# Trump, you're making it hard to support you with these wiretap/vote fraud claims! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 4, 2017, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388 "2017-03-04T16:07:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2017, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/181 "2017-03-06T00:56:19Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > how is that “bigotry?” Liberals have forgotten why “discrimination” is wrong; discrimination is only supposed to be “wrong” against things one cannot control: THAT’s why its considered wrong to discriminate against people because of their race, disabled people, and height should be there. > > Look up “discrimination” in the [dictionary](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/discrimination): > thus when people talk about discrimination, it tends to be implied that its “racial/ethnic discrimination.” But discrimination without the implied qualifier could also relate to grade discrimination (like grades to get into a school, a job), etc. In the same vein, just as one can discriminate on the basis of grades, one can do so on the basis of weight. That being said; religion is usually included in the kinds of discrimination that is wrong because one’s religion is usually determined by his parents; however, because one can change his religion at 18, I don’t see why lowering immigration of religions that inspire the most terror around the globe, or fake scam religions, would be wrong. God you’re an idiot. Discrimination isn’t wrong just because it harms people who didn’t make a choice, but it’s wrong also because it _fucking harms people who have made a choice that doesn’t harm anyone else_. Being gay hurts no one, whether or not it’s a choice (and it’s not). Being trans hurts no one, whether or not it’s a choice (and it’s not a choice either – _do you insist you made a choice to be a man in a male body_?). Being fat hurts no one, whether or not it’s a choice. It doesn’t matter if these things are choices or not. These characteristics harm no one. Fat people can be just as smart, hard working, and decent as people who aren’t fat, you bigoted lying coward. Being a hateful bigoted person like you, on the other hand, hurts a lot of people. Stop being such a lying, cowardly, bigoted scumbag. Maybe then you’ll actually meet some women who will find you attractive. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2017, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/182 "2017-03-06T01:14:45Z")
I do wish to note, you have to be particularly bad for **iiandyiiii** to respond to you in this manner, and be completely dismissive of anything you have to say. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2017, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/183 "2017-03-06T01:22:33Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > how is that “bigotry?” Liberals have forgotten why “discrimination” is wrong; discrimination is only supposed to be “wrong” against things one cannot control: THAT’s why its considered wrong to discriminate against people because of their race, disabled people, and height should be there. Height above or below a certain range only disqualifies you in our society from things requiring particular physical abilities proportional to body size, such as enlisting in the military or being astronaut crew (and so does excessie obesity FWIW) or being a basketball player or gymnast. Any “discrimination” against the short is of the cultural sort and comes under the umbrella of “Body Shaming” together with everyone else who does not conform to the media-propagated “standard of beauty”, so YES you \*are \*an ally to the fat, the bald, the big-footed, the short-fingered, and the plain ugly. That notwhitstanding that, even in afully egalitarian society nobody is \*entitled \*to be considered hot dating material by hotties of your preferred sex and gender alignment, and \*they \*can pick and choose who they’ll have sex with entirely at will with no need to justify it to you, is just the fuckin’ way life is. Get over it like most of us have. It gives \*you \*in turn the right to reject anyone \*you \*wish to reject. But you do not get to insult them and proclaim your revulsion without getting pushback. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2017, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/184 "2017-03-06T01:33:57Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > \no I said that one disadvantage for promoting trannyism is that the situation[…]?\ No one’s promoting “trannyism.” What we’re doing is promoting the idea of _acceptance_ of the transgender population. No one is trying to convert you from hetero/cis into being transgendered. We’re trying to get you to realize that, just like gay/lesbian/tall/short/left handed people, the transgender population is made up of human beings. They just want the same rights the rest of us enjoy, they want there to not exist a stigma attached to them. And more than anything, they want people to just leave them alone to live their lives. Is that really such a burden on you? ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2017, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/185 "2017-03-06T01:35:07Z")
Randy Newman was so right. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2017, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/186 "2017-03-06T01:43:56Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > no I said that one disadvantage for promoting trannyism is… > > … > > It seems like the reason for the left’s not caring about involunarily short men but voluntarily fat chicks and tranny “women” is because of hatred of men on the part of the left/feminism. > > Also, what about the “cis” girls who would have to compete against born-men/trannys whose parents know they can’t cut it vs men so they turn them into women to get college scholarships? [Moderating] You already have one warning for using the word “tranny.” Now you’ve got a second. I’ll be discussing with the other mods whether it’s worth letting you stick around long enough to see if you go for three. [/Moderating] ---
**Author:** ![EinsteinsHund](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/einsteinshund/32/8400_2.png) [@EinsteinsHund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EinsteinsHund)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2017, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/187 "2017-03-06T02:02:13Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > Randy Newman was so right. Randy Newman was ALWAYS right (remember “[We’re rednecks, rednecks, and we don’t know our ass from a hole in the ground](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o80BB0qZoVM)”? How that does that fit today!), but what special song are you alluding to? ETA: Ooooh, I see, “Short People” (hangs head in shame) ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2017, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/188 "2017-03-06T02:03:47Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > discrimination is only supposed to be “wrong” against things one cannot control […] religion is usually included in the kinds of discrimination that is wrong because one’s religion is usually determined by his parents […] That’s absolute bullshit. Discrimination on the basis of religion is considered wrong because people are supposed to have **freedom** of religion. Nothing to do with religious affiliation being somehow involuntary. Likewise, it’s wrong to discriminate against people who identify as black **even if they could pass for white**. It’s wrong to discriminate against people in same-sex relationships **even if they are bisexuals who could be happy in a heterosexual relationship**. In the same way, it is wrong to discriminate against people because of their appearance (except where appearance is genuinely relevant to the situation) **even if that aspect of their appearance is something they could change**. Fat people, old people, ugly people, short people, bald people, whoever: the issue is not their limitations but their rights. As a short person, you are entitled to be treated with dignity and respect irrespective of the fact that you didn’t choose to be short. (As a bigoted asshole, of course, you’re entitled to a lot less dignity and respect.) ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2017, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/189 "2017-03-06T02:04:46Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > [Moderating] > You already have one warning for using the word “tranny.” Now you’ve got a second. > > I’ll be discussing with the other mods whether it’s worth letting you stick around long enough to see if you go for three. > [/Moderating] You just know he’s going to whine about how you folks are not really moderate; you’re just a gang of libs. In this case he’ll be correct as you’ll be liberating the TM! ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2017, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/190 "2017-03-06T02:58:12Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > That being said; religion is usually included in the kinds of discrimination that is wrong because one’s religion is usually determined by his parents; however, because one can change his religion at 18, I don’t see why lowering immigration of religions that inspire the most terror around the globe, or fake scam religions, would be wrong. The part of this post that I didn’t quote is stupid and wrong, but I wanted to highlight this part to say that the poster clearly does not know why in America it is wrong to discriminate against religions. ---
**Author:** ![Enter\_the\_Flagon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b9bd4f/32.png) [@Enter\_the\_Flagon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enter_the_Flagon)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2017, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/191 "2017-03-06T03:23:43Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > I like President Donald J. Trump’s masculism, …his opposition to sexual communism… Well, if you prefer sexual capitalism then you found the right POTUS, 'cause while he’ll be getting paid, you’ll be getting fucked. ---
**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2017, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/192 "2017-03-06T03:55:14Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > you’ve likened an involuntary trait (height) with a nearly entirely voluntary one (obesity); one can avoid the latter if he/she does something (diet, work out) but one cannot avoid the former at all by any means. You could learn to walk on stilts. Or get a job on a bathysphere. Be a little more creative. ---
**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2017, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/193 "2017-03-06T03:57:05Z")
> [@Hey\_Hey\_Paula](#): > > I really don’t understand how anyone sees Donald Trump as “masculine.” He’s a pudgy pear-shaped old man with the hairstyle of an old lady, complete with (occasional) bobby pins and (always) too much hair spray. Us masculine manly he-man macho types know how to tie our neckties, also. It does not involve the use of Scotch tape. ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2017, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/194 "2017-03-06T04:32:39Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > That being said; religion is usually included in the kinds of discrimination that is wrong because one’s religion is usually determined by his parents; however, because one can change his religion at 18, I don’t see why lowering immigration of religions that inspire the most terror around the globe, or fake scam religions, would be wrong. Do whaaaaaaat? You can change religion at any time. Are you sure you’re not confusing that with age to see R-rated movies? Do you have limited contact with the outside world or something? ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2017, 4:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/195 "2017-03-06T04:34:58Z")
> [@Knowed\_Out](#): > > Do whaaaaaaat? You can change religion at any time. I think what **DerekMichaels00** was muzzily trying to get at was the notion that when one is a legal adult, one can be considered effectively responsible for one’s own religious self-identification. Not that it makes any difference to the overall shittiness of his “argument”, mind you. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2017, 4:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/196 "2017-03-06T04:44:45Z")
> [@beowulff](#): > > I’m a short(er) (5’7”), bald guy, and I recognize that those two characteristics are not generally considered attractive. Some of us like 'em, and not in any kind of “settling for less” way, either. Of course, now that short stature in males is inextricably associated in my mind with **DerekMichaels00** , it’s a hell of a lot less appealing. In fact, the real tragedy here is not that short stature is diminishing the appeal of **DerekMichaels00** , who would probably be an unlikeable spiteful asshole no matter how tall he was, but that association with **DerekMichaels00** is diminishing the appeal of short men in general. Fortunately, the odds are good that he won’t be able to resist saying “tranny” in his posts and soon will no longer be around to keep tarnishing the image of better men than himself. ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2017, 4:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/197 "2017-03-06T04:51:41Z")
> [@Ukulele\_Ike](#): > > Us masculine manly he-man macho types know how to tie our neckties, also. It does not involve the use of Scotch tape. Anyone who thinks donald is masculine needs to check out Sassy Trump [https://www.youtube.com/results?search\_query=sassy+trump](https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=sassy+trump) It’s all his words, and gestures. Enjoy! ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2017, 4:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/198 "2017-03-06T04:59:15Z")
> [@JRDelirious](#): > > **Derek** , _nobody wants you to fuck a fat transchick_. Least of all, the “fat transchick”! ---
**Author:** ![DerekMichaels00](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f14d63/32.png) [@DerekMichaels00](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DerekMichaels00)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2017, 5:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/199 "2017-03-06T05:44:53Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > In fact, the real tragedy here is not that short stature is diminishing the appeal of **DerekMichaels00** , who would probably be an unlikeable spiteful asshole no matter how tall he was, but that association with **DerekMichaels00** is diminishing the appeal of short men in general. why do I get the feeling that if someone said this about, say, black people, they’d get pilloried with “racist” epithets? ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2017, 5:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/200 "2017-03-06T05:53:20Z")
Why are you so hysterical over the idea that someone might “suggest” you date a trans chick? It’s just that: a suggestion. It’s not a command. You’re not automatically obligated to do so. Date whoever the fuck you want. And anyways: you’re not owed a date with ANYONE, fat/skinny, attractive/ugly, cis/trans. Nobody is. Forget trans chicks or fat chicks, I suggest you just go out and get yourself a Real Doll. I’m sure she won’t care how short you are. (Nor do the rest of us – shut the fuck up about it already) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388.md?page=11)