impeach him, or someone who disagrees with that vote: > **[Former GOP Senate candidate challenges House Republican who voted to impeach...](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/tiffany-smiley-dan-newhouse-house-republican-voted-to-impeach-trump/)** > > Tiffany Smiley is challenging Rep. Dan Newhouse, one of the last two Republicans in the House who voted to impeach Trump. ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2024, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-wont-be-the-republican-party-nominee-in-2024/996834/876 "2024-05-11T02:44:27Z")
While I still think Trump will be the GOP nominee, he lost a delegate a few hours ago: [Barron Trump Will Not Be a Delegate at the G.O.P. Convention After All](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/10/us/politics/barron-trump-gop-convention.html?unlocked_article_code=1.rE0.Hu4a.CLTv0S8P7Rnu&smid=url-share) > [@](#): > > In a statement released two days after Barron, 18, was [selected to be an at-large delegate by the Florida Republican Party](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/09/us/politics/barron-trump-gop-national-convention.html), Mrs. Trump’s office said that Barron was “honored” to be chosen but that he “regretfully declines to participate due to prior commitments.” . . . > > Hours before Mrs. Trump’s office released its statement, Mr. Trump suggested in a radio interview that Barron, whom he called “good-looking” and “on the tall side,” was among his political advisers. > > “He’s really been a great student. And he does like politics,” Mr. Trump said on [Talk Radio 1210 WPHT](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qU5EDho3qs) in Philadelphia. “It’s sort of funny. He’ll tell me sometimes, ‘Dad, this is what you have to do.’” ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2024, 9:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-wont-be-the-republican-party-nominee-in-2024/996834/877 "2024-05-11T09:31:44Z")
> [@Horatius](#): > > It’s be hilarious if he became a faithless delegate, and voted for Haley, or someone else. Okay, it’s not quite so funny as that, but I’ll take it: > **[Trump's youngest son Barron 'declines' to be RNC delegate, his mother Melania...](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-68992293)** > > The former US president's youngest child, 18, has "prior commitments", according to his mother. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2024, 10:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-wont-be-the-republican-party-nominee-in-2024/996834/878 "2024-05-11T10:09:24Z")
The safe bet is, dad tried to make it happen without really caring about the son’s wishes, and mom intervened. What a nice healthy family. ---
**Author:** ![Stratocaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stratocaster/32/16393_2.png) [@Stratocaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stratocaster)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2024, 10:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-wont-be-the-republican-party-nominee-in-2024/996834/879 "2024-05-11T10:20:38Z")
That was my gut read as well. ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2024, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-wont-be-the-republican-party-nominee-in-2024/996834/880 "2024-05-11T15:26:35Z")
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